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Tesseraction posted:What do you consult pigs about? Technique.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Even though it's a retroactive rule? Geeze you really are just a contrarian aren't you? You don't understand the pissflaps mindset. Getting Corbyn out of office trumps virtually every acceptable rule and custom because Corbyn is bad and get Corbyn out because holy gently caress Corbyn is still here.
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Jul 15, 2016 12:51
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:the NEC have done every other drat thing to stitch this up If you really think that someone from the Labour Party is going to break into the ERS offices and rig the result, why are you even taking part in this organisation?
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Jul 15, 2016 12:51
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Even though it's a retroactive rule? Geeze you really are just a contrarian aren't you? El Pollo Blanco posted:Sure, not retrospectively though. Unless eligibility time limits are enshrined in the Labour constitution and unchangeable (theyre not), and while the NEC has the power and the remit to set such limits, any such period of time was always going to be retrospective regardless of how long it was. It's not 'contrary' to think it acceptable that a member of an organisation has been a member for a certain length of time before full membership benefits are enjoyed.
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Jul 15, 2016 12:52
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feedmegin posted:I think it's a little long but not totally ridiculous. Only letting people know now rather than having it as a permanent rule written down somewhere that people joining 5 months ago could have known about, rather less so. 5 months ago they wouldn't have known there would be a leadership ballot in September. So it wouldn't have helped them when deciding to join up or not
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Jul 15, 2016 12:53
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Even though it's a retroactive rule? Geeze you really are just a contrarian aren't you? And that's why we should stop replying to him.
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Cerv posted:If you really think that someone from the Labour Party is going to break into the ERS offices and rig the result, why are you even taking part in this organisation? habit mostly
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Jul 15, 2016 12:53
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Is there any information about how many members have been purged this time around? Last time the talk was of up to 100,000 being excluded.
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Jul 15, 2016 12:56
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Baron Corbyn posted:Sounds like we might have the same MP. Well, my hometown MP anyway. Carolyn Harris? No mine's Jo Stevens - I wouldn't be surprised if most of the Welsh Labour MPs support Owen Smith though.
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Jul 15, 2016 12:57
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Cerv posted:5 months ago they wouldn't have known there would be a leadership ballot in September. So it wouldn't have helped them when deciding to join up or not Well, unless they were a PLP insider since they've been hatching the coup since Corbyn's election...
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Jul 15, 2016 12:57
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forkboy84 posted:And that's why we should stop replying to him. You've replied to me five times in this thread alone and talked about me much more. I think it's unfair of you to demand others do that which you are not prepared to do yourself.
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Jul 15, 2016 12:57
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Tesseraction posted:What do you consult pigs about? Would you have sex with this? *holds up picture of David Cameron*
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Jul 15, 2016 13:00
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Pissflaps posted:You've replied to me five times in this thread alone and talked about me much more. I think it's unfair of you to demand others do that which you are not prepared to do yourself. forkboy84 posted:And that's why we should stop replying to him. 
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Jul 15, 2016 13:00
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Pissflaps posted:I think the six month eligibility period is reasonable, yes. Do you feel it's also reasonable to be able to bypass the eligibility period by paying a fee?
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Jul 15, 2016 13:00
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Having just joined the Labour party for pretty obvious national-economic-suicide related reasons, while I wait for my membership pack to arrive I'm wondering what else there is to be done. I mean, I've signed up, I will vote with my conscience and if I have to pay money to do it I guess I will. My question is, to the clearly more politically aware than I people in this thread... What more can I do? Honest question, I'd like to stop being apathetic about this get more involved and help fix... Whatever the hell it is exactly that is happening to the UK's leadership that causes sporadic insanity. Any suggestions?
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Jul 15, 2016 13:01
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If a new NEC is elected, can they immediately overturn this anti-democratic fuckery?
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Jul 15, 2016 13:02
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Antti posted:Well, unless they were a PLP insider since they've been hatching the coup since Corbyn's election... The exact date though has surely been influenced by events in the mean time. Maybe there is a long list of people who are both deep inside the party apparatus but not already memebers who would've benefited from a heads up about the final cut off for joining in time for this ballot. But I doubt it.
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Jul 15, 2016 13:03
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retroactive binding agreements are a fundamentally unsound principle and flaps is a true champion for advocating totalitarianism so we know it on sight
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Jul 15, 2016 13:04
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Genetic posted:Having just joined the Labour party for pretty obvious national-economic-suicide related reasons, while I wait for my membership pack to arrive I'm wondering what else there is to be done. I mean, I've signed up, I will vote with my conscience and if I have to pay money to do it I guess I will. Well, I would tell you to get involved in your local labour party, join cavassing sessions if you are informed about them etc... Buuuuut all of that was just cancelled by the NEC, so apart from waiting till the election is over and voting out all the blairite fuckers there's not much you can do, beyond try and argue and promote the labour party and tell people how poo poo the Tories are in your daily life (which may be a bit of an echo chamber).
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Jul 15, 2016 13:06
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Well, poo poo. Never hurts to ask though, thank you.
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Jul 15, 2016 13:09
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Has Breath Ray posted since Pissflaps came back?
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Jul 15, 2016 13:12
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I see Jakabite's been to Brazil
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Jul 15, 2016 13:13
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nothing to seehere posted:Well, I would tell you to get involved in your local labour party, join cavassing sessions if you are informed about them etc... The societies might not be shut down. For me I've found them the most useful and for me the way I can contribute most. I've not been active with them but the Fabians in particular seem to support people who want to make changes in their area outside of politics. http://www.labour.org.uk/pages/affiliated-organisations
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Jul 15, 2016 13:15
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Genetic posted:Having just joined the Labour party for pretty obvious national-economic-suicide related reasons, while I wait for my membership pack to arrive I'm wondering what else there is to be done. I mean, I've signed up, I will vote with my conscience and if I have to pay money to do it I guess I will. In the next week or so MPs and MEPs will be nominating leadership candidates, after that CLPs will get to make supporting nominations and I think you can still be involved in that even if you joined after the cut off? But yeah, keep an eye out for info from your CLP and go to meetings and events. If nothing else it's a good way to meet your local councillors and MPs and talk in person.
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Jul 15, 2016 13:17
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Cerv posted:5 months ago they wouldn't have known there would be a leadership ballot in September. So it wouldn't have helped them when deciding to join up or not I didn't mean they'd be psychic and know about this leadership election specifically, but they'd have known going in and before plunking down their monthly sub that they wouldn't be able to vote for 6 months. As opposed to all the people who recently joined thinking they'd get to vote from the get-go just like the last time and have instead been told to sod off. Edit: Aren't the Fabians part of the Blairite wing?
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Jul 15, 2016 13:17
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I think knowing that if a leadership election is coming in 6 months you'd need to register right now might have been a good incentive to get people to join, actually. Especially as this one wasn't entirely unexpected.
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Jul 15, 2016 13:19
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Party Boat posted:Do you feel it's also reasonable to be able to bypass the eligibility period by paying a fee? Not really I don't understand the rationale behind it, but I didn't understand the reasoning behind the £3 equivalent last year either. MonsieurChoc posted:If a new NEC is elected, can they immediately overturn this anti-democratic fuckery? That sounds, itself, anti-democratic. The DPRK posted:Has Breath Ray posted since Pissflaps came back? I don't think he has.
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Jul 15, 2016 13:22
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If you want to do things locally, if you're in a populated area there will be demos (the recent teacher strike was a good example), meetings, often events such as speakers at universities or put on by local groups. We present one every few months in the city I live, for example, and we always ensure that there's time on the agenda to discuss upcoming events and a social period after to network. If you want to get involved there's plenty of stuff on, and once you've met people typically problem won't be that you have too little to go to but way too much.
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Jul 15, 2016 13:22
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haakman posted:Sorry if I'm a bit late on this but this isn't the whole story I'm afraid. Speaking about pig farming foxes are a big problem. If you want to have nice, outdoor raised pork then foxes are a significant problem. They go after piglets you see. You have to cull them in order to keep the piglets safe. Don't then. Animal cruelty to protect animal cruelty.
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Jul 15, 2016 13:31
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Jul 15, 2016 13:32
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I'd love to get involved in my CLP but I live in a bit of Scotland the SNP has locked down. Is there any real purpose (beyond campaigning) to a CLP in a non-labour safe seat?
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Jul 15, 2016 13:36
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feedmegin posted:I didn't mean they'd be psychic and know about this leadership election specifically, but they'd have known going in and before plunking down their monthly sub that they wouldn't be able to vote for 6 months. As opposed to all the people who recently joined thinking they'd get to vote from the get-go just like the last time and have instead been told to sod off. I'm not au fait with Labour history enough to be able to speak to this. All I know is that seem to have very well organised programs for women in particular (don't know about blokes etc.) and that arguably if there is an obverse amount of Blair-centric influence it would be the best time for new people to be involved. People won't stop twonking on about neo-liberal bullshit unless enough people join and say actually, you're wrong and here's why...
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Jul 15, 2016 13:38
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ThomasPaine posted:I'd love to get involved in my CLP but I live in a bit of Scotland the SNP has locked down. Is there any real purpose (beyond campaigning) to a CLP in a non-labour safe seat? There's always a purpose. Beyond MP's there's Council elections as well as other activities that help related groups. Local Government issues, and raising awareness can be real activities you can help with.
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ThomasPaine posted:I'd love to get involved in my CLP but I live in a bit of Scotland the SNP has locked down. Is there any real purpose (beyond campaigning) to a CLP in a non-labour safe seat? Well, there's local elections, which are really important too. And then there's supporting unions/action and helping oppose things that the SNP are doing that aren't good.
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Autonomous Monster posted:http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/07/middle-class-university-graduates-will-decide-future-labour-party Labour is more and more divorced from its traditional base, as UKIP has realised for over a decade
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Jul 15, 2016 13:47
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Thread is now terrible, I think Pissflaps is back Where am I going to get my tasty tidbits on the Great British Implosion now
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Jul 15, 2016 13:53
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feedmegin posted:Edit: Aren't the Fabians part of the Blairite wing? Yep. Fabian Society is pro-capitalist and Young Fabians is half socialists half libertarians.
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Jul 15, 2016 13:56
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Zephro posted:I said something like this when the support-for-Brexit figures came out and it showed Labour voters strongly in favour of Remain and C2/D/Es (what everyone *thinks* are Labour voters) heavily favouring Leave. What do "ABC1" and those other letter/number strings mean?
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Jul 15, 2016 13:57
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That noise? It might just be the sound of a problem being punted into the longest grass that ever was: http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-scotland-may-idUKKCN0ZV1HUquote:British Prime Minister Theresa May said on Friday that the government would not trigger Article 50, the formal trigger of divorce talks with the European Union, until a "UK approach" had been agreed. If the invocation of article 50 is going to be conditional on the Scottish government accepting the plan, we'll be leaving on approximately the eleventeenth of never.
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prefect posted:What do "ABC1" and those other letter/number strings mean? Highly skilled / white collar jobs. Doctors and lawyers down to computer janitors. C2 and below are manual labourers. See here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NRS_social_grade#The_grades
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