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ManofManyAliases posted:It wasn't that it convinced anyone. They're better to respond to the AG instead of not responding. What would look worse? Responding, or not? Nice false dichotomy. Of course they had to respond, however if they had a leg to stand on their response would have played out like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bl32n6-JXc Good day, sir. e: chillsnype 
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Danknificent posted:It may be even more chopped down than that. Like there may be trivial objectives along the way to Commander Oldman, and they each count as missions. Yeah, you'll start the game and it'll be like.. 'Press <<USE>> to open the door of your wankchamber' [Mission Accomplished] 'Press CTRL+R to pick up that weapon' [Mission Accomplished] gently caress knows how they'll pad the 20 hours gameplay though. Maybe... 'Your mission Commando, should you choose to accept it, is to venture out and hunt down the power cells from 20 pirate craft' with each pirate giving like a 1/10 chance of dropping the drat thing.
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ManofManyAliases posted:Maybe it's a surprise. 
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ManofManyAliases posted:It wasn't that it convinced anyone. They're better to respond to the AG instead of not responding. What would look worse? Responding, or not? You, and the star citizen community, are the easiest marks in the world. Lol.
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Azram Legion posted:alright then: Yeah - I just noticed this since I turned forum notifications off.
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Streetroller posted:You realize a settlement involves an agreement of both sides? Are you really that ignorant? In legal matters, he definitely is. The jury is out on everything else, but all evidence points to “yes.”
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Jul 18, 2016 21:53
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ManofManyAliases posted:It wasn't that it convinced anyone. They're better to respond to the AG instead of not responding. What would look worse? Responding, or not? Anyone can say things. You do it all the time, quiet boringly.
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Streetroller posted:What MoMa doesn't realize is that if they had an ironclad ToS, refusing the refund at the DA would not have costed them a loving dime. 
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Fat Shat Sings posted:This is like the worst semantics argument ever.
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The AG never directly said "Give them a refund" therefore there was no compulsion at all from the attorney general. I think this because I am stupid and want to be a baby arguing over every syllable because I'm a disingenuous gently caress
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ManofManyAliases posted:I am not paid by CIG. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htrt_-gjRQc
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MoMA - good on you for replying to my message. I'll honor your trust by not posting your reply. I will however say that I'm done. My belief that you could actually see reason was obviously misplaced. You have absolutely no self-awareness and no desire to examine your own behavior. Your reply was full of the usual deflections and refusals to face the point that I am making - a pattern that repeats itself endlessly in this thread. If you want to keep punching yourself in the balls repeatedly, for all eternity, then have at it. If you ever change your mind, feel free to PM me some actual answers.
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Wrecked Angle posted:I'll expand on this abbreviation for him. I actually took a punt on this because I had absolutely no loving clue what 'Landing Zones 2.0' could be but...  Yeah, so basically that line is gently caress all.
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Wrecked Angle posted:I actually took a punt on this because I had absolutely no loving clue what 'Landing Zones 2.0' could be but... So in other words a bug fix.
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I think it's more interesting that the AG has asked everyone seeking a refund to contact them so that they can gather more evidence for a case against CIG That seems like a much bigger issue than whether or not, technically, CIG was compelled to refund Streetroller Foo Diddley fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Jul 18, 2016 |
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https://twitter.com/SandiGardiner/status/755133395278057472 https://twitter.com/banditloaf/status/755093797902684160
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MoMA thread time is worst thread time. My eyes just slide off his posts at the best of times, and responses aren't much better
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ManofManyAliases posted:
Holy poo poo, are you that dense? So, it works like this, you loving drooling gibbon. Assuming at each company step they deny refunds: Step 1) Customer complains to company, requests refund Step 2) Company has two options: Pay up or deny. (Most deny at this stage since there is no threat and there's nothing to lose) Step 3) Customer sends a letter requesting a refund again, but this time threatens legal action Step 4) Company has two options: Pay up or deny. (Most actually refund at this point because it's obvious the customer isn't going to just quit) Step 5) Customer initiates legal action Step 6) Company has two options: Pay up or deny. (anyone left at this stage almost always refunds instantly, only super rare cases where the consumer has no actual rights to a refund do they deny, but let's continue) [CIG crumpled here] Step 7) Case goes to some form of arbitration. If the resolution is found in favor of the customer, it sets a precedent. Once a precedent is set, most similar cases will use it as a case study to shorten future cases. The reason, you loving moron, that CIG refunded at the stage they did is because they don't want a precedent setting at this stage, because it will open a huge floodgate of refunds they simply could not meet. They would LEGALLY have to meet each refund request that is found in favor of the customer, which would probably be all of them. That would almost instantly reduce their liquid balance to a sizeable negative figure, and the company would almost instantly fold and go into liquidation. You're a loving moron. STOP POSTING ABOUT poo poo YOU HAVE NO loving IDEA ABOUT. Edit: hosed up my crumplezone Xaerael fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Jul 18, 2016 |
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Wrecked Angle posted:I'll expand on this abbreviation for him. You know what's missing from that list? Being able to buy ships or equipment with money you earn in-game. But don't worry, its not a pay to win game because you'll be able to buy ships in-game "eventually".
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Eldragon posted:You know what's missing from that list? Being able to buy ships or equipment with money you earn in-game. Well of course it's not on the list. Because if it were people wouldn't buy ships using cold hard currency bux
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Streetroller posted:What MoMa doesn't realize is that if they had an ironclad ToS, refusing the refund at the DA would not have costed them a loving dime. Streetroller posted:You realize a settlement involves an agreement of both sides? Are you really that ignorant?  You just continue with the smackdown
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Fat Shat Sings posted:This is like the worst semantics argument ever. FTFY. Currently, it's a mystery what happen between the investigator asking streetroller about CIG and CIG giving him a refund. I'd imagine CIG got notified somehow of a pending investigation and quickly authorized a refund.
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Jul 18, 2016 22:05
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ManofManyAliases posted:For that sum, it would have been settled long before it would be kicked to small-claims court. But please, have that CA AG letter framed if it puts a smile on your face. I cant believe I am dating you I want Chinese tonight
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good news everyone! https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/4th2e4/official_25_feature_list/d5ha7pw 
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Wrecked Angle posted:I actually took a punt on this because I had absolutely no loving clue what 'Landing Zones 2.0' could be but... Also I like that they extended their version numbers from the PU to their patch notes now. "PU 1.0......2.0.........2.1......2.2......2.3.....2.4!!!" When it should really be 0.001v1 - 0.001v6 Just LOL at calling bugfixes (Buzzword) 2.0. Does that mean when landing Zones actually work right and you'll be using Landing Zones 5.0 on Version 3.0 of the Persistent Universe? How do backers not see this is plain marketing? It's that mental trick retailers do when they price something at $19.99 so you think it's cheaper than $20.00 and are more likely to buy it. "Version THREE POINT OH. M O O N that spells progress!!"
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ManofManyAliases posted:No. You have a good point, and are obviously trying to box me into my own words (or not - just an assumption). CIG hasn't delivered on everything that was promised, and that's the issue. But they have terms that state their estimates are not hard promises and that they are making an attempt to deliver what was promised. That's going to be much more time consuming to explain than just giving him his money back. this actually broke me... i want a back rub as well tonight, and you're doing the dishes
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A Neurotic Jew posted:good news everyone! Jesus, do these people have no self-respect?
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Sarsapariller posted:I said this before but it still holds true. Ben's weight was a huge part of my motivation to start a diet and exercise program. Quoting from way back because I'm behind the thread. I didn't realize it until reading the recent Ben stiff, but I'm letting myself go these days. Like it's been a slow but steady decline for me. I'm only at ~200 lbs, which I know some people would scoff at and wish for, but it's the heaviest I've been in my life by at least 20, and I still eat candy all the loving time. Thanks for the wake up call SA, time to get my poo poo together.
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Caught up with the thread, like an unhealthy lifestyle with a severely overweight person#45983 But joking aside, I feel no sympathy for him. He inflicted this on himself. Sepsis is a typical problem of overweight diabetics. He had a choice and he chose more calories, no exercise and no efforts to get healthy. Especially he, who nearly went blind before, should know better than to risk diabetic eye disease costing him the rest of whatever eyesight he has left. Watch him lose a foot soon, too. To be clear: he brought that upon himself. In almost all cases, obesity is a choice. And a reversible one at that. The fact that he is a bad person getting their comeuppance is just a bonus that shows that Karma is a thing.
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SirPhoebos posted:Jesus, do these people have no self-respect? It's like if you text your girlfriend "Come home! I have surprise for you  " and she gets all excited thinking its like a new kitten or an engagement ring, but really it's just the second mcdonalds apple pie that you were too full to finish.
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A Neurotic Jew posted:good news everyone! "We anticipate this to be mostly 'under-the-hood' improvements." So basically there will be nothing noticably different about Item 2.0. Also, "we anticipate"? You don't know for sure?
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I mean good to finally see someone from CIG actually lowering expectations , but they've trained their cult so well for so long it doesn't even matter anymore  OMG gunfire 2.0 .... this is it I can finally back for 10k more! Well actually gunfire 2.0 is simply a .cfg file alteration where the programmers corrected a spelling mistake20k ! No 30k incase someone else gets a refund !!
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ManofManyAliases posted:No. You have a good point, and are obviously trying to box me into my own words (or not - just an assumption). CIG hasn't delivered on everything that was promised, and that's the issue. But they have terms that state their estimates are not hard promises and that they are making an attempt to deliver what was promised. That's going to be much more time consuming to explain than just giving him his money back. Lol at crying about being boxed in by your own words. You must have a lovely argument if you are worried it'll crumple and collapse. CIG made a promise to deliver a game on November 2014, and made an arrangement to extend that estimation up to May 2016. They haven't fulfilled their promise to deliver the final product (A.K.A. Star Citizen and Squadron 42, as a finalized product). Anyone who hasn't agreed to the June 2016 TOS is entitled to a refund and CIGs financials. Claiming they refund people "out of generosity" is the dumbest lie you can tell yourself. Why would CIG spend money to "make someone go away" if they don't have to? Giving Streetroller's money back means one of two things: 1. They are legally obligated to give refunds as per the non-June-2016-TOS 2. They are trying to buy good will and/or bribe people to shut them up. (Worked really well for that Derek Smart guy!)
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A Neurotic Jew posted:good news everyone! So the hits keep coming. They The only thing that is worth a drat which is being included is this GrimHEX Outpost which doesn't exactly sound huge and must have been being worked on by the level/environment design guys for 9 months!! Progress is literally at a crawl. The only thing that can possibly swing these summer months into a positive vibe would be a shiny new Sq42 trailer, the question is do they have the content for one?
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Toast why do you look like you are going to pull out whatever is plugged into the red outlet?
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Kilmers Elbow posted:Ben's body must be like playing No Man's Sky if you're a virus.
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ManofManyAliases posted:It wasn't that it convinced anyone. They're better to respond to the AG instead of not responding. What would look worse? Responding, or not? We all read the letter and agree with you that it makes CIG look entirely squeaky clean and on the level
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Young Freud posted:FTFY. Currently, it's a mystery what happen between the investigator asking streetroller about CIG and CIG giving him a refund. I'd imagine CIG got notified somehow of a pending investigation and quickly authorized a refund. Actually Streetroller elaborated on that part in the interview he did. Right before that gigantic child stormed into the stream literally stumbling over himself to spout off the main talking points. 1) CIG, after the Attorney General got involved, said they would be refunding Streetroller (totally without compulsion though) 2) They didn't refund him and instead sent shipping information to paypal to have the chargeback cancelled 3) An investigator contacted streetroller to confirm he had received his refund, when told what had happened he promised to contact CIG on streetrollers behalf 4) within 24 hours CIG had refunded the money So yeah, no compulsion there, at all. They just waited for days before providing shipping information for products that didn't exist to try and prove they had delivered something with "not-even-lovely-ebay-sellers-try-this-poo poo" levels of audacity then required a specific follow up from the AG's office. No compulsion though. CIG just decided they didn't want streetroller as a backer.
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SirPhoebos posted:When is Gamescon, by the way? Two weeks(tm) times two.
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Wrecked Angle posted:So the hits keep coming. They Don't forget that GrimHex airlock will fail one out of the three times you use it with a fake alarm. So you get to stand there and listen to an alarm for a minute instead of say play the game.
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