NASCAR 2016: I think at this point one thread per year is probably fine

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kidcoelacanth: Sep 23, 2009

wicka posted:

isn't it just...first place gets 40 points, second gets 39, third gets 38, etc?

I think he means the chase stuff. But yeah per race it goes by 1 point per position. Which is a crap system, because it penalizes you for failure more than it rewards you for succeeding.

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# ? May 30, 2024 00:32

CBJSprague24: Dec 5, 2010; another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

I also took it to mean Chase rules, which go "Top ~~10 and anyone within 400 points of the lead~~ 12 ~~10 plus two wild cards with wins inside the Top 20~~ ~~in points~~ 16 drivers in the Top 30 in points who have attempted to qualify for all of the races (unless an exemption is granted), seeded by the number of wins (and failing 16 winners, points) they have in the regular season~~, and he with the most points after 10 races is champion~~, bottom three Chase drivers (tiebreaker is average finish in that round) eliminated after each third race until there's a final four at Homestead, which is highest finisher takes all. Oh, and a win is an auto-advance to the following round, which is only A Good Rule if your driver benefits, like Kidc thought after Dover and I thought after Martinsville last year."

CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Jul 19, 2016

# ? Jul 19, 2016 22:41

Harveygod: Jan 4, 2014; YEEAAH HEH HEH HEEEHH

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYIN

THIS TRASH WAR AIN'T GONNA SOLVE ITSELF YA KNOW

CBJSprague24 posted:

Here's another article from Jeff Gluck where he surveyed fans on Twitter and Facebook as to why they stopped attending races:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nascar/2016/07/01/nascar-fans-attendance-cost/86587042/

One thing I didn't think about earlier is the changing track experience (mentioned in that story), most notably demonstrated by the transition from the souvenir haulers to the Fanatics Courtyard or whatever it's called now. Functionally, it's nice to be able to handle, look at, and try stuff on without having to have it handed down, but driving past the empty Midway at Daytona in July was depressing.

I have a close friend who asks about NASCAR at times when we go out to grab wings and beer and he's asked about the decline of the sport. I explained the Chase to him as a reason and his response, after hearing the formats each time (because we've talked about it twice) was "Why don't they just take points from the full season to determine the champion? It's so much easier.".

That's a great article. I was just about to share it.

NOTE: Read the following paragraph in Plinkett voice for full effect:

Something that I think isn't mentioned when talking about the Chase(s), but I think is worth mentioning, is the overemphasis on its winner: it's not just the most important position, it's now the only important position. There used to be interest in "who will finish the season in the top 5? The top 10?" There were multiple storylines happening throughout the field and everyone had something to gain/loose. Now the system is only to determine a champion: if a driver isn't in the top 2-4, they might as well pull over. That's why when a driver dominates a race now that it's more boring than it used to be: because there's literally nothing of consequence happening with the other 42 cars on the track to fill the time. None of it matters so it's boring. That was why I actually liked the Top-35 rule (though I think they should have made it a lower number). There used to be 43 drivers racing 42 other drivers, not 42 drivers trying to beat Jimmie Johnson.

# ? Jul 19, 2016 22:48

Slickdrac: Oct 5, 2007; Not allowed to have nice things

Harveygod posted:

Something that I think isn't mentioned when talking about the Chase(s), but I think is worth mentioning, is the overemphasis on its winner: it's not just the most important position, it's now the only important position.

ColonelJohnMatrix posted:

The #63 truck left for Eldora first thing this morning. Been a long week getting it ready. I did the graphics for it and can't wait to see it get tore up. The guys in the shop are hell bent on improving from the runner-up finish last year to winning the whole loving thing with Bobby Pierce returning to drive! Wish us luck goons.

Go get 'em! :getin:

EDIT:

CBJSprague24 posted:

Here's another article from Jeff Gluck where he surveyed fans on Twitter and Facebook as to why they stopped attending races:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nascar/2016/07/01/nascar-fans-attendance-cost/86587042/

Another good article from Gluck. At first, I was surprised that the rule changes turned so many away, especially since NASCAR seems so reactionary in what it does - for better or worse. Then I remembered how much I hate the Charter system.

Harveygod posted:

That's a great article. I was just about to share it.

NOTE: Read the following paragraph in Plinkett voice for full effect:

Something that I think isn't mentioned when talking about the Chase(s), but I think is worth mentioning, is the overemphasis on its winner: it's not just the most important position, it's now the only important position. There used to be interest in "who will finish the season in the top 5? The top 10?" There were multiple storylines happening throughout the field and everyone had something to gain/loose. Now the system is only to determine a champion: if a driver isn't in the top 2-4, they might as well pull over. That's why when a driver dominates a race now that it's more boring than it used to be: because there's literally nothing of consequence happening with the other 42 cars on the track to fill the time. None of it matters so it's boring. That was why I actually liked the Top-35 rule (though I think they should have made it a lower number). There used to be 43 drivers racing 42 other drivers, not 42 drivers trying to beat Jimmie Johnson.

This too. Watched the ESPN broadcast of the 2000 Sears Point race the other week and was surprised how many different drivers the broadcasters talked about and/or showed. By the end of the race, even though Jeff Gordon won just about uncontested, you left feeling like you knew what happened to just about everyone in the field. I'm once again eager to blame the broadcasters for this, but the rules really are to blame as well.

LASTCAR fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Jul 19, 2016

# ? Jul 19, 2016 23:31

LASTCAR: Mar 25, 2010; I like the drivers
you never hear about
in the cars
you never see
who finish in the position
you never want

EDIT: ack double post

# ? Jul 19, 2016 23:42

wicka: Jun 28, 2007

LASTCAR posted:

Another good article from Gluck. At first, I was surprised that the rule changes turned so many away, especially since NASCAR seems so reactionary in what it does - for better or worse. Then I remembered how much I hate the Charter system.

i just don't know what the charter system is, why it exists, and frankly, i really don't care to learn

# ? Jul 19, 2016 23:50

Feels Villeneuve: Oct 7, 2007; Setter is Better.

Harveygod posted:

That's a great article. I was just about to share it.

NOTE: Read the following paragraph in Plinkett voice for full effect:

Something that I think isn't mentioned when talking about the Chase(s), but I think is worth mentioning, is the overemphasis on its winner: it's not just the most important position, it's now the only important position. There used to be interest in "who will finish the season in the top 5? The top 10?" There were multiple storylines happening throughout the field and everyone had something to gain/loose. Now the system is only to determine a champion: if a driver isn't in the top 2-4, they might as well pull over. That's why when a driver dominates a race now that it's more boring than it used to be: because there's literally nothing of consequence happening with the other 42 cars on the track to fill the time. None of it matters so it's boring. That was why I actually liked the Top-35 rule (though I think they should have made it a lower number). There used to be 43 drivers racing 42 other drivers, not 42 drivers trying to beat Jimmie Johnson.

I always loved the bizarre dynamic where wins in the "regular season" were significantly more important than wins in the chase, though they at least changed that with the elimination system.

# ? Jul 20, 2016 00:01

Seizure Meat: Jul 23, 2008; by Smythe

Hopkins FBI posted:

Elvis Costello?

Smokey Yunick

# ? Jul 20, 2016 00:14

CBJSprague24: Dec 5, 2010; another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

wicka posted:

i just don't know what the charter system is, why it exists, and frankly, i really don't care to learn

Well, see, NASCAR wanted rid of S&Ps, so they created Top 35, but then there were more than 35 fully funded teams for a couple years, but they lost sponsors and/or folded so NASCAR was all " :smug:

" for a couple years until they randomly dropped it. Then, the car owners decided they'd had enough of NASCAR's poo poo and formed RTA, which was different from PDA because a France can tell drivers (who were the car owners) in 1969 to gently caress right off all he wants, but a France doing that in 2015 would result in a response of " :lol:

really?", so NASCAR gave them equity.

...in turn ruining any possible stimulation of creating new teams because what's the point if you're never going to get a Charter and its benefits, instead being stuck scurrying for what table scraps are left if you make it in the sport? Just to make sure nobody else steals from the Franchises, let's reduce the field by three cars each race because

CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Jul 20, 2016

# ? Jul 20, 2016 00:33

Feels Villeneuve: Oct 7, 2007; Setter is Better.

The charter system is JO material for those guys back in the mid-2000s who would constantly complain that start-and-parkers were ruining NASCAR.

# ? Jul 20, 2016 00:39

Seizure Meat: Jul 23, 2008; by Smythe

Alain Post posted:

The charter system is JO material for those guys back in the mid-2000s who would constantly complain that start-and-parkers were ruining NASCAR.

this thread was loaded with them

# ? Jul 20, 2016 00:49

daslog: Dec 10, 2008; #essereFerrari

I don't watch much of NASCAR after the first 2 months. I get bored watching it on TV and there is so much to do outside instead.

Why do I get bored? I'm not really 100% sure, but I know that the first 80% of the race doesn't really matter because NASCAR constantly resets the field with the wave arounds, lucky dogs, and caution flags that don't need to thrown. It's pretty rare that the top 15 guys are not on the lead lap at the finish, and that makes most of the race pointless to me.

I still hang around and read the NASCAR thread of course.

# ? Jul 20, 2016 00:52

LASTCAR: Mar 25, 2010; I like the drivers
you never hear about
in the cars
you never see
who finish in the position
you never want

Alain Post posted:

The charter system is JO material for those guys back in the mid-2000s who would constantly complain that start-and-parkers were ruining NASCAR.

It was even more galling that a lot of those folks rooted for drivers or teams that start-and-parked in the past.

# ? Jul 20, 2016 00:59

bigbillystyle: Nov 11, 2003; Stenhouse? Nah. It's Ricky Roundhouse now.

CBJSprague24 posted:

Didn't they do this already with Kenseth?

I thought they just docked regular season points and let the win stand? I'm not sure of how the point system works either I guess.

# ? Jul 20, 2016 02:45

ColonelJohnMatrix: Jun 24, 2006; Because all fucking hell is going to break loose

Truck was fifth in practice off the trailer and sixth tonight in session two. Gonna be a fun day tomorrow

# ? Jul 20, 2016 04:27

dentist toy box: Oct 9, 2012; There's a haint in the foothills of NC; the haint of the #3 chevy. The rich have formed a holy alliance to exorcise it but they'll never fucking catch him.

Kick rear end, I'm gonna be pulling for yall all the way after last year's race.

# ? Jul 20, 2016 04:48

kidcoelacanth: Sep 23, 2009

Gordon confirmed for Indy and Pocono, which will put him at 799 career starts just to gently caress with me.

# ? Jul 20, 2016 15:42

Harveygod: Jan 4, 2014; YEEAAH HEH HEH HEEEHH

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYIN

THIS TRASH WAR AIN'T GONNA SOLVE ITSELF YA KNOW

kidcoelacanth posted:

Gordon confirmed for Indy and Pocono, which will put him at 799 career starts just to gently caress with me.

He loses the "only driver to run his entire career consecutively with no gaps" record, though.

# ? Jul 20, 2016 15:49

CBJSprague24: Dec 5, 2010; another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

I'm going to arguably the best race in a NASCAR season tonight and I'm getting at least a two race encore for the only driver I've ever really been invested in in Cup who I figured I'd never see in a Cup race again.

...still not enough to get me to buy a ticket to Indianapolis, but nonetheless, IT'S A GOOD DAY, YES IT IS. :getin:

kidcoelacanth posted:

Gordon confirmed for Indy and Pocono, which will put him at 799 career starts just to gently caress with me.

And had he not been in France, it could have been 800. :negative:

# ? Jul 20, 2016 16:16

wicka: Jun 28, 2007

kidcoelacanth posted:

Gordon confirmed for Indy and Pocono, which will put him at 799 career starts just to gently caress with me.

well that is certainly a terrible, terrible sign

# ? Jul 20, 2016 16:20

Seizure Meat: Jul 23, 2008; by Smythe

Jr. is done, I'm calling it now

# ? Jul 20, 2016 16:30

kidcoelacanth: Sep 23, 2009

VikingSkull posted:

Jr. is done, I'm calling it now

You called it last week, you can't do that twice :colbert:

I can see him finishing out this season but yeah none of this is a particularly great sign. Gonna be a MASSIVE blow for NASCAR if they lose him too, that's your here biggest stars gone in two years.

# ? Jul 20, 2016 16:33

ColonelJohnMatrix: Jun 24, 2006; Because all fucking hell is going to break loose

VikingSkull posted:

Jr. is done, I'm calling it now

Getting this vibe as well. Maybe not done, but I'd reckon the end is near.

# ? Jul 20, 2016 16:34

CBJSprague24: Dec 5, 2010; another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

I'd hate losing Jr more than I'll like getting to see a Jeff Gordon encore. I had three possible new favorites in the top 3 late at Pocono and Jr was the one I genuinely wanted to see win.

This has an Ernie Irvan feel to it.

# ? Jul 20, 2016 16:43

mischief: Jun 3, 2003

I think Junior could be very successful if he got more involved in the ownership side but I've been cheering for that moron for over a decade now.

No idea who I'd cheer for when he quits driving.

# ? Jul 20, 2016 17:41

wicka: Jun 28, 2007

mischief posted:

I think Junior could be very successful if he got more involved in the ownership side but I've been cheering for that moron for over a decade now.

No idea who I'd cheer for when he quits driving.

repurpose all your Junior merchandise on Team Truex

# ? Jul 20, 2016 17:53

ColonelJohnMatrix: Jun 24, 2006; Because all fucking hell is going to break loose

If NASCAR has a problem now, imagine JR retiring. That'll surely help the gate at all tracks!

# ? Jul 20, 2016 18:23

Norns: Nov 21, 2011; Senior Shitposting Strategist

ColonelJohnMatrix posted:

If NASCAR has a problem now, imagine JR retiring. That'll surely help the gate at all tracks!

Hasn't he been the fan favorite for like a decade?

Also who's this Martin Truex Jr guy? Is that the guy in Cole Pearn's car?

# ? Jul 20, 2016 18:29

kidcoelacanth: Sep 23, 2009

Imagine the unluckiest motherfucker you know. That's Martin Truex.

# ? Jul 20, 2016 18:31

Harveygod: Jan 4, 2014; YEEAAH HEH HEH HEEEHH

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYIN

THIS TRASH WAR AIN'T GONNA SOLVE ITSELF YA KNOW

Norns posted:

Hasn't he been the fan favorite for like a decade?

A decade and a half. With Stewart and Gordon gone, who's even left?

# ? Jul 20, 2016 18:34

kidcoelacanth: Sep 23, 2009

It's Landon Cassill's time to shine.

This is not a joke post

# ? Jul 20, 2016 19:06

Peanut President: Nov 5, 2008; by Athanatos

Harveygod posted:

"Good afternoon, welcome to raceday. I'm perma-retired driver Kylestomper45..."

I appreciate this post.

# ? Jul 20, 2016 19:41

CBJSprague24: Dec 5, 2010; another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

Potential new title sponsors for Cup:

quote:

In October 2015, SportsBusiness Journal indicated that the following companies had been pitched on the title sponsorship: Panasonic, LG, Coca-Cola, Goodyear, Comcast and Hisense, with Hisense showing the most interest at that time. Hinese would fall into the latter, international category described by O'Connell.(Forbes)(7-19-2016)

NASCAR has apparently courted a couple companies for title sponsorship to replace Sprint only to do this:

quote:

It's expected he would paint a rosy picture but sources have confirmed some companies have actually been declined by NASCAR because it wasn't a good business decision.

Harveygod posted:

A decade and a half. With Stewart and Gordon gone, who's even left?

The fan vote Top 10 (alpabetical order) with one week left to vote last year:
#18-Kyle Busch
~~#88-Dale Earnhardt Jr.~~?
#19-Carl Edwards
~~#24-Jeff Gordon~~
#4-Kevin Harvick
#48-Jimmie Johnson
#5-Kasey Kahne
#20-Matt Kenseth
#10-Danica Patrick
~~#14-Tony Stewart~~

I think Danica was 3rd one year behind Jr and Gordon. Of that list, Harvick, Jimmie, and Kenseth are all over 40.

# ? Jul 20, 2016 19:56

mischief: Jun 3, 2003

I guess I could start cheering for Kyle for maximum irony.

# ? Jul 20, 2016 19:58

njsykora: Jan 23, 2012; Robots confuse squirrels.

The idea of a Chinese company like Hisense sponsoring Nascar is hilarious.

# ? Jul 20, 2016 20:29

wicka: Jun 28, 2007

njsykora posted:

The idea of a Chinese company like Hisense sponsoring Nascar is hilarious.

i assumed that was the "not a good business decision" company

# ? Jul 20, 2016 20:31

CactusWeasle: Aug 1, 2006; It's not a party until the bomb squad says it is

wicka posted:

i assumed that was the "not a good business decision" company

I would have thought that would be Goodyear :v:

# ? Jul 20, 2016 21:10

Top Hats Monthly: Jun 22, 2011; People are people so why should it be, that you and I should get along so awfully blink blink recall STOP IT YOU POSH LITTLE SHIT

Holy hell is it Eldora tonight?

# ? Jul 20, 2016 22:50

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# ? May 30, 2024 00:32

Seizure Meat: Jul 23, 2008; by Smythe

njsykora posted:

The idea of a Chinese company like Hisense sponsoring Nascar is hilarious.

check out this guy that thinks corporations have nationalism

# ? Jul 20, 2016 23:13

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