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So this appears to be Owen Smith's poverty-experience in Surrey https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/756128723900985344
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Trial is over and verdict returned. But holy poo poo do I need a hug
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TheRat posted:So this appears to be Owen Smith's poverty-experience in Surrey On the one hand lol, on the other hand Guido.
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Jul 21, 2016 16:28
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Prince John posted:No, but class traitor isn't a particularly helpful way to define someone who's moved to another part of the country for work. I know it isn't what you mean, but it just makes it sound like a doctrine of keeping the Welsh poor where they belong - in poverty in Wales. Worth saying that Owen Smith is the son of historian. Not exactly a hard upbringing.
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Trial is over and verdict returned. But holy poo poo do I need a hug  Feel better soon mate.
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Trial is over and verdict returned. But holy poo poo do I need a hug what trial?
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Trial is over and verdict returned. But holy poo poo do I need a hug 
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Friendly Humour posted:what trial? He had jury duty. Seems it was something horrible.
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Jul 21, 2016 16:32
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Civil Juries are a universally terrible idea.
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Jul 21, 2016 16:34
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And now people in this thread are approvingly quoting Paul Stains. This Labour leadership election gets weirder every day
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Jul 21, 2016 16:35
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Trial is over and verdict returned. But holy poo poo do I need a hug you got off it's okay, you're home now
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That joke crops up in this thread more than smears on Corbyn crop up in the Guardian.
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Jul 21, 2016 16:37
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Tesseraction posted:He had jury duty. Seems it was something horrible. It wasn't the worst, but it was definitely not something you want to hear for three days
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Cerv posted:And now people in this thread are approvingly quoting Paul Stains. This Labour leadership election gets weirder every day Not even Staines himself, one of his unpleasant acolytes.
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Cerv posted:And now people in this thread are approvingly quoting Paul Stains. This Labour leadership election gets weirder every day Hey we were approvingly quoting the Daily Mail thanks to the pigfucking rumour.
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Trial is over and verdict returned. But holy poo poo do I need a hug Sending best wishes in your direction. If it's really hit you badly, don't be shy about getting HMCS to put you in touch with someone to talk to. Thanks for doing your bit for the justice system I guess. 
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Jul 21, 2016 16:57
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JFairfax posted:you got off it's okay, you're home now alas, I'm back in on Monday for something new but hopefully I will be discharged on that day. I don't think I could do another case of this type
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Jul 21, 2016 17:01
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Years ago I went out to take some bags to the bin, as I get closer I can see someone going through my bin, outraged I run down to it as fast as I can. Once at the bin I realise that it's Jeremy Corbyn, who appeared to be splitting bin bags open and pulling out old banana peels and other thrown out food. For a second he stops, looks up and stares at me like a rabbit caught in headlights, before returning to the bin. Eventually after a good five minutes he steps back and closes the lid, a mound of used food cradled in his arm. As he starts to walk away he turns around to look at me and says "No one will ever believe you", disappearing into the night.
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You shouldn't encourage wild Corbyns - they're untameable. But at least they're not as bad as urban Liam foxes - tipping over the bins, advocating genocide, making GBS threads on the lawn, and spraying everywhere.
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Looke posted:Years ago I went out to take some bags to the bin, as I get closer I can see someone going through my bin, outraged I run down to it as fast as I can. Once at the bin I realise that it's Jeremy Corbyn, who appeared to be splitting bin bags open and pulling out old banana peels and other thrown out food. For a second he stops, looks up and stares at me like a rabbit caught in headlights, before returning to the bin. Eventually after a good five minutes he steps back and closes the lid, a mound of used food cradled in his arm. As he starts to walk away he turns around to look at me and says "No one will ever believe you", disappearing into the night. this is bad for jeremy corbyn
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TheRat posted:So this appears to be Owen Smith's poverty-experience in Surrey Wouldn't the having lived in Surrey but be that he saw how much better off people there were than in Wales? Or am I just giving him too much credit?
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Pesky Splinter posted:You shouldn't encourage wild Corbyns - they're untameable. But at least they're not as bad as urban Liam foxes - tipping over the bins, advocating genocide, making GBS threads on the lawn, and spraying everywhere.
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Trial is over and verdict returned. But holy poo poo do I need a hug Sounds bad mate, hope Monday brings something less heavy or the declaration that you've done your duty. Also thank you, your service is appreciated citizen.
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Jul 21, 2016 17:19
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Prince John posted:No, but class traitor isn't a particularly helpful way to define someone who's moved to another part of the country for work. I know it isn't what you mean, but it just makes it sound like a doctrine of keeping the Welsh poor where they belong - in poverty in Wales. leaving home for work is something all working class people do. Staying in leafy suburbs in sussex, getting rich off exploiting the sick and doing nothing to help the lot of your friends and family back home: he doesn't belong in wales, he belongs against a wall.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Wouldn't the having lived in Surrey but be that he saw how much better off people there were than in Wales? Or am I just giving him too much credit? That's pretty clearly what he meant but somehow only you and PJ and I are interpreting it like that 
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Prince John posted:Sending best wishes in your direction. I think I'll probably do this tomorrow. Hopefully a good night's sleep will make me feel a little better
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Friendly Humour posted:Civil Juries are a universally terrible idea.
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ronya posted:tbf there really are a lot of people who like centrism as long as it's not packaged as centrism or compromise I mean in the sense that it is not necessarily wrong to hold a position that a centrist may hold, just because a centrist held it, but I would say that it pretty definitely is objectionable to be committed to centrism. So holding a fairly moderate opinion because you think it is the most sensible thing to achieve your end goal is fine, but holding a moderate opinion because you think it's in the middle of the possible opinions and will appeal to the most people is really stupid and not at all an indicator of a worthwhile government.
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Renaissance Robot posted:That's pretty clearly what he meant but somehow only you and PJ and I are interpreting it like that he has no intention or policies aimed at helping the poor and worked for a private pharmaceutical company that failed. On top of this, he's trying to oust the only socialist leader Labour have had in a very long time. 
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ultrabindu posted:https://twitter.com/NursingTimes/status/756126875840286720 Was it really though? Or was it an example of evil Stalinism in action? Did it not crush the spirit of the hard working individual, forcing them into soulless collectivism? By not forcing people to choose between bankruptcy or medical treatment did it not in fact destroy entrepreneurial spirit and encourage workshy scroungers to take days off work to have cancer treatment? Is giving medication and therapy to the mentally ill to allow them to live a normal life actually more humane than forced euthanasia? Makes you think. So Owen Jones has done one of his sit-down interviews with Lisa Nandy on his Youtube channel. She makes some confusing claims. After the chicken coup started she says she went to Jeremy Corbyn to beg him to reshuffle the shadow cabinet to make it more inclusive. But didn't he originally ask people like Liz Kendall to join & they refused? And wasn't his shadow cabinet always actually covering a wide selection of the Labour Party? I've not seen the whole thing but figured others might be interested.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Wouldn't the having lived in Surrey but be that he saw how much better off people there were than in Wales? Or am I just giving him too much credit? It's still a profoundly stupid point. "I lived and worked with rich people so I clearly have a better understanding of inequality than someone who just works with poors and eats cold beans out of a can"
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Renaissance Robot posted:That's pretty clearly what he meant but somehow only you and PJ and I are interpreting it like that  I shall dare a no content post:http://www.tubechop.com/watch/8198969 Best Disney cartoon character. Prince John fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Jul 21, 2016 |
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So are you guys getting annoyed at all those nagging studies that show the NHS is the most effective and efficient health care system in the world or what's the deal here
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forkboy84 posted:Was it really though? Or was it an example of evil Stalinism in action? Did it not crush the spirit of the hard working individual, forcing them into soulless collectivism? By not forcing people to choose between bankruptcy or medical treatment did it not in fact destroy entrepreneurial spirit and encourage workshy scroungers to take days off work to have cancer treatment? Is giving medication and therapy to the mentally ill to allow them to live a normal life actually more humane than forced euthanasia? My best guess is that a lot of them believed the spin from the core group of plotters - that the shad cab wasn't inclusive, that Corbyn was a horrible person, etc etc. The shad cab being noninclusive in particular makes me wonder about this - it was the single most inclusive cabinet, shadow or otherwise, to date. But what the centrists mean by noninclusive is 'not centrist enough'. The bit about 'got to hold the centre' in particular is stupid. You've only 'got to hold the centre' by centrist philosophy. At this point, the centre is firmly held by the Tories, so desperately clinging to it isn't helping. thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Jul 21, 2016 |
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Heavy neutrino posted:So are you guys getting annoyed at all those nagging studies that show the NHS is the most effective and efficient health care system in the world or what's the deal here But is it profitable???
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Heavy neutrino posted:So are you guys getting annoyed at all those nagging studies that show the NHS is the most effective and efficient health care system in the world or what's the deal here It might be the most effective and efficient at providing healthcare to the population at large, and it might even have a large multiplier effect by increasing the health of the general population, but where's the part where investors make money out of it?
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Heavy neutrino posted:So are you guys getting annoyed at all those nagging studies that show the NHS is the most effective and efficient health care system in the world or what's the deal here No we all think it's great and wish people would stop looking at America and thinking "We need more of THAT!"
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Spangly A posted:leaving home for work is something all working class people do. Staying in leafy suburbs in sussex, getting rich off exploiting the sick and doing nothing to help the lot of your friends and family back home: he doesn't belong in wales, he belongs against a wall. Posts like this really bring home how enourmous the spectrum of 'left' is and how wishy washy my leftist beliefs are in comparison. There is a part of me that wishes I had your strength of conviction. Now, I'm very ambivalent about Owen Smith, and will be voting for Corbyn, but I still think that's unfair. It's arguably quite difficult to get a job in a megacorp without indirectly participating in some form of societal damage, but it doesn't mean that society would be better off had he personally remained jobless or found an alternative role. As someone in Smith's camp pointed out today, there are tens of thousands of Unite members working for the pharma industry. Presumably he would argue that he joined the Labour party to help the lot of his friends and family back home - I don't think he's the monster you're painting him as. ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:I think I'll probably do this tomorrow. Hopefully a good night's sleep will make me feel a little better As well as speaking to someone at the court, the Samaritans are pretty awesome and have done joint projects with the Courts Service before so not a bad port of call.
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Spangly A posted:he has no intention or policies aimed at helping the poor and worked for a private pharmaceutical company that failed. On top of this, he's trying to oust the only socialist leader Labour have had in a very long time. No I mean the fact that he's an out of touch oval office comes through perfectly clearly even if you read him saying what he means. Please don't imagine I'm in any way trying to defend him. OvineYeast posted:It's still a profoundly stupid point. "I lived and worked with rich people so I clearly have a better understanding of inequality than someone who just works with poors and eats cold beans out of a can" Yes exactly
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