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The shed or the Scrail? I love that someone designed a screw-nail hybrid for people who are smart enough to know they are going to gently caress up before they swing the hammer, yet dumb enough to swing it anyway.
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Jul 11, 2016 20:32
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BattleMaster posted:There are people only learning about wood screws now? There are screws made of wood?!
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GreenNight posted:There are screws made of wood?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaLR4p3StCQ
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Jul 11, 2016 20:49
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High Lord Elbow posted:The shed or the Scrail? I love that someone designed a screw-nail hybrid for people who are smart enough to know they are going to gently caress up before they swing the hammer, yet dumb enough to swing it anyway.
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Jul 11, 2016 21:11
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stealie72 posted:They're kind of an answer to a question nobody asked, but if they were price competitive-ish with nails, and didn't suck, I'd use them. Makes it easier to modify/reuse/whatever later. I'm not so much thinking for inside-the-wall framing as decks, railings, etc. Yeah, I can see the use for scrails, as goofy as they sound. Sometimes you just gently caress up a nail and want a do-over without having to get out a prybar (which can gently caress up whatever material it is you're trying to fasten). But you may not want to deal with driving screws all the time. Still, given the price differential I'll probably just stick with picking the right fastener a priori.
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Here's a crappy construction tale I just encountered in my own home, which was built sometime in the 50's. It's got great structure, location, and lot, but it hasn't been kept up-to-date, so we're slowly lurching from one big remodeling effort to the next. Right now we are turning what used to be an apartment for a live-in maid into a bedroom. I pulled up a corner of the horrid decades-old carpet and found beautiful original hardwood in great shape (aside from a row of staples down the middle of the room). "Great!" I thought. We tear up the carpet, do a little touch-up, and have the floor we want!" No. As I said, the room was an apartment at one point. They knocked out a wall when they remodeled it in the 80's and carpeted the resulting huge room to hide the place in the middle where a wall once stood. Turns out that the beautiful hardwood was only in the bedroom. The kitchenette side of things has glittery asbestos-filled (probably) linoleum-like sheeting. So new floors throughout. drat. But okay. That's not the cherry on this poo poo-cake though. At some point after the 80's remodel, they decided this big room needed not one, not two, but THREE phone jacks. So did they do the simple thing and drop phone line from the convenient attic right above? Hahahaha, no. They pulled up the carpet and used a loving router to carve half-inch channels in meandering drunk-snake paths across the room, willy-nilly, to and fro. Right through the pretty hardwood, right through the linoleum sheeting, from one wall to the next and back again, then stuffed phone cord into these channels and popes it up along the baseboards where they put little plastic outlet boxes. Fuckers. I hope they snorted every particle of the aerosol asbestos that router kicked up.
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Jul 11, 2016 23:03
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High Lord Elbow posted:They pulled up the carpet and used a loving router to carve half-inch channels in meandering drunk-snake paths across the room, willy-nilly, to and fro. Right through the pretty hardwood, right through the linoleum sheeting, from one wall to the next and back again, then stuffed phone cord into these channels and popes it up along the baseboards where they put little plastic outlet boxes.
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High Lord Elbow posted:They pulled up the carpet and used a loving router to carve half-inch channels in meandering drunk-snake paths across the room, willy-nilly, to and fro. Right through the pretty hardwood, right through the linoleum sheeting, from one wall to the next and back again, then stuffed phone cord into these channels and popes it up along the baseboards where they put little plastic outlet boxes. Holy poo poo. That's like "slash your seats and smash the windshield while stealing your stereo" level evil.
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High Lord Elbow posted:
Humor solution: get long strings of LED lights, embed them in the router tracks with liquid plastic, sand it flat and refinish the floors as usual. Sync the lights to music or whatever, blow away the hoi polloi with your genius.
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Fill the voids with blue resin and make it a river map.
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Those ideas are pure genius if I want a half hardwood half glittery linoleum floor with special effects! As requested, here is the schadenfreude porn: http://m.imgur.com/uukKodn,3dxhiIB,XdlzsOk
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High Lord Elbow posted:Those ideas are pure genius if I want a half hardwood half glittery linoleum floor with special effects!    I'll mark it off and at least make the lines straight aw fuckit let's go as the crow flies  Anagram of GINGER fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Jul 12, 2016 |
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Jul 12, 2016 00:57
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kid sinister posted:Yet another "How Not to Build a Shed"! This makes me feel better about everything I have ever done.
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Can you track down who did this and beat them up?
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Nitrox posted:Here is a Russian motion sensor. That's actually pretty ingenious. canyoneer posted:"Waste Water Nipple" and "Huge Plastic Bell End" would be pretty good usernames. Or band names. kid sinister posted:Yet another "How Not to Build a Shed"! Wasn't that the shed from way back at the beginning of this thread? I'm not sure, but I think there might have been a little sarcasm in that video. crabcakes66 posted:This makes me feel better about everything I have ever done. This. I've done some, "well, gently caress it" things, but nothing at this level.
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High Lord Elbow posted:Those ideas are pure genius if I want a half hardwood half glittery linoleum floor with special effects! It's worse than I imagined. Good Lord.
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Nitrox posted:Paved? What paved? It is traditional Russian quilt, comrade. I can only see the skill required to bend that big a piece of wire that neatly and get it all correct. This was an ingenious low-tech solution to a problem.
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Jul 12, 2016 02:50
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This was on a commercial job..... My own people did this to me! https://imgur.com/a/O8wyG
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morethanjake32 posted:This was on a commercial job..... My own people did this to me! https://imgur.com/a/O8wyG So what's not plumb here, the floor or the wall?
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morethanjake32 posted:This was on a commercial job..... My own people did this to me! https://imgur.com/a/O8wyG Is there supposed to be five adjacent studs there?
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A single 1x4 is weak, but together, a bundle of 1x4s can bear the load.
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Isn't that literally how laminated wood works?
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Laminated wood is a bunch of layers bonded to each other. A bunch of sistered boards without proper fastening is like a bunch of sheets of paper standing on end. Laminated wood is like taking those sheets and dipping them in epoxy.
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Geirskogul posted:Laminated wood is a bunch of layers bonded to each other. A bunch of sistered boards without proper fastening is like a bunch of sheets of paper standing on end. Laminated wood is like taking those sheets and dipping them in epoxy. This. Also, the major issue is the jack studs on the left hand side of the picture, notice that they are pressure treated on the bottom and std studs after about 16". The installer was right to have pressure treated wood on the concrete, but that's about all they got right. In no way should the studs holding up that header ( undersized by the way) ever be more than one vertical piece of wood. It's still not right though, because the studs are not really on a sill, there is nothing but downforce and 300 or so nails holding the 5 studs together to prevent the studs from moving. I'll see if I have the picture of the equally awesome metal stud hack adjacent to this.
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http://imgur.com/jJlIOc4 Found it. Look at the metal header upper right hand near the drywall: that is a 1.5" tab front and back with two screws holding it into a single stud. No, stop, do not pass go. Should be a double full height stud, usually with an angle bracket from the header to the inside stud for shear support. All this on a load bearing metal stud wall 20' tall.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Is there supposed to be five adjacent studs there? Yes. That's a pocket door frame you are looking at. You frame a massive opening so the door has somewhere to go.
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High Lord Elbow posted:A single 1x4 is weak, but together, a bundle of 1x4s can bear the load. If they'd been bolted together would it have made a difference, because I stayed in a beach house last weekend which had knocked out all the walls on the first floor and left the house supported by a bundle of 2x10s serving as a 20ft beam.
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NancyPants posted:I looked at that whole thing but I still can't believe it exists. Give it six months or one good windstorm and it won't.
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Geomancing posted:Give it six months or one good windstorm and it won't. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if you could knock it down with one good kick.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if you could knock it down with one good kick. That's not really fair, don't you think? I mean, would the kick really need to be good?
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Bad Munki posted:That's not really fair, don't you think? One Apathetic Nudge: You'll Never Believe The Secret Of These Shed Destroyers!
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I still want to know how he got on top of it to shingle it. I'm imagining a human keystone situation but that begs the question of how did he have a free hand? Did he do it all from a ladder?
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NancyPants posted:I still want to know how he got on top of it to shingle it. I'm imagining a human keystone situation but that begs the question of how did he have a free hand? Did he do it all from a ladder? Dump a bucket of glue on the roof boards, then throw shingles onto it
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I'm going to guess he stood safely on the ground and just threw the shingles up and hoped for the best. Would be right in line with the rest of the construction, anyhow.
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Bad Munki posted:Oh, cool. I lived in Norwalk four years ago, now we're heading back. Van Meter this time. I just moved out of Norwalk to go live in Ankeny. The Norwalk house could go in here as one of the support beams is held up by shims! thanks quick build housing!
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TyrsHTML posted:I just moved out of Norwalk to go live in Ankeny. The Norwalk house could go in here as one of the support beams is held up by shims! thanks quick build housing! I pray I don't end up posting my new house in here. It seems pretty good and I think the guy tended to hire contractors to do anything at all, and it's new and only had the one owner, but still... 
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Bad Munki posted:I pray I don't end up posting my new house in here. It seems pretty good and I think the guy tended to hire contractors to do anything at all, and it's new and only had the one owner, but still... The Inspection went amazingly for my new house so good luck on yours!. I was very happy to not have anything to post here. This thread was great for me to have a bunch of questions to ask, so thanks thread!
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Geomancing posted:Give it six months or one good windstorm and it won't. IIRC, the pictures originally come from a Vancouver motorcycling forum or something like that. I'd be less worried about the windstorms than I would be about the 175 days of rain we get every year and the swampy marshland he built the thing on top of.
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Dillbag posted:IIRC, the pictures originally come from a Vancouver motorcycling forum or something like that. I'd be less worried about the windstorms than I would be about the 175 days of rain we get every year and the swampy marshland he built the thing on top of. With no foundation. Bare untreated wood directly on the ground.
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