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WickedHate posted:Yeah, but Burton's Batman also set random mooks on fire and smiled as they horribly burned to death. Just as much a gross mischaracterization. More people saw the 1989 Batman film than have read Batman comics and that makes it the prevalent version of Batman.
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Rhyno posted:More people saw the 1989 Batman film than have read Batman comics and that makes it the prevalent version of Batman. More people have seen the Nolan Batman films at this point and it's much fresher in people's minds. I like the Burton Batman better myself but I really doubt it's still the prevalent version of Batman to the general public.
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Jul 11, 2016 18:14
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Well, they probably would be to people who watched it as a kid and have their definition of Batman come from it.
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Jul 11, 2016 18:16
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Travis343 posted:More people have seen the Nolan Batman films at this point and it's much fresher in people's minds. That Batman let Liam Neeson die so in the public mind he's a murderer. I can go on and on, I've had to endure these stupid arguments at the store for years.
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Jul 11, 2016 18:17
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Rhyno posted:That Batman let Liam Neeson die so in the public mind he's a murderer. The literal line of dialog is "I'm not going to kill you, but I don't have to save you." It's probably the single most memorable line from Begins, the one that explicitly states that Batman doesn't kill.
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Jul 11, 2016 18:23
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Toxxupation posted:The literal line of dialog is "I'm not going to kill you, but I don't have to save you." It's probably the single most memorable line from Begins, the one that explicitly states that Batman doesn't kill. Read the second half of my post. I'm clearly not being serious.
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Jul 11, 2016 18:24
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You can say that before shooting someone too, doesn't make them less dead.
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Jul 11, 2016 18:24
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Aphrodite posted:You can say that before shooting someone too, doesn't make them less dead. I'm not going to kill you, but I don't have to to pull you out of the way of my bullets.
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Jul 11, 2016 18:28
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Like by any interpretation, Batman murdered the hell out of Ra's. He's just justifying it to himself, because he needs to.
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Jul 11, 2016 18:29
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Rhyno posted:Read the second half of my post. I'm clearly not being serious. Oh I misunderstood the post, I thought you were expressing the argument-ending bon mot over portraying how that dumb argument always spins up.
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Jul 11, 2016 18:32
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Aphrodite posted:You can say that before shooting someone too, doesn't make them less dead. Except the entirety of the train thing was a weapon of Ra's design backfiring on him and killing him. Your analogy fails centrally. I actually agree that Batman not going out of his way to save Ra's is a character move that's against his best possible characterization (saving everyone he can under every possible circumstance no matter what, preventing all crimes no matter how small and caring for his enemies no matter how indefensible they are), but he didn't kill Ra's. He neglected to save Ra's from himself, which bears a certain level of responsibility but by any measurement isn't "killing" them.
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Jul 11, 2016 18:37
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"When you think about it laterally, this car accident is kind of like you turning your car into a weapon, ergo"
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Jul 11, 2016 18:41
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It's just a monorail until Gordon destroys the tracks, after Batman showed him how.
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Jul 11, 2016 18:54
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In the comics, Bruce fired Azrael's rear end for doing something similar. Just sayin'.
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Jul 11, 2016 23:15
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Reminder Batman locked KGBeast in a dungeon with no way out, Magneto style. Edit: yeah 20 issues later he told Nightwing he'd informed the cops but that's a retcon and y'all know it Emo Szyslak fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Jul 11, 2016 |
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Jul 11, 2016 23:30
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Batman totally killed Ra's in begins. Also my phone's autocorrect apparently knows Ra's is a name
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Jul 12, 2016 00:11
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When Talia accuses Batman of murdering Ra's he just says "yeah, he was going to destroy the city".
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Jul 12, 2016 02:45
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I've been forced to accept that movie Batman will always be more comfortable with killing (directly or indirectly,) than comic book Batman. I'm never going to be comfortable with it, but I doubt it'll ever change. Something about movies seems to make it inevitable.
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Jul 12, 2016 05:11
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At least with Nolan Batman you can make the argument that when he lets Ra's die it's a deliberate authorial choice to show that he's not yet the fully-formed Batman, because at the end of Dark Knight he's faced with the same situation with the Joker and goes way out of his way to save Joker's life.
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Jul 12, 2016 06:01
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I wish I had more of a backbone on Tumblr. There's this creepy guy who started following both my blogs that said that people should be objectified and sexualized, and I just can't get the willpower to just block him and be done with it.
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Jul 12, 2016 06:28
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Roth posted:I wish I had more of a backbone on Tumblr. P. cool that you're getting shitposts from the late Gene Roddenberry, though.
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Jul 12, 2016 06:34
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Squizzle posted:P. cool that you're getting shitposts from the late Gene Roddenberry, though. Oh I wish that were the case.
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Jul 12, 2016 07:11
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Is he actively responding to your stuff or just following it? Personally I'm okay if lovely people want to follow my stuff as long as they're not spammers or whatever, but if he's actively making your stuff shittier then you should block block block!
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Jul 12, 2016 13:33
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Sometimes blocking people is the only option.
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Lurdiak posted:Sometimes blocking people is the only option. There is. Lot to unpack here.
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Chaos Hippy posted:I've been forced to accept that movie Batman will always be more comfortable with killing (directly or indirectly,) than comic book Batman. I'm never going to be comfortable with it, but I doubt it'll ever change. Something about movies seems to make it inevitable. It helps that movies are episodic before reboots so they don't have to come up with the excuse to keep villains around. There's also something about the action movie DNA-I think there was an article on ComicsAlliance that talked about it. Roth posted:I wish I had more of a backbone on Tumblr. Do it impulsively without thinking. lovely people don't deserve you. Mr Hootington posted:There is. Lot to unpack here.  You got that right. Jesus.
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Jul 12, 2016 15:25
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My brother and sister in law just gave birth to a baby boy. How early is too early to get a kid into comics?
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Jul 12, 2016 19:32
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You haven't already been reading it comics in the womb? Shame.
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Jul 12, 2016 19:38
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Buy him toys of comic characters so he learns to love them before he can even read.
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Endless Mike posted:Is he actively responding to your stuff or just following it? Personally I'm okay if lovely people want to follow my stuff as long as they're not spammers or whatever, but if he's actively making your stuff shittier then you should block block block! I just kinda ignore them for the most part while occasionally wondering if I should block them before they become an actual problem. I guess at that point I wouldn't feel so bad about it. Madkal posted:My brother and sister in law just gave birth to a baby boy. How early is too early to get a kid into comics? Either go hard and start them off with Grant Morrison's run on Doom Patrol, or don't even bother.
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As soon as the kid is old enough to handle a crayon (which is super-early, if it's someone else's kid [other people's children always seem to age faster]), play with them by drawing multiple pictures to make a story. I don't know if this helped or just made me feel good, but I stripped my drawings down to stick figures and basic shapes at flat angles, with the children. I slowly ramped up the complexity as they got older and more competent, so that, in my mind, the level of skill I was using would feel within the child's grasp. It's super important to me that they feel encouraged to at least try, and not dunking on them artistically seemed like it might help. Also, a loooot of children's books use the artistic language of comics. Start pointing out dialogue balloons, and say that the pointy part, that tail, points to the person who is saying those things. There's a book, Night Night, Cuddly Bear—an insipid garbage tome, but what can you do—that has a story-within-the-story depicted with a page of actual (wordless) comics panels. Just point out "panel" and "gutter", then "read"/narrate the panels to tell a story. Get the kid to join in. A lot of getting a small child interested in a thing, is helping them get to a place where they feel they understand it enough. Small children love predictability, stability, and a sense of control and accomplishment. Any time they don't feel helpless, unfamiliar with the world, and lacking authority—they're having a good Kid Moment. Make comics comfortable, even if it's just by teaching them enough basic terms that they feel like they've been initiated into some Special Grown-up Knowledge, and you've made them at least for now a comics fan. Also, read comics in front of them. Like, all the time. Call them over and ask them questions about what's happening on the page as you read. You can start building a kiddo's love of comics very, very early, is what I'm saying.
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Jul 12, 2016 20:06
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When they're about 8, what you want to do is buy the whole family a night out at the movies. Then you get yourself a mask, and wait in an alley nearby.
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Jul 12, 2016 20:21
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Hickmans F4/FF/Avengers and New Avengers/SW saga should get the child in
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Jul 12, 2016 20:44
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I take my kids to the comic shop all the time. The $0.25 bin is a god-send.
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Jul 12, 2016 20:57
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Ferrule posted:I take my kids to the comic shop all the time. The $0.25 bin is a god-send. Good call, but the last time I took my nieces in they tried to get about 60 dollars each worth in graphic novels of various qualities. After that it has been amazon orders all the way.
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Jul 12, 2016 21:05
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I think a good alternative would be to introduce them to the character through animated adaptations. Might make them interested in checking out the source material if they're already familiar with the characters in some form.
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Roth posted:I think a good alternative would be to introduce them to the character through animated adaptations. Might make them interested in checking out the source material if they're already familiar with the characters in some form. Could lead to turning them off comics forever in case of any future Starfire incidents, though. Or it could be worse: Imagine being a kid who likes Speedy a lot so someone grabs you Rise of Arsenal.
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Roth posted:I think a good alternative would be to introduce them to the character through animated adaptations. Might make them interested in checking out the source material if they're already familiar with the characters in some form. Funny thing is that with my nieces I got them season 1 of Teen Titans and they were in love with that show. They pretty much watched it every day. Would never get them any of the comics though. Been buying them mostly Archie stuff and Gotham Academy. The oldest (10) is reading Ms. Marvel at the moment but it is kind of hard to gauge how into it she is.
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Jul 12, 2016 22:21
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The Teen Titans comics are definitely not for younger kids. I find it funny that the show was apparently pitched as a Young Justice adaptation at first, and adapted the way more serious Teen Titans comics. Then the actual Young Justice show adapted the more silly comic series with a far more serious tone.
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Madkal posted:My brother and sister in law just gave birth to a baby boy. How early is too early to get a kid into comics? If they haven't become jaded and cynical over how bad modern comics are by the time they can walk, you've failed as an aunt/uncle. E: more helpful answer, cartoons are a great start, not just comic book adaptations but stuff like old Powerpuff Girls and other shperhero-y stuff. Ideally they should be able to read before you give them a comic book. burnishedfume fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Jul 12, 2016 |
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