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Rhyno posted:Someone took "dress uniform" a little too seriously. Some people look good in a dress.
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Apollodorus posted:Some people look good in a dress. I don't have the butt for it.
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http://movieweb.com/star-trek-beyond-preview-villain-krall/quote:Idris Elba revealed in this featurette, which comes courtesy of YouTube, that he felt like he was "destroying a legacy" by watching the U.S.S. Enterprise "crash and burn." When this rebooted franchise started, the Enterprise ship was NCC-1701, and not the original NX-01 from the original TV series. During an interview from April, Simon Pegg made reference to an NX ship, and since we've seen the NCC-1701 ship get destroyed in posters and footage, many believe that the U.S.S. Enterprise crew will transition to the NX-01 ship at some point during Star Trek Beyond, to pay homage to the iconic original series. Man, someone really skimmed the wiki article.
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Timby posted:If you want to read something incredibly in-depth about TMP's production -- I mean so in-depth it makes the Cinefex articles look like broad abstracts -- pick up Return to Tomorrow: The Production of Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Preston Neal Jones was given unfettered access to everyone involved, and the book covers literally everything: Pre-production and writing, filming, and the third section is like 100+ pages of ultra-detailed information about all the VFX work. Like, there will be six paragraphs about how a single two-second shot was accomplished. It was originally intended as a cover story for CFQ, they killed the story, and then last year Jones decided to release his entire manuscript. I'm kind of really into this, both for the behind-the-scenes slow motion trainwreck and out of awe for Douglas Trumbull's genius and work ethic. Thanks!
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I watched The Lights of Zetar tonight for the first time in like ten years and holy poo poo was that a miserable slog.
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Up The Long Ladder is definitely one of the worst episodes of Star Trek. Here's a colony that has only been able to survive via cloning, but now they need new genetic material. The crew adamantly refuses to donate any of theirs because...? So they have to take drastic measures and forcibly take some material from Riker and Pulaski. Kind of a dick move, but understandable given the dire circumstances. But then Riker decides that the best course of action is to murder their clones in cold blood. And that's not even mentioning the Space Irish.
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Jul 13, 2016 07:54
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It's definitely a good example of TNG writers not really thinking things through all the way, but given that those clones were never even conscious I'm not really sure how murder-y the whole thing was. I'd say it's more like they aborted their rape babies.
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Jul 13, 2016 08:06
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I like the episode where Picard just straight murders himself from the future.
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Jul 13, 2016 08:09
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A Romulan and Geordi indirectly kinda-sorta-not-really address the abortion issue by way of blindness: "How did this happen?" "I was born that way." "And your parents let you live?" "What kind of question is that? Of course they let me live!" "No wonder your race is weak. You waste time and resources on defective children."e: Why yes, I do think kind looks kind of vaguely Vulcan/Romulan.
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Speaking of Romulans, I loving love TNG-era warbirds. They might be my favorite spaceship in anything.
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Paradoxish posted:It's definitely a good example of TNG writers not really thinking things through all the way, but given that those clones were never even conscious I'm not really sure how murder-y the whole thing was. I'd say it's more like they aborted their rape babies.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I watched The Lights of Zetar tonight for the first time in like ten years and holy poo poo was that a miserable slog. This episode used to scare the poo poo out of me when I was a kid, especially the scenes on Memory Alpha. I do think the gargling noises and technicolor face is a good effect. I still feel the first half of the episode is a pretty effective slow build horror story that falls apart once they find out what's going on. The plot would probably have been better served by either not revealing the Lights' true nature, so they're just an inscrutable, must-be-destroyed force like the doomsday machine, amoeba from Immunity Syndrome, etc.; or alternatively, if it did reveal that they're just talky godlike energy beings trying to find some way to keep everyone happy. The Lights are assholes, but if you're going to the trouble of making them aliens that can be talked to and reasoned with, then what's the point in giving them such a convoluted motivation as "we exist as pure energy and have abandoned physical forms, except this lady's, hers is pretty hot I guess, let's just erase her mind and take it. No we aren't prepared to discuss this or find someone else to live inside." And these guys can't take ten minutes in a pressure chamber? Weak rear end poo poo for a godlike energy being if you ask me. Also Scotty's crush on Lt Might Die is terrifically boring (contrast Who Mourns for Adonais) because there's no emotional resonance to getting your girlfriend stolen from you by a light show. So the basic concept is okay, but strictly turd season otherwise.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It still boggles my mind that they couldn't be bothered to have consistent uniforms either....rather than get a whole new set of the DS9 version uniforms, they had like half TNG ones and half DS9. So lazy. Well if you want another "in-universe" reason, Starfleet isn't a "military", and even in the modern military there are often options about how and which uniform to wear that are at the discretion of the individual outside of specific duties or formations/parades, beyond just stuff getting phased out. When I was an air force media guy I could wear the camouflage pajamas or the blue polyester suit pretty much at my discretion most of the time.
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Otisburg posted:Well if you want another "in-universe" reason, Starfleet isn't a "military", and even in the modern military there are often options about how and which uniform to wear that are at the discretion of the individual outside of specific duties or formations/parades, beyond just stuff getting phased out. When I was an air force media guy I could wear the camouflage pajamas or the blue polyester suit pretty much at my discretion most of the time. So pyjamas, right?
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MikeJF posted:So pyjamas, right? You are scaredy pants. You wear pyjamas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTLHy7kwHnU
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Speaking of Romulans, I loving love TNG-era warbirds. They might be my favorite spaceship in anything. Yeah, Romulan Warbirds are gorgeous and imposing and I'm really sad we didn't get one in Generations. Also I agree with pretty much everything you said re: TMP. To this day I have no problem sitting through the Enterprise shuttlepod tour, between the music and the exquisite detailing of the model it's just cinematic hedonism.
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Gammatron 64 posted:You are scaredy pants. You wear pyjamas. Man, Gowron's been hitting the blood wine pretty hard. Calories still count in Sto'Vo'Kor, dude! Martok's aged just fine, except for a little trouble with the teeth.
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MikeJF posted:So pyjamas, right? Depends. The pajamas were half polyester and half nylon. In the summer, it was sometimes better to wear grandpa's suit than the non-breathing pajamas.
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Tighclops posted:There is no real pacing or sense of scale in these movies, regardless of any scientific inaccuracy. It's just a bunch of CGI video game cut scenes interspersed with a bit of fanwanky dialogue in between. The problem is so many other movies are like this these days that even in that one lovely regard, NuTrek can't stand out Like star trek has actually ever played by the rules of gow things move in space
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Subyng posted:Like star trek has actually ever played by the rules of gow things move in space The issue being pointed out in that quote is not that the spaceships don't move realistically, it's that the motion of the spaceships is not effective for dramatic or narrative purposes.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Generations is a great movie that goons regularly slam for little reason. The cinematography alone is an epiphany after 7 years of overlit sets and boring TV camera angles. Data's emotional rollercoaster, McDowell devouring the props and sets in every scene, etc etc. I even love that they finally put the crew on an honest to god schooner in full naval regalia. Stewart and Whoopi nail those Nexus scenes. It's fantastic. The only downside to the whole thing is that the Duras' take down the D instead of a Romulan Warbird, something that was teased for 7 seasons. I can't even fault Kirk's death, the character dies helping to save an entire world. What more could you want? What if we split the difference and have a Romulan Warbird captained by the Duras Sisters and Sela's head on a pike? If they want to do more than just imply what happened, have a scene where the Duras' meet up with their old ally to make a deal, take out the bridge crew with a suicide bomber, then activate the Romulan "Irradiate all the mutinous crew outside the bridge" button.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Speaking of Romulans, I loving love TNG-era warbirds. They might be my favorite spaceship in anything. Ditto. I really loved both the Ent-D and the Warbird, and had both models growing up. I would spend literal hours just slowly bringing them together with that "ccccccccchhh" spaceship sound. Picard expressing surprise aloud at how massive the thing is. Or the warbird slowly coming out of cloak and just... sitting there. That was what I always loved. Romulan warbirds would drop their cloaking field and then sit, unmoving and malevolent. Gave me chills.
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Sadly my Warbird figure came with the bottom strut out of its slot so the head kept craning upwards like it was checking for rain, which ruined the threatening aspect somewhat. So I had to make do with the TOS Romulan Bird of Prey, and that Vorcha cruiser model.
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Paradoxish posted:It's definitely a good example of TNG writers not really thinking things through all the way, but given that those clones were never even conscious I'm not really sure how murder-y the whole thing was. I'd say it's more like they aborted their rape babies. Not really. I mean, the clones were being raised in a vat, and if they hadn't figured out the devious plot they would have known nothing about it. It would be more like if a woman had a single ovum removed, artificially fertilized, and implanted in a willing surrogate. If it was done against her will it would be illegal as heck, but at the same time I don't think the victim would be able to demand that the fetus be aborted as long as the surrogate was fine with it. But whatever, dumb episode. I guess in the 80s, cloning was still a weird sci-fi concept.
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Fister Roboto posted:Not really. I mean, the clones were being raised in a vat, and if they hadn't figured out the devious plot they would have known nothing about it. It would be more like if a woman had a single ovum removed, artificially fertilized, and implanted in a willing surrogate. If it was done against her will it would be illegal as heck, but at the same time I don't think the victim would be able to demand that the fetus be aborted as long as the surrogate was fine with it.
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Yeah, that episode is majorly hosed up. I mean, I would probably be mad if someone cloned me without my consent, but I wouldn't go ahead and MURDER my drat clone afterwards.
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That doesn't really bother me though, because my genetic material is only part of me, not my entire being. If someone cloned me, the clone would be an entirely different individual from me who just happens to have the same genetic code. I'd be no more bothered by it than if my parents told me I had a twin brother that they gave up for adoption.
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I would murder the gently caress out of my clone The world's not big enough for two of me
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If my clone was more successful than me, I'd murder him.
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If you hosed your clone, would that count as masturbation?
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Cojawfee posted:If my clone was more successful than me, I'd murder him. Those clones were still at zero on the success line, so well above Trek posting goons. Murder away. PS it's not murder they weren't ever conscious
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Will should have murdered Thomas Riker on sight before he could seduce Deanna with...
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Gammatron 64 posted:If you hosed your clone, would that count as masturbation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck-VIA1GUCY
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According to Odo, killing your clone is still murder.
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Odo lives in a bucket, what does he know Kill all clones 
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Kill all clones Begun these clone wars have
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Trent posted:PS it's not murder they weren't ever conscious Maybe they were dreaming, or in the Riker clone's case having a wet dream.
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What if the "clones" were the real crew members who were sedated and the other ones were the clones thinking they were the originals and they choose to kill what they think are clones.
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Keep your clones alive and send them to work or school in your place so you can take the day off. You're the original, so you're the boss, right? This didn't work out very well for Calvin, but nothing did, really.
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