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icantfindaname posted:Yeah. Shame Erdogan doesn't purge the nationalist assholes though, Gulen is actually quite a cool guy Not that cool. His rise to power was tied to Evren's post-1980 "nationalist Islam" project that sought to combat materialist secularism he blamed for the spread of communism by elevating a state controlled sunni Islam to as close to you can get to a state religion in Turkey, Gulen lost favour and fled only after the 97 coup that reinstated a more hostile approach to religion and moved to pull back from some of Evren's ideas. A lot of the stuff on neighbourliness, service to the community, tithes for public works and the inherent righteousness of financial success are all part if a quasi-nationalist doctrine - the Hizmet and the Kurds for example do not have a stellar history and they aggressively opposed the peace talks with the pkk (before they collapsed)
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icantfindaname posted:Yeah. Shame Erdogan doesn't purge the nationalist assholes though, Gulen is actually quite a cool guy Its probably because Erdogan is a Nationalist rear end in a top hat.
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Tei posted:Is this the real world? It's kinda how PKK is responsible for all terrorist attacks, even when done by enemies of PKK
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what is even happening lmbo if that US base story is true
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khwarezm posted:Its probably because Erdogan is a Nationalist rear end in a top hat. Honestly, the big powers in Turkish politics all come off as some flavor of nationalistic rear end in a top hat.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Entire Supreme Court arrested Nice job coup plotters, you just gave the quasi-dictator you were hoping to dethrone carte blanche to become a real dictator.
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gently caress https://twitter.com/CNN/status/754312742455115776
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#BREAKING The white house has convened a national security meeting. #Turkish President has said #Turkey is not a friend to US https://twitter.com/DEFCONWS/status/754318934157828097
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Civil war time. https://twitter.com/aylajean/status/754304217070837761
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Holy gently caress Erdogan's going to do more damage himself than the coup didConstant Hamprince posted:Watch Erdogan start a loving war.
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How is this any different from how the DHKP-C act most of the time
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So what are the chances that this whole crazy overreaching crackdown leads to a bigger, more competent coup?
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Is he really loving with our nuclear arsenal?!
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icantfindaname posted:Holy gently caress Erdogan's going to do more damage himself than the coup did I was anticipating this, but I was expecting this to happen over the course of weeks/months and not, you know, before lunch. I'm pretty sure the coup didn't even start 2 hours ago.
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In other depressing news. Pakistan social media star Qandeel Baloch has been strangled to death by her brother for "shaming the family". http://mobile.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSKCN0ZW0JL
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Nitrousoxide posted:#BREAKING The white house has convened a national security meeting. #Turkish President has said #Turkey is not a friend to US WTF. Is there any evidence that the U.S. had any hand in this? Does Erdogan plan on just flipping his loyalty to Russia now; leaving NATO, severing all ties with Europe and the West? Does he want to force the U.S. and NATO to establish an independent Kurdistan and then back it with arms and air support? I think the U.S. might certainly be willing to accommodate him on that last one without much prodding.
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VanSandman posted:Is he really loving with our nuclear arsenal?! That's not something that would backfire at all!
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Erdogan think Gulen was behind this, a lot of people in Turkey think Gulen is in deep with the CIA therefore a Gulenist coup must have had CIA support or foreknowledge It's pretty simple reasoning
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Constant Hamprince posted:Watch Erdogan start a loving war.
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He's probably pushing for extradition what with Gulen's group (or more accurately the catch all FETO label used for any Gulen supporter) being officially designated a terrorist organisation in Turkey earlier this year
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If he tries to take the nukes in the base the USA would invoke article 5 of the NATO treaty and he'd be at war with all of NATO. Barring an offer of protection from Russia he would lose easily. Russia is unlikely to risk nuclear war over Turkey. I don't expect anyone will mess with the nukes.
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farraday posted:Please stop panicking over Incirlik. I would love too! Why should I not panic though?
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VanSandman posted:I would love too! Why should I not panic though? Because he's probably not stupid enough to actually do anything to gently caress with it.
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VanSandman posted:I would love too! Why should I not panic though? Because there's no way in hell Erdogan is stupid enough to mess with the nukes.
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If you have to say "probably not stupid enough" in a situation involving nuclear weapons, that's a good indicator you should be at least slightly worried.
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Pakled posted:Because there's no way in hell Erdogan is stupid enough to mess with the nukes. Even if he doesn't try to seize the nukes he could demand the US vacate the base. What is the legal basis of Incirlik, a normal status of forces agreement with Turkey?
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fknlo posted:Because he's probably not stupid enough to actually do anything to gently caress with it. Gonna need something more concrete than that. I like living.
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Isn't this just to prevent any coup organizers from getting into the base and request asylum ?
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fknlo posted:Because he's probably not stupid enough to actually do anything to gently caress with it. He's on a complete and total power bender now, and has declared the US to "not be a friend of Turkey" and has cut the power and closed the airspace over the base. If he's not stupid enough, he's one brainfart away from it.
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VanSandman posted:I would love too! Why should I not panic though? icantfindaname posted:Even if he doesn't try to seize the nukes he could demand the US vacate the base. What is the legal basis of Incirlik, a normal status of forces agreement with Turkey? Turkey owns Incirlik, it is not being leased to the US or NATO but is used as a NATO facility with Turkish permission thanks to a variety of agreements. Accordingly Incirlik is a TURKISH AIRBASE which has a standing Turkish military presence in a country where elements of the military just attempted a coup. Incirlik is therefore one of many Turkish bases which are being isolated until central control can be firmly reestablished. Let me sketch out the conversation going on Turkey: Alright shut it down US: WTF dude we we're using that. Turkey: Hey dude we're having a bit of a coup at the moment and random jets airplanes flying around are not acceptable. US: Ok but we had an agreement and we were totally bombing dudes who just blew up your airport, remember. Turkey: No need to be a dick about it. For a quick academic paper on the status of Incirlik see here http://www.academia.edu/4485712/The_Politics_of_Incirlik_Air_Base
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CeeJee posted:Isn't this just to prevent any coup organizers from getting into the base and request asylum ? No. There would be no need to install a no fly zone over the base and cut power if that were the case.
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Thanks that helps.
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I tell you what though I could be wrong. If Erdogan's stormtroopers over run the base to steal the nukes for the glorious jihad against the unbelievers, I'll buy anyone who wants it Plat.
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Supposedly, we store 90 B61s at Incirlik, with 40 of those assigned for use by the Turkish Air Force.
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So I have a close friend stationed at that base and yesterday everyone told me to relax and not to worry because Turkey wouldn't dare gently caress with it. At what point do I start worrying?
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On Terra Firma posted:So I have a close friend stationed at that base and yesterday everyone told me to relax and not to worry because Turkey wouldn't dare gently caress with it. At what point do I start worrying? If DEFCON gets raised you should worry.
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flipping from nato/us to russia would be such a hilariously stupid thing to do and i would die laughing as mad gets triggered and nuclear hellfire rains down ahead of schedule
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On Terra Firma posted:So I have a close friend stationed at that base and yesterday everyone told me to relax and not to worry because Turkey wouldn't dare gently caress with it. At what point do I start worrying? Can you still reach them? If you can't, then start worrying.
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