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TooMuchAbstraction posted:The real question is, is the Great Wall's defensive bonus obsoleted by China's research or by the invader's research? It was super dumb in Civ5 how you could carefully avoid obsoleting your Great Wall bonus by directing your research away from...what was it, Dynamite? True but you can't avoid Dynamite forever, and the longer spent doing so the longer you miss out on the immense power of artillery. So in that sense it's obsoleted by the passage of time. It is a thoroughly dumb mechanic though. The wall should be obsoleted by the attributes of modern units trying to bust it, not some arbitrary bonus being removed (let alone removed by the wall-owner's own tech progress!) Also, isn't it the only thing in the game that is formally obsoleted? In Civ 4 many (if not all) wonders got obsoleted at some stage, their bonuses no longer applying. The Great Wall, I think, is the only thing that kept this.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Also, isn't it the only thing in the game that is formally obsoleted? In Civ 4 many (if not all) wonders got obsoleted at some stage, their bonuses no longer applying. The Great Wall, I think, is the only thing that kept this. A better way to handle it would've been to grant all units a free promotion upon researching Dynamite that lets them ignore the Wall's effects.
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Obviously China should just replace the great wall with the Maginot line after concrete is researched.
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Aerdan posted:A better way to handle it would've been to grant all units a free promotion upon researching Dynamite that lets them ignore the Wall's effects. That seems like clutter to me, no other promotion is so specific and you'd get it even if you never saw the Wall. How about the -1MP malus only applies to pre-modern era units? That way you couldn't Dynamite your way to wall-busting cavalry somehow: the units themselves have to be advanced enough to beat the wall. Still, I think the best solution is give the wall a better bonus. It makes no sense that a city outside of the wall gets its bonus anyway. The whole thing is a bloody shambles! Irregardlessly, I am loving pumped about building my own great wall piece by piece 
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Jul 19, 2016 16:44
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Hopefully you start on a peninsula and found the DPRC
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The leaders are looking pretty ok so far, but Qin Shi Huang looks like someone straight from Constructor. It's pretty funny, actually. 
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Negrostrike posted:The leaders are looking pretty ok so far, but Qin Shi Huang looks like someone straight from Constructor. It's pretty funny, actually.
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Jul 19, 2016 18:12
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Yeah I like the overall art style but some of these Leaders are straight up cartoons
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Jul 19, 2016 22:38
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At least it's not anime
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First I'm going to download the mod to remove all the non-white leaders. Next I'm going to download the mod that makes all remaining leaders anime.
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Jul 19, 2016 23:18
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The Human Crouton posted:First I'm going to download the mod to remove all the non-white leaders. Then the nude female leaders mod. Especially Maria Theresa.
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The Human Crouton posted:First I'm going to download the mod to remove all the non-white leaders. but japan is non-white...
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Jul 19, 2016 23:26
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So are we going to argue about the leader models every time a new civ is introduced? Because we're, what is it, 4 for 4 so far.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:So are we going to argue about the leader models every time a new civ is introduced? Because we're, what is it, 4 for 4 so far. Nerds hate change. So yeah probably.
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Jul 19, 2016 23:31
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Drink whenever someone calls them "cartoonish".
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Jul 19, 2016 23:32
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Firaxis' DLC model is cartoonishly evil
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Jay Rust posted:Firaxis' DLC model is cartoonishly evil dlc tilesets base game is featureless hexes
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The Human Crouton posted:First I'm going to download the mod to remove all the non-white leaders. Better remove all the women too, or replace them with huge-titted schoolgirls.
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Jul 20, 2016 00:14
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Why stop at just the women?
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Wasn't there some kickstarter that had like World War 2 tanks redesigned as pneumatic schoolgirls? EVERY UNIT. FROM THE WARRIOR TO THE X-COM SQUAD.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:So are we going to argue about the leader models every time a new civ is introduced? Because we're, what is it, 4 for 4 so far. 5. The only one I really hate is Qin Shi Huang. My real problem is how inconsistent they are. Look at Hojo compared to him. It's jarring.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:The real question is, is the Great Wall's defensive bonus obsoleted by China's research or by the invader's research? It was super dumb in Civ5 how you could carefully avoid obsoleting your Great Wall bonus by directing your research away from...what was it, Dynamite? Honestly, I don't think it needs to be obsoleted anymore. The fact that it takes up District space is rather limiting in itself. Sure it probably provides a defensive bonus to units there and can halt movement, but I imagine it's a static bonus and the gold, culture and tourism gains it gets would be outpaced by more focused Districts.
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The Human Crouton posted:5. The only one I really hate is Qin Shi Huang. I'm not a big fan of the eyes but the hat thing is animated really nicely.
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Ghostlight posted:Why stop at just the women? Actually just mod out all graphics. Text-based interface only, gimme those tables. 
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Perestroika posted:Actually just mod out all graphics. Text-based interface only, gimme those tables. Lol look at this casual babby who needs all his data neatly organised in tables  Just gimme all the data in a pile, I'll sort it out like a real man
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Lol look at this casual babby who needs all his data neatly organised in tables Sure, here's a dump of the contents of RAM.
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Peas and Rice posted:Wasn't there some kickstarter that had like World War 2 tanks redesigned as pneumatic schoolgirls? Speaking of XCOM if they bring back the XCOM Squad unit they need to make future-era barbarians into Sectoids.
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Changing the game so that you have to unite humanity in order to fight off an alien invasion would unironically fix the end game.
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Rexides posted:Changing the game so that you have to unite humanity in order to fight off an alien invasion would unironically fix the end game. It could be awesome, it could be like a victory condition that kinda combines many victory conditions: diplomacy (convincing civs to join the XCOM effort), tech (discovering the techs required to fight the alien), expansion (forcing civs to join, if they dont diplomatic) And it could give the game an endboss if you actually had to fight the invasion
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Perestroika posted:Actually just mod out all graphics. Text-based interface only, gimme those tables. Kittens Game is, effectively, what you're after. http://bloodrizer.ru/games/kittens/ It uses many names and references from Civ 5. I warn you, though, it's very time-consuming and 'grindy'.
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Looks pretty accurate to most depictions of Qin: Who is apparently also a moogle.
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Elias_Maluco posted:It could be awesome, it could be like a victory condition that kinda combines many victory conditions: diplomacy (convincing civs to join the XCOM effort), tech (discovering the techs required to fight the alien), expansion (forcing civs to join, if they dont diplomatic) You know how you could load your Civ V saves into a new game of Civ: Beyond Earth? Civ VI should let you load your saves into a new game of XCOM 
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Fister Roboto posted:Looks pretty accurate to most depictions of Qin: I like the dog that is sneaking up behind him to find out how that angry pearl got trapped in that iced taco.
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canyoneer posted:You know how you could load your Civ V saves into a new game of Civ: Beyond Earth? Wait, what?
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Peas and Rice posted:Wait, what? I am wrong. They added the "go beyond earth" icon to science victories before BE was released, and speculation was that one could continue their save. But instead it just takes you to the store page.
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Rexides posted:Changing the game so that you have to unite humanity in order to fight off an alien invasion would unironically fix the end game. That's literally what the dremor invasion DLC did for Warlock.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Sure, here's a dump of the contents of RAM.
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That end game Xcom challenge sounds pretty much perfect. Anyway, these new leader screens are wonderful. Such a relief after the weird statue people of V! (Tilts head, bends finger, raises voice slightly)
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Tree Bucket posted:That end game Xcom challenge sounds pretty much perfect. The art sytle is nice mix of Civ 4 (which I thought I was too cartoony) and Civ 5 which was way too stiff. To actually looks ok
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