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Voyager I posted:Yeah, a 2/3 flash Flyer Lord is pretty solid. It'd be way better as a 3 drop but even at 4 mana that's probably still standard playable. Alternatively, you could run Gideon and choose to make an unkillable anthem, a giant threat, or a grindy knight producing machine.
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suicidesteve posted:I have yet to see any evidence that it's actually good. What would it take for you to believe that its good exactly?
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Sickening posted:What would it take for you to believe that its good exactly? Playing against it/seeing it played and feeling like it actually had a chance to win.
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Jul 22, 2016 06:47
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Elyv posted:Alternatively, you could run Gideon and choose to make an unkillable anthem, a giant threat, or a grindy knight producing machine. In the interest of continuing to argue for the virtues of a dumb card, I'll point to the fact that Gideon is sorcery speed. +1 for the drake. Take that, internet.
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Jul 22, 2016 07:15
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suicidesteve posted:Playing against it/seeing it played and feeling like it actually had a chance to win. It does the draw go thing pretty well, the side board is what really makes that deck shine in modern. Having Jeskai colors mean you can hate out basically the other tier 1 decks in modern while still able to put a good clock on the board. I like the Mardu version though, even though it's probably not very good, it does look fun as hell to play, especially since it uses Painful Truths instead of Ancestral Visions, which can draw you 3 almost any time in the game. Although it's a non-bo with Goblin Dank Memers where Ancestral Visions is really good with Dank :/
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Voyager I posted:I can't tell if we're being ironic or not but I'd be alright with an Angler ban to shakeup the format. I think Angler is important to give control decks a big beefy beater that can end games, since otherwise you're pushing people towards the awful creatureless Teachings deck that wins with Evincar's Justice and Pristine Talisman. It isn't like MBC is the boogeyman that just crushes everything because of their sweet 5/5 - they have Marshmist Titan if they really wanted a big beater, while also allowing them to run Spinning Darkness. Also, there are other Delve creatures that aren't that far away from Angler. Mulldrifter is probably too strong, but not oppressively so, and it gives grindy decks a reason to exist. It isn't like Mulldrifter is keeping all the non-blue grindy decks down - Kuldotha Boros is a perfectly reasonable deck, it just gains a lot by lightly splashing blue. If Mulldrifter gets banned, it isn't like there's a whole lot of other grindy decks just waiting for the blue grindy decks to get weakened before they can take over. Banning Mulldrifter would just weaken stuff like my Flicker Rats deck or the Drake decks or the multiple Kor Skyfisher decks or the BUG Grim Harvest deck, without there actually being a reason to weaken those decks. If you want to beat them, you can always just play Stompy. Drake needs to go for obvious reasons. Delver should probably have a hard looking at because Mono Blue Delver was taking a wide portion of the metagame before Drake dropped and Delver just goes into random blue decks because blindflipping Delvers are kind of overpowered. suicidesteve posted:Playing against it/seeing it played and feeling like it actually had a chance to win. The Jeskai Nahiri decks that don't bother with Ancestral Visions seem adequate if you have a known metagame, since they can be tuned to beat whatever you need. Ancestral Visions is a terrible card in Modern - I would prefer to not have dead draws in my deck that, under the best conditions, become active on turn 5.
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Jul 22, 2016 07:37
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keeblerdrow posted:In the interest of continuing to argue for the virtues of a dumb card, I'll point to the fact that Gideon is sorcery speed. Gideon is Sorcery Speed, while the Drake can generate the anthem effect the turn it comes down while still leaving a 2/3 flying body behind. Gideon is also going to be fairly bad in a deck that doesn't otherwise care about attacking on the ground.
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Jul 22, 2016 07:51
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suicidesteve posted:Playing against it/seeing it played and feeling like it actually had a chance to win. It feels very much like scapeshift to me. I don't know how well it handles a tempo-based grixis deck, but it's been problematic for my r/g valakut deck.
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Jul 22, 2016 08:22
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Voyager I posted:Yeah, a 2/3 flash Flyer Lord is pretty solid. It'd be way better as a 3 drop but even at 4 mana that's probably still standard playable. The fact it doesn't trigger any of the other spirits is why it isn't good.
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Banning Mulldrifter is quite reactionary and will also make a ton of matchups just way more grindy for no really good reason. I see basically zero upside.
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Angry Grimace posted:The fact it doesn't trigger any of the other spirits is why it isn't good. It doesn't trigger the herald, but it buffs the cursecatcher anyway, and since it already has flash it doesn't matter for Rattlechains. I'm not sure what else you're playing that cares about spirits hitting the battlefield specifically? Essence Flux maybe?
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Hellsau posted:The Jeskai Nahiri decks that don't bother with Ancestral Visions seem adequate if you have a known metagame, since they can be tuned to beat whatever you need. Ancestral Visions is a terrible card in Modern - I would prefer to not have dead draws in my deck that, under the best conditions, become active on turn 5. Normally, I agree with you, but the amount of advantage a turn 1 Vision can provide is insane. And Nahiri is a looter, so it isn't completely dead when you can just toss it for a Dank Dwellers flashback. You're right in that it is a card that gets sided out a lot. But, of course, I'm still new with the deck and haven't had many match ups with it.
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So apparently there was a pretty sweet magic bubble slapfight going on in the high-end magic facebook group, started by no other than dan bock. Some really choice quotes in therequote:there is little incentive for the chinese to actually produce a good fake. quote:People love arguing about if something is a bubble or not. Everyone wants to be a prophet. There's precedent either way. quote:But how do you know Magic card prices are in a bubble? Are prices of Magic cards driven by "greed and fast money" (as you put it) or by the fact that there are now 12 million Magic players worldwide but still only 22,000 Black Lotuses?[...same guy...]I disagree. ALL of those 12 million people [estimated total players who play magic] are interested in buying a Lotus: if it cost $5. The reason it's actually $5,000 is that's the price at which enough people stop being able to afford it that demand exactly equals supply. That's how prices are set. If another 12 million people take up Magic, the price of Black Lotus will rise again. If people start giving the game up, the price will fall. quote:Actually if all the people were educated that black lotus is as rare as it is, then they would eant to have a piece of that action. Thats about 6 bilyun people. And each wouldnt mind having extra lol quote:I think the biggest thing people can do to secure mtg investments is to grow the player base while eventually funneling players into eternal formats. and of course: quote:This very point has been mentioned a few weeks back by Travis Woo on YouTube. When you compare Lotus price with MtG estimated player growth: it overlaps perfectly.
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Jul 22, 2016 14:04
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suicidesteve posted:Playing against it/seeing it played and feeling like it actually had a chance to win. I am sorry you never get to play against anyone competent with it. It is a very solid t1.5 deck with some very solid matchups in the meta.
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After listening to the LR rare set review, I'm a bit concerned that EMN might be a FRF ridiculous bombs format
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Jul 22, 2016 14:32
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Chill la Chill posted:This very point has been mentioned a few weeks back by Travis Woo on YouTube. When you compare Lotus price with MtG estimated player growth: it overlaps perfectly. Or it could just be them both going up over time. Correlation does not imply causation.
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I'm going to be hitting up a modern PPTQ and probably GP Indy in the next month. Between Infect, Affinity, Abzan Coco, bushwacker zoo, burn, bant eldrazi, and eldrazi taxes (lol no), what deck do you think is better for an open field? I'm leaning towards infect, zoo, or abzan Coco. Infect is what I've been practicing with for now, but I am hesitant about dealing with Jeskai Nahiri, which local spikes seem to love playing lately because it's the closest thing to control and spikes love loving control decks.
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Jul 22, 2016 15:11
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I'm looking for Nahiris for Restore (nahiri's) Balance
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I've always enjoyed that balance is one of the most perfectly misnamed cards of all time.
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ShaneB posted:I'm going to be hitting up a modern PPTQ and probably GP Indy in the next month. Between Infect, Affinity, Abzan Coco, bushwacker zoo, burn, bant eldrazi, and eldrazi taxes (lol no), what deck do you think is better for an open field? I'm leaning towards infect, zoo, or abzan Coco. Infect is what I've been practicing with for now, but I am hesitant about dealing with Jeskai Nahiri, which local spikes seem to love playing lately because it's the closest thing to control and spikes love loving control decks. Infect is just a very consistent deck and if you have it you should play it. I don't really think the jeskai matchup is that bad game 2/3 and you force your jeskai opponent to have all the removal game 1. I find that outside of a turn 1 agent, you just need to gameplan to go a turn slower so you can hold up vines/blessing/pierce/dispel. The good news is that it is probably your worst matchup and you probably won't even see it. Playing infect also means that your matches won't last forever which I enjoy a lot.
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Zemyla posted:Or it could just be them both going up over time. Correlation does not imply causation. You don't "get" Twoo, do you?
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Zemyla posted:Or it could just be them both going up over time. Correlation does not imply causation. there's a correlation between CO2 emmisions increasing and the global temperature rising but hey i guess you can't imply causation for that i agree with you but i've always hated this phrase, we use correlations to make hypotheses all the time if they're strong enough
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Sickening posted:Infect is just a very consistent deck and if you have it you should play it. I don't really think the jeskai matchup is that bad game 2/3 and you force your jeskai opponent to have all the removal game 1. I find that outside of a turn 1 agent, you just need to gameplan to go a turn slower so you can hold up vines/blessing/pierce/dispel. Yeah, I never play a super mentally taxing deck at a tournament. I'm not a particularly fast player in the first place, so I just go hard in the paint and enjoy my breaks. The thought of running Eldrazi Taxes for an entire GP makes me want to die. If I had the devotion for more reps where actions and playlines became automatic, that would be another thing, but I'm a casual scrub who would rather watch Stranger Things on Netflix.
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sorry zemyla, those are apparently my trigger words when i've gone a long time without sleep
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mandatory lesbian posted:dont you remember the one guy who got real buttmad that she asks simplistic questions, cause apparently helping newer players understand the game is really bad to be completely fair people have been complaining about Rich Hagon for this exact reason for years so at least mtg players are consistently retarded
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ShaneB posted:I'm going to be hitting up a modern PPTQ and probably GP Indy in the next month. Between Infect, Affinity, Abzan Coco, bushwacker zoo, burn, bant eldrazi, and eldrazi taxes (lol no), what deck do you think is better for an open field? I'm leaning towards infect, zoo, or abzan Coco. Infect is what I've been practicing with for now, but I am hesitant about dealing with Jeskai Nahiri, which local spikes seem to love playing lately because it's the closest thing to control and spikes love loving control decks. If you've been practicing with Infect then I agree that you should play it. I've found that playing a deck you know really well is just a good as having a deck that's a good meta call, especially if you're playing a long event where you're going to get fatigued and sloppy eventually.
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C-Euro posted:If you've been practicing with Infect then I agree that you should play it. I've found that playing a deck you know really well is just a good as having a deck that's a good meta call, especially if you're playing a long event where you're going to get fatigued and sloppy eventually. Modern is still fairly deck flexible if you understand the archetypes. That said Infect is probably the best deck in the format so yeah play that.
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Skyl3lazer posted:Modern is still fairly deck flexible if you understand the archetypes. That said Infect is probably the best deck in the format so yeah play that. I'd argue it is Jund is the best deck, but you really cannot go wrong with infect.
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ShaneB posted:I'm going to be hitting up a modern PPTQ and probably GP Indy in the next month. Between Infect, Affinity, Abzan Coco, bushwacker zoo, burn, bant eldrazi, and eldrazi taxes (lol no), what deck do you think is better for an open field? I'm leaning towards infect, zoo, or abzan Coco. Infect is what I've been practicing with for now, but I am hesitant about dealing with Jeskai Nahiri, which local spikes seem to love playing lately because it's the closest thing to control and spikes love loving control decks. I've spoken to a few pros about Modern and they said the only decks you should be playing in Modern are Infect or Suicide Zoo. Not the best decks, the only decks. heh
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mcmagic posted:I've spoken to a few pros about Modern and they said the only decks you should be playing in Modern are Infect or Suicide Zoo. Not the best decks, the only decks. heh I want to play Suicide Zoo but I slept too long on Mishra's Baubles...
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I dunno about these dummy aggro decks, p. sure Grixis Delver is the most fun I've had playing magic in ten years.
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stinkles1112 posted:I dunno about these dummy aggro decks, p. sure Grixis Delver is the most fun I've had playing magic in ten years. Eldrazi Taxes for me. It's a fun blend of aggro and making your opponent miserable. I'm tempted to have Mana Tithe in the SB just to mess with people.
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stinkles1112 posted:I dunno about these dummy aggro decks, p. sure Grixis Delver is the most fun I've had playing magic in ten years. I don't understand how Delver could be fun in Modern. I just want no part of that card without Brainstorm or Ponder. As for Zoo/Infect the logic is that the Phyrexian Mana cards are broken so you want to be abusing them and those decks do that best.
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Star Man posted:I'm trying to build up to BW Tokens Why?
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ShaneB posted:Why? It's cheap-ish?
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Hahaha, Maro's corporate masters are making him sign all his blog posts with a hashtag indicating he's a Wizards employee.
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Logicblade posted:It doesn't trigger the herald, but it buffs the cursecatcher anyway, and since it already has flash it doesn't matter for Rattlechains. I'm not sure what else you're playing that cares about spirits hitting the battlefield specifically? Essence Flux maybe? Herald is how you win the game.
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mcmagic posted:I don't understand how Delver could be fun in Modern. I just want no part of that card without Brainstorm or Ponder. As for Zoo/Infect the logic is that the Phyrexian Mana cards are broken so you want to be abusing them and those decks do that best. Ponder is too busted for modern, meanwhile CoCo players are popping out 6 cmc in creatures for 4 mana at instant speed. 
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Uh, Ponder is blue and Collected Company is green???? There's no way a green card is more powerful than a blue card I mean do you even play this game??? smh
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