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Ludicrous Gibs! posted:I've got my sights set on a 1070, but the prices and availability are still pretty iffy. I can put up with my 560Ti for just a little while longer if those are likely to improve in the next couple of months. That $399.99 Gigabyte on Newegg oughta come back in stock eventually, right? Its come in and out of stock often enough that nobody posts about stock anymore, so yeah. I'd just set up the stock alerts
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SwissArmyDruid posted:It's an _optional_ part of the VESA DisplayPort standard. R..right. And they took the "nah" option, but we're saying they should go "yah" instead.
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Ludicrous Gibs! posted:I've got my sights set on a 1070, but the prices and availability are still pretty iffy. I can put up with my 560Ti for just a little while longer if those are likely to improve in the next couple of months. That $399.99 Gigabyte on Newegg oughta come back in stock eventually, right? I'm one of the last people to frivolously spend money if I don't "have" to and you should always be cognizant of pricing for what are essentially luxury electronics, but what's another $30 or so to get the video card you want right now? If you could save $30 to wait a day, sure, but the clock is ticking on the usefulness of these things so it's better to just buy in early and get as much use as possible before it gets outpaced.
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Deuce posted:R..right. And they took the "nah" option, but we're saying they should go "yah" instead. It's an optional part of the standard, and Nvidia has opted to be dicks. No surprise.
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Gonkish posted:It's an optional part of the standard, and Nvidia has opted to be dicks. No surprise. Technically, isn't G-Sync "better" even if it is proprietary and all? From what I have read in here, it seems G-Sync covers a much broader range then Freesync on a lot of screens that say they are "Freesync" but only within "this-n-that"Hz... I just wish it was more adopted when it was announced, that more screen makers would just make Freesync monitors with the optional Expansion Slot to turn it into a G-Sync panel. How convenient would that be, to have a single monitor that supports freesync, but if you want G-Sync instead, you just have to have the extra $150-200 module to plug in that you can take out and put in a different screen if you upgrade to a bigger/faster one down the line? What the hell happened to that dream? EdEddnEddy fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Jul 18, 2016 |
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EdEddnEddy posted:Technically, isn't G-Sync "better" even if it is proprietary and all? From what I have read in here, it seems G-Sync covers a much broader range then Freesync on a lot of screens that say they are "Freesync" but only within "this-n-that"Hz... There is no reason at all that NVidia can't support both. If they just added in FreeSync support, there would be literally no reason to buy AMD this generation, and they don't make a ton of margin on the G-Sync modules, so I guess NVidia's hubris is holding them back.
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EdEddnEddy posted:Technically, isn't G-Sync "better" even if it is proprietary and all? From what I have read in here, it seems G-Sync covers a much broader range then Freesync on a lot of screens that say they are "Freesync" but only within "this-n-that"Hz... Yes. Some FreeSync screens have good ranges, others it is pretty perfunctory (eg 45-60 Hz sync range).
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EdEddnEddy posted:Technically, isn't G-Sync "better" even if it is proprietary and all? The problem is that FreeSync and G-Sync aren't actually the same thing. G-Sync comes from a proprietary, expensive NVIDIA module, but that module covers everything from variable refresh, to ULMB, to refresh-rate driven RTC/overdrive steering, frame doubling at low Hz, making sure the G-Sync range is wide enough... FreeSync just deals with the variable refresh. The monitor manufacturer can then choose how they implements everything else. Most just don't. If you would have FreeSync monitors with similar features as G-Sync ones, the odds are the price difference would be smaller. There's nothing stopping NVIDIA from supporting VESA Adaptive Sync. But as long as the market isn't utterly dominated by FreeSync monitors, they can rest assured that once they sell someone a G-Sync monitor, that person is going to pay NVIDIA tax for the foreseeable future. For much of the same reasons, NVIDIA is stuck on OpenCL 1.2 and doesn't have a working profiler for it (any more).
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As has been said in the thread before: Come Ice Lake or so, Nvidia won't have much of a choice NOT to support the VESA-standard variable refresh, even if it's just sideband to their own implementation because Chipizilla will have come to town. Starting from laptops, then desktops following suit. As for screens, if the latest Linus video is any indication, Freesync ranges should be expanding with the next generation of scalars. Not holding my breath on that, though. What I'm trying to say is that even if AMD bites the dust for good between now and 2018, G-sync will not continue on to become a mainstream product. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Jul 19, 2016 |
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Truga posted:Yeah, I always wanted a Jewish GPU Does this mean I can't game with it from sunset on Friday to sunset on Saturday?
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I don't know how much effort went into tit's design, but my MG279Q supports 30-90Hz range, which is pretty drat good, an increase to 30-120Hz for Freesync should basically make it a no brainer as IIRC, Intel and AMD could handle everything else the Gsync FPGA does with drivers.
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unpronounceable posted:Does this mean I can't game with it from sunset on Friday to sunset on Saturday? Its still a star of david but i thought the twin circles invokes the seal of solomon used to control demons. It fits better with their stupid marketing, but everyone is gonna see jew star.
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This isn't quite the thread for it, but in line with the topic on this page, is *sync really that great? I don't want to pay the premium for a gsyn (can't find anything with it for under $300), but I want the gtx 1060. Am I dumb for not just getting a freesync monitor and the rx 480 instead?
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FaustianQ posted:an increase to 30-120Hz for Freesync should basically make it a no brainer as IIRC, Intel and AMD could handle everything else the Gsync FPGA does with drivers. They couldn't duplicate ULMB with drivers, although admittedly that's a niche feature that most people wouldn't miss.
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Enigma posted:This isn't quite the thread for it, but in line with the topic on this page, is *sync really that great? I don't want to pay the premium for a gsyn (can't find anything with it for under $300), but I want the gtx 1060. Am I dumb for not just getting a freesync monitor and the rx 480 instead? if you play games where fps matters like shooters, sync really is worth it. Having a 120hz gsync monitor is a massive advantage over other players.
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Fauxtool posted:if you play games where fps matters like shooters, sync really is worth it. Having a 120hz gsync monitor is a massive advantage over other players. I wish I still played multiplayer fps games, but family/career and such. Mostly single player stuff these days that I can pause. I'm getting a 144Hz monitor, so I'm hoping that is good enough.
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repiv posted:They couldn't duplicate ULMB with drivers, although admittedly that's a niche feature that most people wouldn't miss. ULMB = LFC, isn't it? They do LFC with drivers, it just requires that the monitor have a range where the upper bound is 2.5x the lower bound. XR341CK, for example. (30 - 75Hz)
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1060 tomorrow baby!! Just realized today it's exactly half a 1080 in chip and price! Even the founders/non founders prices match.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:ULMB = LFC, isn't it? ULMB is backlight strobing. The only FreeSync monitors that support it are the BenQ TN ones that include it independently of FreeSync.
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repiv posted:A few reasons you can't do SMP implicitly off the top of my head: That makes a lot more sense. I figured "using the shader engine to do raytracing" would break, but these make it nearly impossible to do right. Hopefully AMD comes up with something close enough that you can support both in the same engine (just change a few bits in the hardware layer depending on card targetted) Then I remember that it's 2016 and GPU-accelerated physics are still relegated to batman's cape flapping majestically due to vendors being poo poo about standards so I don't have high hopes for this, either.
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Bleh Maestro posted:1060 tomorrow baby!! I'm completely torn between the RX 480 and the 1060. I've had a LOT of issues with Nvidia drivers lately, so I'm leaning towards AMD, but I would love to stick with Nvidia for the G-sync monitor I bought (like an idiot).
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Gunder posted:I'm completely torn between the RX 480 and the 1060. I've had a LOT of issues with Nvidia drivers lately, so I'm leaning towards AMD, but I would love to stick with Nvidia for the G-sync monitor I bought (like an idiot). I'm in a similar position. 480: the monitor I am likely to get has Freesync 1060: leaked benchmarks mean possibly better performance at similar price point; may be in stock before the heat death of the universe
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Gunder posted:I'm completely torn between the RX 480 and the 1060. I've had a LOT of issues with Nvidia drivers lately, so I'm leaning towards AMD, but I would love to stick with Nvidia for the G-sync monitor I bought (like an idiot). I mean if you have Gsync, I'm pretty sure that means just drop the dosh on the 1060 and forget about it. I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum: I could go for either, but I have a Freesync monitor and AMD seems to hate money.
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Yeah, the 1060 does make more sense, but the endless crashing and system performance problems I've had with my current card have made me wary of sticking with Nvidia. Before anyone asks, I went through an extensive troubleshooting process, including RMAing multiple system parts (including the graphics card itself) and it always came back to Nvidias lovely drivers. If it wasn't for my GSync monitor, I'd already own a 480.
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Gunder posted:I'm completely torn between the RX 480 and the 1060. I've had a LOT of issues with Nvidia drivers lately, so I'm leaning towards AMD, but I would love to stick with Nvidia for the G-sync monitor I bought (like an idiot). IMO snag the 1060 if the price is reasonable since you have the gsync monitor already. I'm sure they will be close enough in per/$.
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My current monitor has no freesync or gsync. And it's likely neither will my next one. I'm leaning heavily towards a 1060 over 480. Beyond the sync stuff is there anything to recommend the 480 over the 1060? For the record I've got an i5-6600k with a 1080p monitor.
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mango sentinel posted:My current monitor has no freesync or gsync. And it's likely neither will my next one. I'm getting the impression that, as long as you're content to stay at 1080p, the cheapest graphics card will do.
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Gunder posted:I'm getting the impression that, as long as you're content to stay at 1080p, the cheapest graphics card will do. Depending on what the 470 costs, it might be the real best buy at 1080p.
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I'm pretty close to dropping $400 on a 1070, but am still on a Dell 2408WFP from like 9 years ago. Should I be looking at a monitor purchase as well? 1200p gaming is cool with me, I guess, but all the sync talk has got me thinking I should look around. My monitor has... VSync? Is that a thing? At least it's got DP! And I already sold my HD6870 
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At worst the RX470 will sit between an R9 380X and a RX480, at best it'll be some 10% difference you can make up in overclocking, some are suggesting reference 290 performance vs the RX480s custom 390/390X performance. Really want more info on the RX490, but it maybe that only the RX480 is the real dud due to price, as the RX470 should equal or trounce the rumored 3GB 1060 (and both are supposed to be at a similar price point). AMDs claim on the RX460s performance also sounds really good, bus powered 380-380X would be amazing. I mean, I'm sure Nvidia will have a 640CC counterpart, just it's likely super low priority for Nvidia, and the RX460 is a fantastic replacement for virtually all sub 970/390 cards in the mean time. Except no availability right now for either so were back at SOP for AMD; great ideas, poor marketing, sloppy/slow execution. I really want the rumored 32C/64T 180W TDP 2.9Ghz Naples to be real, getting 5-10% of the server market means all the debt payment and R&D money and marketing money to Make AMD Great Again.
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CloFan posted:I'm pretty close to dropping $400 on a 1070, but am still on a Dell 2408WFP from like 9 years ago. Should I be looking at a monitor purchase as well? 1200p gaming is cool with me, I guess, but all the sync talk has got me thinking I should look around. My monitor has... VSync? Is that a thing? At least it's got DP! Fight the good fight and keep it, 16:10 buddy. There's a reason humanity has treasured the golden ratio for thousands of years.
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Seamonster posted:Fight the good fight and keep it, 16:10 buddy. There's a reason humanity has treasured the golden ratio for thousands of years. 1600 pixels tall is overkill and if you aren't at 1440 why aren't you?
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CloFan posted:I'm pretty close to dropping $400 on a 1070, but am still on a Dell 2408WFP from like 9 years ago. Should I be looking at a monitor purchase as well? 1200p gaming is cool with me, I guess, but all the sync talk has got me thinking I should look around. My monitor has... VSync? Is that a thing? At least it's got DP! I've a 32" 1440p monitor, and I want to marry it. The quality of screens really has improved so much in the past few years, you won't be disappointed upgrading.
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xthetenth posted:1600 pixels tall is overkill aha no E: browser tabs and taskbar eat into the 1600, even more so if I've snapped 2x2 windows. Yes this is the GPU thread so  and whatever but I use my computer for other stuff too.
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Seamonster posted:aha no 1280 or so is my real breakpoint where I stop seeing much benefit from more height. I don't see the massive gains from going ultrawide as I would from getting a bit more height. Also if you've got 2560 width, tabs should be taking width not height.
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Don't expect it to be easy to actually get a $249 GTX 1060. Not for a while anyway.
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Reminder that, again, FE 1060 is $300. Don't expect to get a $249 GTX 1060 at all IMO.
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XFX 480 by way of TechReport.  It's a pretty good looking card, and nothing like that monster that threatens to delaminate your motherboard from Zotac. Which is nice. I'm still waiting on those super-short boards with exposed fins for blowing air through, though. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Jul 19, 2016 |
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Bleh Maestro posted:Don't expect it to be easy to actually get a $249 GTX 1060. Not for a while anyway. If I can get a custom GTX1060 for no more than $280 at launch I'm fine with that because that's how much I spent on my 660Ti. Edit: When does the 1060 go on sale in the morning here in the US? spasticColon fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Jul 19, 2016 |
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