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steinrokkan posted:Relying on government sources? depends on who the airforce belongs and how big the military coup is. Sheng-ji Yang posted:https://twitter.com/MahirZeynalov/status/754049555558178816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw yeah its way to early to tell.
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So is the Turkish military better or worse then Edrogan. I'm guessing worse, because military tends to lean more right then government.
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Friendly Humour posted:Whoah, now this is something I did not expect. I thought Erdogan purged the military to prevent precisely this eventuality. Getting rid of army leaders, and replacing them with people who implicitly know you regard them as disposable puppets whose (metaphorical) survival depends on your whim won't work in the long term unless you are Stalin.
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steinrokkan posted:Well, Turkish military coups have generally been a force for good, imho. It's an aberration, but the Kemalist ideology of the army elites seems to have worked, historically, as it was supposed to. Past military coups are part of the reason why Turkish people supports Erdogan, though. You can only keep them in chains for so long...
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:how strong are the police in Turkey? a fight between the police and army seems like a pretty quick victory for the military but I could see Erdogan heavily arming the police for this very event He did, but if he really thought they could take on the Turkish military, weeeeeell...
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I don't like Erdogan but I don't know what the Turkish military is like. Tell me what to think here goons.
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Rookersh posted:So is the Turkish military better or worse then Edrogan. I'm guessing worse, because military tends to lean more right then government. It's probably better.
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Well I suppose that's one way of shutting down resistance quickly.
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I'm not nearly even close to knowing enough about this to start one myself, but could the coup be moved to its own thread? I imagine a lot of people would be interested.
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I thought Erdogan had purged most of the Gulenists last year after all those embarrassing wiretaps were released. Regardless I imagine if the military was plotting something itself they'd probably get involved somehow anyway
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:I don't like Erdogan but I don't know what the Turkish military is like. Tell me what to think here goons. do you like kurds crushed beneath your heel and sweet lamentations of their women folk?
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:I don't like Erdogan but I don't know what the Turkish military is like. Tell me what to think here goons. Hope this is over quick, regardless of who wins. Coups are bad, protracted violence in urban environment is worse.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:how strong are the police in Turkey? a fight between the police and army seems like a pretty quick victory for the military but I could see Erdogan heavily arming the police for this very event Depends on how many Army units are participating. The Turkish Army has very modern equipment though, and I doubt that the police have anything that can counter a Leopard.
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Junior G-man posted:I'm not nearly even close to knowing enough about this to start one myself, but could the coup be moved to its own thread? I imagine a lot of people would be interested. There's one over in CSPAM I think if people want to post there.
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Does Navo have any obligations to the ex-regime if the coup succeeds?
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steinrokkan posted:Getting rid of army leaders, and replacing them with people who implicitly know you regard them as disposable puppets whose (metaphorical) survival depends on your whim won't work in the long term unless you are Stalin. I guess, but it's still a sign of major incompetence when the coup happens even in fairly good economic conditions. I mean, look at Venezuela. The country is practically gone already and the army still hasn't rebelled.
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Xandu posted:There's one over in CSPAM I think if people want to post there. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3783358
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Holy poo poo, I always thought the army would make Erodan toe the line, but I never expected them to actually act against him unless there were large scale protests.
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Yeah, if this is most of the military Tureky's as good as couped. I highly doubt their police forces have the equipment or numbers to fight off their own military. If this is a minor uprising by a group of hardliners and the rest of the military is on the side of the government, then it's more interesting.
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Sai posted:Does Navo have any obligations to the ex-regime if the coup succeeds? We tend to demand a democratic transition and then swiftly return to normal whenever the new government is sworn in. Pretty much the same thing we do whenever there's a military coup.
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Bip Roberts posted:It's probably better. How would they possibly be better? Real dictators who take power through violence aren't better than petty pseudo-dictators.
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Friendly Humour posted:I guess, but it's still a sign of major incompetence when the coup happens even in fairly good economic conditions. I mean, look at Venezuela. The country is practically gone already and the army still hasn't rebelled. the turkish economy has been in a downward spiral for a while which Erdogan blamed on a shadowy cabal
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:I don't like Erdogan but I don't know what the Turkish military is like. Tell me what to think here goons. I don't know much myself, but traditionally military leaders are secular, pro-Europe, and anti-Kurd. Edrogan had done a good job co-opting and biting off the head of the snake regarding them for years, well, until now. Erdogan had been amassing power lately to an alarming degree, exhibiting increasing instability, least of which re foreign policy (the running theory with his political enemies is that he is pro-ISIS). However, he had just won an election (that had the SE of the country practically not vote due to military crackdowns). Turkey WAS Erdogan for the last decade. This can only lead to more instability.
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It's a NATO country and there's the Incirlik base too. I wonder how the US will react, apparently they store WMDs there.
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Sky Shadowing posted:Yeah, if this is most of the military Tureky's as good as couped. I highly doubt their police forces have the equipment or numbers to fight off their own military.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:I don't like Erdogan but I don't know what the Turkish military is like. Tell me what to think here goons. It's poo poo either way.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:It's a NATO country and there's the Incirlik base too. I wonder how the US will react, apparently they store WMDs there. Do you think we have nukes in Turkey?
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Erdogan is corrupt and a wannabe dictator, but I still think it's bad, even if the army overthrowing the government is almost a turkish national pastime.
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Karl Sharks posted:(((globalists)))?? "the interest-rate lobby"
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Young Freud posted:Hope Brown Moses is at the British Embassy now. I trust BM to not go Caro. But yeah, let's hope that the country stays secure despite of this. Things would be really glum if eg. ISIS started kidnapping westerners after state security fell apart...
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Brown Moses posted:I'm literally in Turkey at the moment, this is a weird moment for me. haha
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