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I went through my voting but it didn't give me an opportunity to vote for a mayoral candidate
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big scary monsters posted:I wonder how effective it would be for an opposition member to stand up and call someone in government a liar outright. It's probably unparliamentary language. It is absolutely unparliamentary language. I think a small handful of MPs have used it in the last decade, and they were all quite heavily sanctioned? I'd have to dig through google to find specific examples, though. It's fine to say that an MP is "being economical with the truth", though.
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Jul 15, 2016 19:52
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Jose posted:why is everyone voting for caroline shawcroft Idiocy I think.
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NRVNQSR posted:It is absolutely unparliamentary language. I think a small handful of MPs have used it in the last decade, and they were all quite heavily sanctioned? I'd have to dig through google to find specific examples, though. Or a danger to national security.
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Jul 15, 2016 19:53
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Am I the only one who noticed the obvious sandinista origin as an attempted Mccarthyite slur against Sanders? Corbynista is just an appropriation of that.
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Jul 15, 2016 19:54
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Jul 15, 2016 19:56
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Coohoolin posted:Am I the only one who noticed the obvious sandinista origin as an attempted Mccarthyite slur against Sanders? Corbynista is just an appropriation of that. No? This is why Baron Corbyn said it was more appropriate for Sanders than Corbyn.
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Jul 15, 2016 19:56
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Coohoolin posted:Am I the only one who noticed the obvious sandinista origin as an attempted Mccarthyite slur against Sanders? Corbynista is just an appropriation of that. 
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Jul 15, 2016 19:58
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VileLL posted:copywriting the phrase 'corboys' to reap in thousands as the concern trolling machine starts up Corboys will be the armed force of the left after the Event (Brexit), serving under Immortan Jez. Serving as a corboy will be an honour like no other in the blasted wastelands of the Midlands as they deck themselves in red shirts and do battle with the Little Englanders in the wastes, hoping to die in glory on the M4.
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Jul 15, 2016 19:59
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BizarroAzrael posted:Or a danger to national security. Or a terrorist sympathiser. But not dodgy. Parliament is loving stupid.
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Jul 15, 2016 19:59
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Thundercloud posted:It's to prevent motions of no confidence and AGMs, because lol at any Blairite committees staying in power at the moment. Except meetings for "Meetings solely for the purpose of making a supporting nomination in the leadership contest and for essential Annual Conference business", which I think includes meetings to nominate delegates to the Annual Conference. So its only no-confidence motions they are trying to avoid, not annual conference delegates nomiation.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:01
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Coohoolin posted:Am I the only one who noticed the obvious sandinista origin as an attempted Mccarthyite slur against Sanders? Corbynista is just an appropriation of that. i believe it's to connect supporters of corbyn to the wrestler turned actor dave bautista, to make them sound thuggish and green skinned
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Jul 15, 2016 20:02
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https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/753940911411830784 I am very much looking forward to reading that white paper.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:05
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It'll be worse than the SNP's pretty shambolic white paper and they didn't even manage to present one before the vote.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:06
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/753940911411830784 There's... nothing written here..? White Paper innit.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:12
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NoneMoreNegative posted:There's... nothing written here..? Whiter paper for a whiter Britain.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:19
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Liar is a big word because its very hard to prove. You're only really a liar if you know the truth and choose not to use it, otherwise you're just wrong. Boris may have repeated that 350m pounds for the NHS nonsense, but without being in his head, its impossible to know for sure if he knew it was false. Its less rude, and presumably more parliamentary to assume someone is misinformed, but acting in good faith, than it is to assume they're a deceitful turd person. That being said, I don't really understand why lying carries more of a stigma than gross ineptitude. Its like the hacking scandal where everyone of import got off by claiming to be completely unaware of what their staff were doing on a day to day basis. Lying is wrong and would have gotten them in trouble, but being in a high position at a huge company and completely loving useless is not. James Murdoch especially is a man who was either the worst kind of liar or, if we're being generous to him, so genuinely slow and incompetent that he he shouldn't be trusted with cutlery, much less a media empire. But without proof, he's legally just a moron, rather than a monster. Much like many of our elected officials.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:20
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Ok I got my NEC vote email and... I have no idea who these people are. The info they provide has been written by them and is useless. Is there a rundown on these people?
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Jul 15, 2016 20:30
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namesake posted:Corboys will be the armed force of the left after the Event (Brexit), serving under Immortan Jez. Serving as a corboy will be an honour like no other in the blasted wastelands of the Midlands as they deck themselves in red shirts and do battle with the Little Englanders in the wastes, hoping to die in glory on the M4. That's more loving like it. Adopting this
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Jul 15, 2016 20:30
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In case anyone needs to know who not to vote for:
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Jul 15, 2016 20:36
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May's Cabinet Shamelessly stolen from the Grauniad  Seems to be the usual shower of bastards.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:37
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Wolfsbane posted:In case anyone needs to know who not to vote for: Pretty sure we're mainstream Labour now 
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Jul 15, 2016 20:38
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Ok momentum are saying like vote these six and one of them is Christina Shawcroft who this thread said was bad but didn't say why.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:38
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Regarde Aduck posted:Ok I got my NEC vote email and... I have no idea who these people are. The info they provide has been written by them and is useless. Is there a rundown on these people? http://home.freeuk.com/clpd/clga_nec2016.pdf is a list with a bit of info on the 6 candidates suggested by the Centre Left Grassroots Alliance, which is a slate of candidates that has been endorsed by a bunch of other Labour left organisations like Red Labour. https://labourfirst.wordpress.com/2016/01/29/labour-firsts-recommendations-for-nec-and-ncc-elections-2016/ is Labour First's slate, which represents the Labour right while pretending to represent the mainstream & calling everyone else hard left because they are fantasists. Luke Akehurst is on there for fucksake. I haven't got my email yet so I dunno who else is on there, but that's a bit of info on 12 of them at least. Would like to see the views of everyone who has said "don't vote for Shawcroft" because I've no familiarity with her. Pesky Splinter posted:May's Cabinet Priti Patel as International Development seems a cruel joke.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:38
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I voted for Ellie reeves
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Jul 15, 2016 20:39
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forkboy84 posted:http://home.freeuk.com/clpd/clga_nec2016.pdf is a list with a bit of info on the 6 candidates suggested by the Centre Left Grassroots Alliance, which is a slate of candidates that has been endorsed by a bunch of other Labour left organisations like Red Labour. Thanks. Yeah the Shawcroft thing is bugging me. I was all ready to follow the CLGA advisement and there she is.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:40
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I don't know if it's my red-green colourblindness or my screen being off but if not then geez that's barely distinguishable. I know subtle pastel shades are in but there's a reason why bright and different colours are often used in datavis. Or I'm just blind in which case I retract my previous statement.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:41
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Angepain posted:I don't know if it's my red-green colourblindness or my screen being off but if not then geez that's barely distinguishable. I know subtle pastel shades are in but there's a reason why bright and different colours are often used in datavis. Or I'm just blind in which case I retract my previous statement. It must be your colourblindness because the two colours look very different to me.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:42
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Angepain posted:I don't know if it's my red-green colourblindness or my screen being off but if not then geez that's barely distinguishable. I know subtle pastel shades are in but there's a reason why bright and different colours are often used in datavis. Or I'm just blind in which case I retract my previous statement.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:43
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drat, I was going to post the candidate guide, but you can't get back in to see it once you're voted.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:44
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Pesky Splinter posted:May's Cabinet Can't wait to see Grayling go toe to toe with a Middlesbrough lad.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:45
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Angepain posted:I don't know if it's my red-green colourblindness or my screen being off but if not then geez that's barely distinguishable. I know subtle pastel shades are in but there's a reason why bright and different colours are often used in datavis. Or I'm just blind in which case I retract my previous statement. Pretty easy to tell apart for me but infographics that don't take into account the various types of colourblindness in selecting shades are bad imo. There are a bunch of tools that let you do it in like two clicks and some standard colourblind safe hue selections, it's really lazy not to use them.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:45
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For those with colourblindness, to clarify, the "Brexiteers" are: Bojo Davey Davey Liam "War-Luster" Fox Priti Patel oval office Grayling Andrea Losesom Natalie Evans With the others as "Remainers".
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Jul 15, 2016 20:46
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Wolfsbane posted:drat, I was going to post the candidate guide, but you can't get back in to see it once you're voted. The one the vote email links too is poo poo and is just a blurb written by them about how awesome they are and tells you nothing.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:47
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My life is a terrible anguished slog of squinting at screens on occasion and not being able to read numbers made out of circles
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Jul 15, 2016 20:48
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Regarde Aduck posted:The one the vote email links too is poo poo and is just a blurb written by them about how awesome they are and tells you nothing. So use the knowledge that the left wing of Labour likes 6 of them and the right wing likes another 6 and then Google their names for some more info?
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Jul 15, 2016 20:50
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Angepain posted:My life is a terrible anguished slog of squinting at screens on occasion and not being able to read numbers made out of circles And you can't even get a guide dog cos they're red-green colourblind too.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:55
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it's okay i made a better version of the diagram which should be informative for all audiences
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Jul 15, 2016 20:58
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Angepain posted:I don't know if it's my red-green colourblindness or my screen being off but if not then geez that's barely distinguishable. I know subtle pastel shades are in but there's a reason why bright and different colours are often used in datavis. Or I'm just blind in which case I retract my previous statement.  (Also Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster is the dumbest poo poo, but I have come to expect that from the British Parliament, like the resignation rules.) e: ^^^ I guess we were both doing the same thing at the same time.
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brycey posted:i just assumed it was a pejorative suffix so of course it gets used lots I assumed it was supposed to suggest a connection to South American revolutionaries, given the people that use it are also constantly trying to twit Corbyn for appearing next to a Cuban flag every time that happens Although doing some reading it turns out the sandinistas are themselves named for a person, so yeah I guess it is just like the -gate thing.
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