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Young Freud posted:Can you still reach them? If you can't, then start worrying. At the moment I can't, but he's an infantry officer so he's probably got more important poo poo to worry about.
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FourLeaf posted:Is he trying to force Gulen's extradition in exchange for continued US access to Incirlik? Possibly. Over in the Eastern Europe thread, someone mentioned that Kerry said that we'd "entertain" an extradition request, but it won't be a guaranteed thing, since Turkey has to prove to an American court to approve it. Erdogan wants us to be his bitch.
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Even if Erdogan was crazy enough to go at US personnel at Incirlik because he thought they were treasonous Keebler Elves or something (he's not) there's no way anyone in the military or the AKP would go along with it, no matter how hard he purged. Openly attacking US troops is basically declaring to the world that you will be dead by tomorrow, openly attacking US troops guarding nuclear ordinance declares that you will be dead in less than 30 minutes.
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Young Freud posted:Supposedly, we store 90 B61s at Incirlik, with 40 of those assigned for use by the Turkish Air Force. I rather seriously doubt they are armed or could be without the cooperation of the US. They could be dismantled for the contents, I suppose, but the bombs themselves aren't going to do anything.
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icantfindaname posted:Holy gently caress Erdogan's going to do more damage himself than the coup did https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XNFokmDKrE&t=36s I can't imagine Erdogan is that stupid, but jesus.
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We have a long history of being mentally retarded with nukes so who knows really. But odds of even getting possession of them seems very very low I agree.
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I never thought Erdogan would be stupid enough to make a move like this, and yet here we are.
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There will not be a nuclear war over this. Calm down in an appropriate measure.Young Freud posted:Can you still reach them? If you can't, then start worrying. You there, poster Young Freud, notorious forums jingo. Stop masturbating to your Clancy novel stash and don't give people worrying about friends dumb advice just to look like you know something.
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So, if Erdogan goes stupid and, god forbid, withdraws from NATO and turns anti-US, would there be anything stopping the West from wholeheartedly supporting Kurdish nationalism?
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Nitrousoxide posted:If DEFCON gets raised you should worry. https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/754054940411170816 Wikipedia posted:FPCON DELTA describes a situation when a terrorist attack is taking place or has just occurred in the immediate area. FPCON Delta usually occurs only in the areas that are most vulnerable to or have been attacked. One notable example of a general FPCON Delta was directly following the September 11, 2001 attacks, when all military installations were placed at FPCON Delta and restricted to only military personnel. Force Protection Level I Antiterrorism Training defines FPCON Delta as: FPCON Delta applies when a terrorist attack has occurred or when intelligence indicates imminent terrorist action against a specific location. FPCON Delta is normally declared as a localized warning. The installation moves to a high state of alert, and mandatory security measures are implemented. Commanders are also authorized and encouraged to supplement mandatory security measures. FPCON Delta may cause delayed or canceled mission activities. You can expect delays and interruptions to daily routines. Edit: gently caress, that looks like from yesterday. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Jul 16, 2016 |
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Pakled posted:So, if Erdogan goes stupid and, god forbid, withdraws from NATO and turns anti-US, would there be anything stopping the West from wholeheartedly supporting Kurdish nationalism? that'd be burning that bridge for all time and like it or not Turkey is an actual functioning country whereas the Kurds aren't
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Erdogan is this stupid and more, but we have to remember how powerful is USA. USA is so powerful that people act on suggestions like if they where orders. USA is so powerful, even people that want USA dead behave like friends and partners (Saudi Arabia, Pakistan,... ). USA is so powerful, every state in the european union act has a mole for the NSA, spyiing for USA against the other countries in the european union, because friendship to usa is worth much more than friendship to the other european members. GOD is not real, but USA is real. Tei fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Jul 16, 2016 |
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Pakled posted:So, if Erdogan goes stupid and, god forbid, withdraws from NATO and turns anti-US, would there be anything stopping the West from wholeheartedly supporting Kurdish nationalism? No. Most/all the Kurdish separatist movements are at least nominally socialist but Laughing Out Loud if you think that would be a problem after 1990. That said I have to doubt he'd leave NATO, Erdogan and Russia only just mended fences over that jet and Erdogan seems like the kind of guy who would hold a grudge over what happened/is happening to the Crimean Tatars.
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Deteriorata posted:I rather seriously doubt they are armed or could be without the cooperation of the US. They could be dismantled for the contents, I suppose, but the bombs themselves aren't going to do anything. I don't imagine it's anything more than posturing at the moment, but that, provided reports are accurate, Turkey is posturing against the US arsenal. There's no chance they will go for it, let alone have a chance of seizing them. I would imagine the US would prefer them detonated in their bunkers in the (incredibly unlikely, not going to happen) event they are over-run. Regardless, Erdogan is giving the finger very loudly and prominently by playing it like this. I think the US might want to think about a nice new airbase somewhere in Kurdistan.
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go3 posted:that'd be burning that bridge for all time and like it or not Turkey is an actual functioning country whereas the Kurds aren't In that situation, I don't think Turkey would remain an actual functioning country for long. As with Iraq, Kurdistan may be the most stable and reliable partner in the area until Turkey is done going Syria.
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Rojava gives some speculation on the Incirlik lockdown. https://twitter.com/AzadiRojava/status/754308484842266624
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I'm not really worried about our nukes being threatened in any way, but I have to wonder how much poo poo flinging it would take from Turkey for the US to feel the need to remove the nukes from the region. I could certainly see US media making enough of a shitstorm about "ARE NUKES AT RISK", to create pressure to do just that. How exactly are these nukes provisioned? Are they solely the US property? and what would be the procedure for removing them?
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On the other hand, just imagine how pissed Trump would be if a nuclear war started the day after he announced his VP pick.
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https://twitter.com/AsafRonel/status/754314786372984832 Yawn. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Jul 16, 2016 |
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Phobophilia posted:flipping from nato/us to russia would be such a hilariously stupid thing to do and i would die laughing as mad gets triggered and nuclear hellfire rains down ahead of schedule it would never happen; putin would always choose armenia over turkey and that is intractable
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DesperateDan posted:I don't imagine it's anything more than posturing at the moment, but that, provided reports are accurate, Turkey is posturing against the US arsenal. There's no chance they will go for it, let alone have a chance of seizing them. I would imagine the US would prefer them detonated in their bunkers in the (incredibly unlikely, not going to happen) event they are over-run. Regardless, Erdogan is giving the finger very loudly and prominently by playing it like this. Incirlik is a shared airbase, odds are the posturing is against Turkish military personnel there, not US troops.
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Wikkheiser posted:https://twitter.com/AsafRonel/status/754314786372984832 AP might have jumped the gun. https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/754316869050433536 Of course, both are from an hour ago and no one's gotten confirmation. Edit: CBC is now reporting that Turkey has reopened access... https://twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/754330135961149440 Young Freud fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Jul 16, 2016 |
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SpaceCadetBob posted:I could certainly see US media making enough of a shitstorm about "ARE NUKES AT RISK", to create pressure to do just that. How exactly are these nukes provisioned? Are they solely the US property? and what would be the procedure for removing them? I'd have to imagine that, if there's a risk of nuclear war or a non-nuclear state taking control of nuclear arms, we'd take them back regardless of how they're provisioned.
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I would also point out that there are Saudi and German forces deployed at Incirlik; the Turks are very likely to stabilize the situation there rapidly.
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radical meme posted:WTF. Is there any evidence that the U.S. had any hand in this? Does Erdogan plan on just flipping his loyalty to Russia now; leaving NATO, severing all ties with Europe and the West? Does he want to force the U.S. and NATO to establish an independent Kurdistan and then back it with arms and air support? I think the U.S. might certainly be willing to accommodate him on that last one without much prodding. More it goes more people seem convinced that this was a "planned"/staged coup to allow Erdogan to clean up army/justice an d reassert power. He doesn't care what is true or not, he takes the chance to clean everything up and uses popular support so that noone can refuse him anything if they want Turkey support in the future. edit: and to be clear it's something which was hinted as possible since the coup started SA_Avenger fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Jul 16, 2016 |
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Constant Hamprince posted:No. Most/all the Kurdish separatist movements are at least nominally socialist but Laughing Out Loud if you think that would be a problem after 1990. That said I have to doubt he'd leave NATO, Erdogan and Russia only just mended fences over that jet and Erdogan seems like the kind of guy who would hold a grudge over what happened/is happening to the Crimean Tatars. Bitching about Russian atrocities versus various Turkic and Caucasian Muslim groups is already one of the core pillars in Turkey's argument why they shouldn't be blamed for anything they did to the Armenians and Greeks
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squidgee posted:I'd have to imagine that, if there's a risk of nuclear war or a non-nuclear state taking control of nuclear arms, we'd take them back regardless of how they're provisioned. Turkey is one of the countries that are under the NATO nuclear sharing policy, along with Germany, Italy, Belgium, and Netherlands. They're still technically US government property, guarded by Americans during peace time and controlled by USAF Munitions Support Squadrons.
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Aliquid posted:it would never happen; putin would always choose armenia over turkey and that is intractable I don't think Putin has any particular loyalty to Armenia. He'd play them against each other for Russia's gain
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https://twitter.com/HDNER/status/754301982215643136 When you purge post-coup attempt you purge hard.
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Constant Hamprince posted:https://twitter.com/HDNER/status/754301982215643136 Who's going to preside over the trials after the entire judiciary is arrested?
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Deteriorata posted:Who's going to preside over the trials after the entire judiciary is arrested? Pfft, who needs trials? 
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Like how Obama and other states are like "lol democratically elected leader" and then there's like beheadings and poo poo for coup supporters. Democracy! Kurdish Movement released a statement saying both sides of the coup are poo poo heads in agreement with a lot of the posters in the thread. Watching erdo drop the hammer on thousands of people doesn't really bode well for the stability of the country. Maybe in the short term we'll see his power expand, but long term its just going to lead to more civil unrest and violence. vv - I'm no expert but I'd imagine that 'its going to get worse for Kurds' is a pretty safe statement. Doorknob Slobber fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Jul 16, 2016 |
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Any thoughts on how the attempted coup, purge, and likely creeping authoritarianism in Turkey is going to affect the Syrian Civil War? I'm guessing that none of this is going to exactly smooth things over with the Kurds.
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Deteriorata posted:Who's going to preside over the trials after the entire judiciary is arrested? I'm sure Erdogan has plenty of cousins educated enough to sign their own name on a guilty verdict.
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Constant Hamprince posted:https://twitter.com/HDNER/status/754301982215643136 That's 140 out of 150 judges getting arrested. Hard to believe that Erdogan had this little support in the judicial system until now.
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So basically Erdogan shits on everyone and the only response from Western states is "condemn coup" all while soldiers are beaten, tortured and killed in the streets. I guess they really do need that fucker more than he needs them.
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Young Freud posted:Edit: I'm not seeing much confirmation on this and the FAA just stopped all traffic to turkey. https://twitter.com/DEFCONWS/status/754342672937070592
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GaussianCopula posted:That's 140 out of 150 judges getting arrested. Wonder if the strategy is to issue warrants for all of them and see who runs.
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