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Onmi posted:There's also the preview out of Captain Marvel debriefing her by saying "Bruce Banner is dead" and Jen somehow forgetting that she knew Bruce lost his powers as The Hulk Bruce Banner? My COUSIN, Bruce Banner? No, Jen. Bruce Timothy Banner, the accountant from fifth. Who the gently caress else did you think it was going to be? Onmi posted:Just pure art. I'm so glad for this event. Oh man they're straight up Minority Reporting them, now. At least in the Spidey spin he waited for the crime to actually commence. That said, there's no way Captain Marvel will 'lose' this conflict, so I'm interested to see the endgame here, trainwreck unable to look away etc 
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Jul 22, 2016 15:49
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WAR FOOT posted:Bruce Banner? My COUSIN, Bruce Banner? Ulysees kills or blinds himself and then Carol gets to lecture Tony about how he destroyed the life of an innocent who just wanted to help by being paranoid, then a giant invasion happens that Ulysees was on the verge of seeing and Tony dies during it, proving ultimately Carol was correct. Or ya know, something stupid like that.
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Jul 22, 2016 15:59
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Yeah, the things we know are that at the end of all this Tony will be off the board (whether dead or in hiding or in space or whatever), Carol will be "the most famous superhero in the world" (though again famous/infamous could be either), and Ulysses has to be gone, because his power is too plot-loving to remain around.
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Jul 22, 2016 16:13
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Tony will go insane and kill Ulysses and vanish/be killed leaving a pre-insanity version to be the hologram mentor of Riri. That's my wild prediction. I don't think Captain Marvel will walk away from this looking at all worse than 'made some bad choices but it won't be held against her' "X goes Insane" is also known as The Blizzard Plot
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Jul 22, 2016 16:25
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They should do a spin off with Bruce and Xavier and a bunch of other dudes who have powers that nominally should bring them back from the dead instantly, and how they just hosed off to the middle of nowhere to hang out and dodge super powered bullshit.
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Jul 22, 2016 16:46
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Xavier did that with Magneto in that crappy Excalibur book after Avengers Disassembled.
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Jul 22, 2016 17:11
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They figure out Ulysses' master plan and Nick Fury and Maria Hill hide behind some clairvoyant proof glass, until he confesses and they step in to arrest him.WAR FOOT posted:Tony will go insane and kill Ulysses and vanish/be killed leaving a pre-insanity version to be the hologram mentor of Riri. That's my wild prediction. The opportunity to have Tony be her Jarvis AI shouldn't be passed up.
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Jul 22, 2016 17:36
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I haven't been reading Civil War 2, are we supposed to side with Carol on this? Because if so, Marvel is now two for two on making the side they want us to go with look like the wrong side.
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Jul 22, 2016 18:18
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No, I think they're still claiming it's meant to be ambiguous, but I'm pretty sure the idea is Iron Man is 'right'.
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Jul 22, 2016 18:32
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Much like Civil War 1, a lot of tie-ins are jumping the gun as to who's right or wrong and by how much. I am so not stoked for another 8 years of heroes not trusting each other once this is over.
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Jul 22, 2016 18:36
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It's kind of amazing to me that a 2.5 hour movie which has to devote half of it's time to having Superheroes fight still manages to present 2 compelling sides of an issue, whereas TWO comic series, which feature half a dozen tie-ins and dozens of pages of exposition can't. You'd think it wouldn't be that hard given the comparatively more time they could possibly spend on writing the conflict out for the comic, and yet here we are staring at 3 pages of a group of theoretically rational and moral individuals decided to guantanamo a kid in high school. I know Superhero comics are suppose to be a bit hyperbolic but for gently caress's sake.
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Jul 22, 2016 19:02
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Roth posted:I haven't been reading Civil War 2, are we supposed to side with Carol on this? Going solely by the event book, yeah, Carol is right and Tony is a whiny baby. Going by tie-ins, its a bit more grey.
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Jul 22, 2016 19:12
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Gaz-L posted:No, I think they're still claiming it's meant to be ambiguous, but I'm pretty sure the idea is Iron Man is 'right'. They had to go way out of their way to make Tony not come off as instantly right about people getting arrested for things they didn't do. Including never having Tony mention that they are sending people to jail for things they didn't do, it just a whole bunch of gobedlygook about "The future has to happen or it's not the future, I know I'm a futurist."
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Jul 22, 2016 19:19
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SirDan3k posted:They had to go way out of their way to make Tony not come off as instantly right about people getting arrested for things they didn't do. And also having him be super upset that Carol has the gall to bring his best friend the career soldier on a mission to stop Thanos from getting a Cosmic Cube, when clearly she should have ignored the intel and just...let him get the Cube? It's definitely gotten more reasonable in issue 3 but prior to that he was just completely illogical.
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Jul 22, 2016 19:22
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There's been a bunch of future-seeing characters before and none of them led to minority report bullshit.
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Jul 22, 2016 19:22
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Lurdiak posted:There's been a bunch of future-seeing characters before and none of them led to minority report bullshit. None of them had handwavey "immune to mindreading" stuff making them unverifiable, either. Tony's actual point, which it took him way too long to verbalize, is that we shouldn't trust these visions because for all we know Ulysses is a Doombot or Kang or some other evil thing leading us to death. He even says in 3 I think that everyone agrees they should listen to him when he says an extinction level event is coming, in direct opposition to him being mad they went to go fight Thanos. Its everything short of that he's against, which is a very reasonable position to take.
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Jul 22, 2016 19:27
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Roth posted:I haven't been reading Civil War 2, are we supposed to side with Carol on this? Which side looks like the "right" side exactly? One side is full Minority Report, and the other side is pretty much performing acts of war on an entire species over an idiotic hissy fit.
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Boogaleeboo posted:They should do a spin off with Bruce and Xavier and a bunch of other dudes who have powers that nominally should bring them back from the dead instantly, and how they just hosed off to the middle of nowhere to hang out and dodge super powered bullshit. "What if: The Avengers Got Sent to the Farm"
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Jul 22, 2016 19:37
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SilverSupernova posted:Which side looks like the "right" side exactly? I imagine the eureka moment during the pitch meeting involved someone jumping to their feet, sending their chair clattering across the room and exclaiming "We can make both sides unconscionable assholes!" and then a slow clap builds into raucous applause and deafaning cheers.
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Jul 22, 2016 19:59
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I...don't like this? Even as a standalone story, divorced from the expectations of being a tie-in event...it's very heavy-handed. Almost arbitrarily so, and maybe even to the point of being out-of-character for Kamala. The whole "no lawyer" thing seems to be nonsensically thrown in just to make this seem as unsupportable as possible, y'know, just in case we didn't get the point yet. As an in-universe tie-in to the Civil War II event, this is an awful representation of the situation and circumstances surrounding that plot. I'm reminded of Luke Cage being attacked in his home despite nothing in the main book (or anywhere else) saying that's how the SHRA works, or Spider-Man getting told the exact opposite information in two different books that are supposed to depict the same scene. In this context it's almost even more jarring, if at all possible, because up until this point there's been no mention of any new laws or regulations whatsoever about pre-crimes in this or any other book.
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Jul 22, 2016 20:25
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Roxane Gay is writing a Wakanda book about the Dora Milaje, making her the first ever black woman writer at Marvel.
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Jul 22, 2016 21:09
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BrianWilly posted:I...don't like this? It's not like the thing can work with laywers existing. No lawyer in the world is going to go "So you arrested my juvenile client on charges from an unsubstantiated report from a single individual who claims his psychic powers told him so?" without seeing green dollar signs on literally everything.
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Jul 22, 2016 21:21
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ImpAtom posted:It's not like the thing can work with laywers existing. No lawyer in the world is going to go "So you arrested my juvenile client on charges from an unsubstantiated report from a single individual who claims his psychic powers told him so?" without seeing green dollar signs on literally everything. And maybe later issues will describe Maria Hill setting up a Ulysses PreCrime Taskforce or some poo poo, but there's been no inkling of that so far.
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Jul 22, 2016 21:26
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JoshTheStampede posted:Roxane Gay is writing a Wakanda book about the Dora Milaje, making her the first ever black woman writer at Marvel. It's actually apparently an anthology book, and her story's about the Midnight Angels, AKA the elite/renegade Dora Milaje from Coates' current run. Which is great, more diversity in titles and creators is awesome, and I really like the Angels, but on the other hand... this means Black Panther has to ACTUALLY be about the Black Panther, and TNC's run has made him the least interesting and least important part of the book so far.
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Jul 22, 2016 22:08
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Gaz-L posted:It's actually apparently an anthology book, and her story's about the Midnight Angels, AKA the elite/renegade Dora Milaje from Coates' current run. Which is great, more diversity in titles and creators is awesome, and I really like the Angels, but on the other hand... this means Black Panther has to ACTUALLY be about the Black Panther, and TNC's run has made him the least interesting and least important part of the book so far. No it doesn't, the Midnight Angels will probably still feature heavily into BP.
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Jul 22, 2016 22:23
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Especially considering she's writing an anthology book (which means I'm probably not gonna read it because...anthology comics...blech.) it should have little to no direct impact on TNC's run.
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Jul 23, 2016 00:20
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Anthology comics are great. There should be more.
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Jul 23, 2016 00:22
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BrianWilly posted:I...don't like this? In case it was not clear. When I said it was pure art. I was being sarcastic. This event is a god drat loving mess, just like the first Civil War. Marvel has learned NOTHING.
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Jul 23, 2016 01:59
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Confirmed at SDCC, the new Nova book will feature both Sam Alexander and Richard Ryder teaming up.
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I haven't picked up Civil War #2 or #3, so hopefully, hopefully, those two issues do a better job of fleshing out Carol's point of view on all of this. Seems though I'm fooling myself based on the responses in this thread. Hmm. I can deal with a lovely story, but I hope this ends with gigantic blowback against Carol (and SHIELD? Is Carol's operation with Ulysses a SHIELD program?), because as it's being presented it's just comically evil what they are doing. More importantly, there needs to be blowback on the Inhumans as well. The released a worldwide chemical/gas across the world, they decimated the mutant population, and now they have are protecting someone who is being used to prevent crimes that whether or not they may or may not happen, they haven't occurred at the time of the capture/arrest. I like the Ms. Marvel book but drat that tie-in is terrible.
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Jul 23, 2016 06:52
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:I haven't picked up Civil War #2 or #3, so hopefully, hopefully, those two issues do a better job of fleshing out Carol's point of view on all of this. Seems though I'm fooling myself based on the responses in this thread. Hmm. I believe Bendis just did a thing with IGN where he was like "Nobody's taken Carol's side." And I have no idea if the context was in-universe, or out of universe, or if it was confused or happy. Or just a statement of facts. But I feel like my only response is "No poo poo."
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Jul 23, 2016 07:14
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I'm so tired of all these civil wars
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Jul 23, 2016 07:37
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X-O posted:Confirmed at SDCC, the new Nova book will feature both Sam Alexander and Richard Ryder teaming up. It's Rider, not Ryder! But yay, I'm glad Rich is back! Him mentoring Sam should be great.
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Jul 23, 2016 08:43
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There's been a very poor attempt to paint carol as the "just following orders" type of military leader.
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Ferrule posted:There's been a very poor attempt to paint carol as the "just following orders" type of military leader. She does have a history of that, but it seems like it's something you'd downplay if you want anyone at all to root for her or like her.
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Lurdiak posted:She does have a history of that, but it seems like it's something you'd downplay if you want anyone at all to root for her or like her. Right. What I meant was either go all out with it or not at all. It's so half-assed that it's comical.
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Literally the only thing I appreciate (Or would appreciate if they more obviously pointed it out.) Stark tried the whole "Futurist" thing. It didn't work and hosed up multiple times. So he should, from experience, be the one to go "No, this is dumb and it's not going to work."
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Jul 23, 2016 17:47
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I'm glad Dick Rider is back. I'm also not glad Civil War 2 has been complete poo poo. It's a drat shame because the art is pretty great.
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While I do think CW II is pretty bad, I do wonder if it'll read better a year from now for new Marvel readers if they read CWII on its own without reading tie ins at the same time. The main series isn't great (but does have pretty art) but what really kills it for me is the aforementioned inconsistency in tie ins where I don't know if Captain Marvel is supposed to be using Ulysses responsibly to stop things like Thanos, or is she arresting black people for precrime because Ulysses is racist and Carol's an idiot. The main series doesn't have much of the latter, but the tie ins all take it as gospel that the latter is happening so I guess that's how I'm supposed to read the main series? But for readers who read it on its own in a year without reading all the tie in issues at the same time, maybe CWII will be a whole lot less messy. It probably still won't be good but at least it'll make more sense.
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