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Cammy's v-reversal is -8 on block, often just straight up whiffs, doesn't have invin to active frames, and you can OS against it because it goes behind you so you just do the motion the other way and if she doesn't v-reversal it won't come out.
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bebaloorpabopalo posted:The v-reversal thing makes much a tiny difference against "characters with command grabs" compared to "every character." Being -2 next to everybody is lovely when you have no invincible moves. I mean, having a gently caress OFF WITH WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING button is something that kinda matters against Mika (and Laura), since she'll be trying to get you through unreactable resets. That, Rog being supposed to play up-close and put himself in bad situations sometimes for the sake of a mixup, and a bad V-Reversal to escape + situations against those characters
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Cammy also has the only v-reverse in the game that hits, knocks down, and switches sides so yeah its a bit situational. Also mostly useless cause she has dp. The rog thing specifically it sucks extra for him to be beside the grappler because throws always beat strikes if they hit on the same frame and since you are minus 2 the 5f grapples always win out, basically immediately forcing you into a mixup. Anyone else you can block right and late-tech to kinda get out of that situation.
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https://twitter.com/StreetFighter/status/755521454146334720 How much will bundles go for? I'm guessing 2 bucks per costume.
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Jul 20, 2016 00:00
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One color earned through level up costs between like 2 and 5k fm to unlock. 7 colors at once is gonna be a rip off of epic proportions.
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Jul 20, 2016 00:06
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Is juri's flashkick looking move going to be an invincible reversal or like ex only?
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Jul 20, 2016 00:07
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Real hurthling! posted:Is juri's flashkick looking move going to be an invincible reversal or like ex only? The vesper breakdown thing says MK pinwheel is invuln normally. However that said going by what numbers he was giving out I think there's no way a lot of what she is stays as it is because everything she has is super fast framewise.
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Jul 20, 2016 00:09
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lol whats the frame data on rogs normals/specials
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Jul 20, 2016 00:10
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I love how bison's df.hp is only +1 on block so he can out-prioritize 4f jabs with throw, but at best trade his own jab against 3f mash. It's bizarre that throws are universally slower than jabs in this game but I guess that adds to sf5's charm  Although technically bison trades favorably due to gray chip and it's not like his next best method of throwing (random dash) is hopeless, so there's that.
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Jul 20, 2016 00:12
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NecroMonster posted:lol whats the frame data on rogs normals/specials https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-k8FclsbGYmUXZ4H_KS30aMowwWjqErkrfUHVoVC2qs/edit#gid=2125730164
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Dias posted:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-k8FclsbGYmUXZ4H_KS30aMowwWjqErkrfUHVoVC2qs/edit#gid=2125730164 thank you. these numbers tell me that rog is actually theoretically fine against grapplers, maybe something else is a factor here
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Jul 20, 2016 00:15
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NecroMonster posted:thank you. It's what I said earlier. Alpha counter has huge forward movement so on block it leaves you negative directly beside the other character. Makes Mika a nightmare match.
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I really really doubt having your counter baited and blocked could account for such an apparently "overwhelming" weakness against grapplers.
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Jul 20, 2016 01:24
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NecroMonster posted:I really really doubt having your counter baited and blocked could account for such an apparently "overwhelming" weakness against grapplers. Bad against "grapplers" is basically bad against Mika and Laura, because you have even less options to get out of their BS, and you're not great at keeping them away. Plus it's bad on an SFV sense, where everyone is limited so a 6-4 is godawful.
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Jul 20, 2016 01:36
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NecroMonster posted:thank you. Pretty much all of his best combo starters and pokes require him to be in throw range. Standing HP has much worse range than it looks like and leads to nothing on hit. Standing HK is excellent but, again, puts him in the danger zone against grapplers. Thus, he has limited options for poking to keep grapplers from advancing. Gief has armor and superior range. Laura's projectile is the only one in the game that gives him trouble. Mika has speed and mobility. The lack of hard knockdowns off of anything but Crush Counters actually hurts him a lot more than other characters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUSRtautHPc Key notes for above: --Look at how much bigger the green hurtbox is than the red hitbox is on Balrog's standing jab --Same for standing HP @ 00:29. The size of the hitbox is barely bigger than 1.5 floor blocks on the training stage. -@00:41, standing LK, his only 3f normal. At least the hitbox is bigger than the hurtbox, but it barely reach 0.5 a floor block in front of his toe. --01:03, standing HK, by far his best standing normal, reaches only a floor block's length in front of his head. Shiki Dan fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Jul 20, 2016 |
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NecroMonster posted:lol whats the frame data on rogs normals/specials Somebody recommended an app on Google Play called VFrames. I checked it out and it is both awesome and will answer your question as well as provide some recommended video guides, move lists, and BnB combos.
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hiddenriverninja posted:https://twitter.com/StreetFighter/status/755521454146334720 at least 4
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Real hurthling! posted:Is juri's flashkick looking move going to be an invincible reversal or like ex only? Ex only. Vesperarcade got it wrong
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Revelant posted:Ex only. Vesperarcade got it wrong Are all versions going to be crush counterable like Guile, or will the EX version be the only one, like Karin and Chun Li?
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A.o.D. posted:Are all versions going to be crush counterable like Guile, or will the EX version be the only one, like Karin and Chun Li? I'm not 100% at the moment, but I think its like Karins and Chuns
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I don't know why that guy cares so much because he's just going to say it sucks and rant about Capcom like he always does anyway.
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Love Stole the Day posted:I don't know why that guy cares so much because he's just going to say it sucks and rant about Capcom like he always does anyway. what?
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i think this is the right thread for this i bought revelator and played the demo for kof xiv holy poo poo these games are both so much better than sfv it's actually kind of upsetting kof xiv is an ugly bird but god drat does it sing
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I really doubt KoF14 will be good online. It may not even be playable. I read that they're using some form of input-delay for it which doesn't fill me with hope. Revelator looks really good and is worth getting a ps4 for when I finally get the money. Getting that console and paying for the games + online PSN is too loving expensive considering I've been using PC since I was 18.
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HoboWithAShotgun posted:I really doubt KoF14 will be good online. It may not even be playable. I read that they're using some form of input-delay for it which doesn't fill me with hope. Where did you read that?
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HoboWithAShotgun posted:I really doubt KoF14 will be good online. It may not even be playable. I read that they're using some form of input-delay for it which doesn't fill me with hope. Is Revelator that much of an improvement on Sign to justify shelling out for a console?
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Goetta posted:Is Revelator that much of an improvement on Sign to justify shelling out for a console? It is IMO. It feels much more "complete" to me.
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The Timely Howard posted:i think this is the right thread for this The only problem is I have friends that play sf5 and smash but no friends that play KOF or GG. It's really hard to get people to switch games that need such a high time investment
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Night Blade posted:Where did you read that? There was a translated interview where they explained in rough terms that they plan on making the game feel playable within 2-4 frames of lag, or in other words up to 66.7ms ping. This literally means nothing because almost anything plays well with that ping. 
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Goetta posted:Is Revelator that much of an improvement on Sign to justify shelling out for a console? literally every part of the game was improved
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revelator is out for pc in a while though if youre not rearing to go/dont have money. i dont have money
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apple posted:There was a translated interview where they explained in rough terms that they plan on making the game feel playable within 2-4 frames of lag, or in other words up to 66.7ms ping. This literally means nothing because almost anything plays well with that ping. delay based Is not necessarily a bad thing. Ps4 last blade 2 is delay based and runs better than sfv rollback Real hurthling! fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Jul 20, 2016 |
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dangerdoom volvo posted:revelator is out for pc in a while though if youre not rearing to go/dont have money. i dont have money Has there been any official statements about a pc release yet?
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Partial Octopus posted:Has there been any official statements about a pc release yet? Eurogamer leaked that its in development and set for early next year
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Real hurthling! posted:Eurogamer leaked that its in development and set for early next year If you have a ps3 you can always buy that version, it's just got poor graphics and slowdown in places. You'll still be able to play with people on ps4.
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HoboWithAShotgun posted:I really doubt KoF14 will be good online. It may not even be playable. I read that they're using some form of input-delay for it which doesn't fill me with hope. Dizzy on the EU store: https://store.playstation.com/#!/en...GXRDREV01EUDICB
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I know it didn't happen for SIGN but I hope the Revelator PC can play wig console people
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In Training posted:I know it didn't happen for SIGN but I hope the Revelator PC can play wig console people me too. it probably wont happen though.
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Balrog's throw range seems really short, even by SFV standards. Bit annoying tbh. https://a.pomf.cat/zibbqn.webm
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The Timely Howard posted:i think this is the right thread for this Its that one british lady I forgot her name but she looks ugly as sin with the voice of an angel. Susan Boyle thats it! Goetta posted:Is Revelator that much of an improvement on Sign to justify shelling out for a console? wait for the PC version. Its only like 4 months or so away? They're generous with XRD Too. They give you free poo poo like when i bought it on PC it was only 30 bucks and came with so much free skins and voices and stuff. Unlike someone else we know.
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