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In the MCU, every single Abrahamic religion is explicitly disproven and Norse Paganism is the only religious faith to have any basis in reality.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:In the MCU, every single Abrahamic religion is explicitly disproven and Norse Paganism is the only religious faith to have any basis in reality. Just you wait until Jesusman shows up to defeat Thanos.
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Jul 15, 2016 19:59
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Phylodox posted:And I think the Marvel universe is pretty spot-on in terms of how the world would react to discovering there are aliens: momentary shock, terror, wonder, then everyone just assimilates that info and moves on. At bare minimum, countries that are not allied with the US would be really loving pissed. And that's the thing, I don't think anyone really acknowledges that aliens are real. They acknowledge Thor exists, but no one says "poo poo, we're not alone in the universe" even though that was and is a major question in human existence.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:04
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Phylodox posted:In real life? Pretty much all Christians. Seriously. "He's just a powerful guy, much like the Hulk." To the extent anyone cared about Norse mythology, it would be a joke about how dumb they were for mistaking them for gods.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:08
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Shouldn't tiny Linda Carter be a spoiler?
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Jul 15, 2016 20:08
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GRANNYS PEACH TEA posted:Buncha slack-jawed faggots *spits tobacco* goddamn sexual tyrannosaurus ain't got time to bleed *flexes muscles* toxic hypermasculinity There's a Little Richard song playing during this scene.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:10
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Finding out that the Norse gods were aliens all along doesn't really answer the question of "who created the universe we currently live in" tho. For a lot of Christians it probably if anything answers the questions of "why did various people from all over the world worship different sets of Gods*" which not only isn't incompatible with Christianity, you could argue it compliments it. *to the extent that any Christian even gives a poo poo about this other than "you clearly made up your dumb god but my God is for real"
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Jul 15, 2016 20:11
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Seriously though, who would still be a Christian when Actual Norse God Thor is flying around Manhattan. The existence of an Actual Norse God would almost certainly drastically raise the number of people who identify as Christians. It'd recontextualize vast portions of the Bible from being vestigial (such as the first commandment, "You Shall Have No Other Gods Before Me") into being prophetic. Every minister, pastor, priest and preacher is going to take advantage of that.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:17
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:These responses to McTiernan are mixing up the political with mere politics. Die Hard is about a working-class cop fighting a massive corporation (and, as an aside, some already-rich professional thieves). McClane may very well be sexist, (and we know his marriage is doomed to failure) but that's not a very big deal in this grand scheme of things. He's a sexist cop who's struggling through life while Nakatomi has over 600 million in bonds just sitting there. And now he's on the verge of being murdered for profit. Actually, Die Hard is about a blue collar dude stymied by his natural enemies: upwardly mobile 80s ladies, incompetent municipal bureaucrats, incompetent federal bureaucrats, yuppie scum, West Coast degenerates, the loving media. His only ally? The guy who shot Tamir Rice, and the lesson of the movie is how you "live with a mistake" (it's through the regenerative power of violence). No one actually cares about the 600 million--including Hans, who only wants to be an "exceptional thief." Yeah, in IRL Nakatomi could buy and sell John McClane six ways from Sunday, he has all the real power, but in real reality, the only power is violence, and that's where McClane excels.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:18
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It's just as well the double nazis suppressed XCOM in the MCU because it's not like they'd land a hit against the reptilians there either.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:26
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GRANNYS PEACH TEA posted:He gets killed by a thing from another world that (vagina-face aside) is an inhuman exaggeration of those masculine attributes. Jesse is six foot six two hundred fifty pounds of gleaming man-muscle, he gets killed by the Predator who is eight feet four hundred pounds of alien muscle. The human soldiers wear camouflage, the Predator has a stealth screen. The humans have guns, the Predator has a computer-aided plasma cannon. Sure, vagina-face aside. And skirt aside. And fishnet tank top aside. And gross long fingernails aside. And long hair aside. I do find the idea that the Predator is an exaggeration of the men's toxicity pretty interesting, but at the same time I don't know how you can deny that the Predator is in fact a big buff lady. That the poster boys for toxic masculinity get beaten at their own game and out-manned by a big buff lady seems like an important part of the point. As for the second part, just showing it doesn't mean the movie is supporting that kind of stuff. If it did Paul Verhoeven would be a fascist rear end in a top hat.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:30
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Yeah, as others have pointed out, the hypermasculinity of the Predator itself doesn't undermine the film's obvious satire of the overt relationship between hypermasculinity and colonial imperialism. In fact, by colliding these signifiers of not only penetration, but also disembowelment and other inverting, violent acts; with 'conflicting signifiers' of the queer and sexual feminine, as well as both the foreign and 'savage,' the film manifests the ultimate, pathological construction of colonial fears: The vagina dendatta and brutal black buck collided into one, a being sitting at the heart of darkness that is horrific precisely because it obliterates the comforting Western cultural binaries between male/female, man/nature, savage/intelligent.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:38
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Actually, (if you bother to do some real reading on the subject) you'll find that the Yautja (the true species name of the Predators, as coined in 1994's Aliens vs. Predator: Prey) are actually a hyper advanced civilization that far outstrips humanity, so if anything we're the colonized ones.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:47
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Guy A. Person posted:Finding out that the Norse gods were aliens all along doesn't really answer the question of "who created the universe we currently live in" tho. For a lot of Christians it probably if anything answers the questions of "why did various people from all over the world worship different sets of Gods*" which not only isn't incompatible with Christianity, you could argue it compliments it. I think the comics addressed this by saying that above all the various gods is a capital-G God that created the Marvel universe.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:50
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Phylodox posted:And I think the Marvel universe is pretty spot-on in terms of how the world would react to discovering there are aliens: momentary shock, terror, wonder, then everyone just assimilates that info and moves on. I want you to consider that, fifteen years later, people have not stopped talking about 9/11.
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Jul 15, 2016 20:54
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porfiria posted:Actually, (if you bother to do some real reading on the subject) you'll find that the Yautja (the true species name of the Predators, as coined in 1994's Aliens vs. Predator: Prey) are actually a hyper advanced civilization that far outstrips humanity, so if anything we're the colonized ones. That's a pretty hackie expansion on the 'mythos' of the films that still kind of ignores all of the Chariots of the Gods stuff that has been interpolated into their histories over the years. Like, even the name "Yautja" sounds vaguely like a monster of indigenous American folklore. It's important to realize, however, that the metaphor of the Predator does not extend from its conceptualization. It is conceptualized to exploit unconscious schemata of the foreign, exotic, alien, etc. Predator very explicitly does not show a creature that is interested in colonization at all, but merely in claiming life for it's own sake. It is the bottomless pit to which colonial powers condemn themselves, intractable struggles with the environment and indigenous life in order to conform to a particular hegemony. The result is the nuclear bombing of the rain forest.
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Jul 15, 2016 21:05
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HorseRenoir posted:I think the comics addressed this by saying that above all the various gods is a capital-G God that created the Marvel universe. I vaguely remember a comic from the 80s where some cosmic being explains the universe to the Beyonder (who for some reason got reincarnated as a woman) and it sounded like "creators and gods all the way down".
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Jul 15, 2016 21:07
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HorseRenoir posted:I think the comics addressed this by saying that above all the various gods is a capital-G God that created the Marvel universe.
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K. Waste posted:That's a pretty hackie expansion on the 'mythos' of the films... porfiria was being ironic.
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Jul 15, 2016 21:20
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Pirate Jet posted:I want you to consider that, fifteen years later, people have not stopped talking about 9/11. And is your day-to-day life fundamentally different than it was before? We talk about it, make movies about it, racist idiots and opportunistic warmongers use it to justify their lovely actions, but that's nothing new.
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Jul 15, 2016 21:22
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Phylodox posted:And is your day-to-day life fundamentally different than it was before? We talk about it, make movies about it, racist idiots and opportunistic warmongers use it to justify their lovely actions, but that's nothing new. Yeah, my country is stuck in a war that's stretched out for more than a decade which has made me complicit in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, which has then rebounded into horrifying acts of terrorism at home and abroad. It has cost us trillions of dollars that could have been far better spent, which money has fed the expansion of a permanent political class embedded in the military industrial complex, further corrupting a government that wasn't all that responsible to its citizens to begin with. The lives of hundreds of millions of people, if not billions, are manifestly worse based on decisions that were made as a result of 9/11. Like, yeah, "racist idiots and opportunistic warmongers use it to justify their lovely actions." That's a loving problem, because it worked as a justification. Also, the airport is way more inconvenient now.
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Jul 15, 2016 21:35
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Sir Kodiak posted:porfiria was being ironic. I'm not calling him a hack!
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Jul 15, 2016 21:36
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Phylodox posted:And is your day-to-day life fundamentally different than it was before? Are you loving serious with this? All my email, phone calls, and texts are stored by the NSA because people are pissed scared of the "terrorists" because of 9/11. There's no money for a good public education for my kids because it all got pissed away on military adventures in Iraq that happened because of 9/11. There's a major presidential candidate basing xenophobic policies on destabilization of the Middle East based largely on our reaction to 9/11. In short: I think you've forgotten what the USA was like and where it was going pre-9/11.
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Jul 15, 2016 21:39
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Now imagine the effect of 9/11 if the planes had emerged from a portal to a different corner of the universe, and Elon Musk in a spacesuit and a giant talking gorilla had shown up to divert the 2nd plane back into the portal before it impacted, then on 9/11/2002 an army of sentient droneships attacked Volgograd based on Elon tinkering with the plane's black box, and also a new different plane emerged from a different portal in summer 2002 to crash into London. Then Elon and the gorilla have a big public fight at an airport before the gorilla is branded a traitor. I bet people would still be talking about it.
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Jul 15, 2016 21:49
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Electromax posted:Now imagine the effect of 9/11 if the planes had emerged from a portal to a different corner of the universe, and Elon Musk in a spacesuit and a giant talking gorilla had shown up to divert the 2nd plane back into the portal before it impacted, then on 9/11/2002 an army of sentient droneships attacked Volgograd based on Elon tinkering with the plane's black box, and also a new different plane emerged from a different portal in summer 2002 to crash into London. Then Elon and the gorilla have a big public fight at an airport before the gorilla is branded a traitor. I bet people would still be talking about it. A talking monkey?!
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Jul 15, 2016 21:56
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K. Waste posted:That's a pretty hackie expansion on the 'mythos' of the films that still kind of ignores all of the Chariots of the Gods stuff that has been interpolated into their histories over the years. Like, even the name "Yautja" sounds vaguely like a monster of indigenous American folklore. It's fascinating to consider if the exact same movie had been made but with the original far more exotic, preying mantis-like design instead of Pussyface McFishnets.
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Jul 15, 2016 22:35
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McSpanky posted:It's fascinating to consider if the exact same movie had been made but with the original far more exotic, preying mantis-like design instead of Pussyface McFishnets. I'd say the things K. Waste pointed out would still be there. Just think what praying mantises are famous for.
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McSpanky posted:It's fascinating to consider if the exact same movie had been made but with the original far more exotic, preying mantis-like design instead of Pussyface McFishnets. At least Preying Mantis dude got a scene in Predators, even if he did get completely chumped. 
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Jul 15, 2016 22:41
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Phylodox posted:Captain America for one. I think the Christian response to aliens would be "Have you heard the good word of the lord and savior Jesus Christ?" I'm not joking - the Catholic Church has published papers on the subject, and in this case Thor would be proving that the Norse religion is false. Thor is no god and can't hear people praying to him. If he had a mailing address, Thor would probably be inundated by Christians trying to convert him. 
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Jul 15, 2016 23:13
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There's actually a comic about all that, it's called Watchmen and I heard it was pretty good. There was even a movie.
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Jul 15, 2016 23:18
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Grendels Dad posted:There's actually a comic about all that, it's called Watchmen and I heard it was pretty good. There was even a movie. The sequel is even better, though it's not available on Blu-Ray/DVD until next week.
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Jul 15, 2016 23:35
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TV series Supernatural had Loki's true identity revealed as the archangel Gabriel. I think this was in an episode where Norse, Greek and Hindu gods had a meeting to discuss what they are going to do when the world is about to be wrecked by the Heaven-Hell war.
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The MSJ posted:TV series Supernatural had Loki's true identity revealed as the archangel Gabriel. I think this was in an episode where Norse, Greek and Hindu gods had a meeting to discuss what they are going to do when the world is about to be wrecked by the Heaven-Hell war. I thought they revealed that earlier, but he was in that episode and Lucifer wrecked shop on all of them.
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Jul 16, 2016 00:27
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Sir Kodiak posted:The sequel is even better, though it's not available on Blu-Ray/DVD until next week. The one benefit of retrofitting Watchmen into the main DCU means Watchmen is retroactively the first DCCU movie.
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https://twitter.com/JaredLeto/status/754072770363822080 I can't wait to finally see Leto's take on the Joker. computer parts posted:I thought they revealed that earlier, but he was in that episode and Lucifer wrecked shop on all of them. What was revealed earlier was that the Trickster was in fact, the archangel Gabriel. The Loki reveal came up on the episode where Lucifer wrecks the "pagan" gods.
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Jul 16, 2016 00:54
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The MSJ posted:TV series Supernatural had Loki's true identity revealed as the archangel Gabriel. I think this was in an episode where Norse, Greek and Hindu gods had a meeting to discuss what they are going to do when the world is about to be wrecked by the Heaven-Hell war. Sounds about right for a Shin Megami Tensei spin-off. (Actually, since Dante was in Marvel vs Capcom and in SMT: Nocturne, the Marvel universe and the SMT universe are connected) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy3ufqp3l10
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Sir Kodiak posted:Yeah, my country is stuck in a war that's stretched out for more than a decade which has made me complicit in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, which has then rebounded into horrifying acts of terrorism at home and abroad. It has cost us trillions of dollars that could have been far better spent, which money has fed the expansion of a permanent political class embedded in the military industrial complex, further corrupting a government that wasn't all that responsible to its citizens to begin with. The lives of hundreds of millions of people, if not billions, are manifestly worse based on decisions that were made as a result of 9/11. Love this post
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:https://twitter.com/JaredLeto/status/754072770363822080 Someone pointed out that The Tattoo Man is the actually villain of the film. What if the Joker's tattoos were actually placed on him by Tattoo Man as a means of controlling him?
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Obviously what Phylodox meant is that the Chirauri were a smaller event because 9/11 killed over 3000 people and a massive dimensional rift and alien invasion by a god only killed 74.
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