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Arcsquad12 posted:I should really get around to watching IBO, shouldn't I? I liked it a lot, others didn't like it at all. Season 2 starts in October, so now might be a good time to catch up.
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Jul 24, 2016 20:36
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Droyer posted:I like how they're the only mech Gjallarhorn uses. They're an incredibly powerful world-spanning organization, of course they have a standardized unit. Makes the world feel more cohesive. Yeah like even the Ace Custom suits are just like Here's a Graze, but with a lance instead of a rifle and a few extra boosters to zip around faster. It's really neat.
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Jul 24, 2016 20:43
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IBO is by far the best Gundam show we've had in a long, long time.
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Jul 24, 2016 20:48
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My overall feelings on IBO is going to depend a lot on Season 2. I loathed S1's ending and Naze Turbine is my least-favorite Gundam character ever but there's a lot of potential and S2 could easily resolve the problems I had with S1's ending. (Aside from the lameass death fakeouts but marketings gotta market.)
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Jul 24, 2016 20:50
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My feelings on IBO after season 1 is that while I liked it enough to finish it, I felt that it started stronger than it finished and I liked pretty much everything G-Reco did more.
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Jul 24, 2016 20:53
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IBO's ending made me laugh because that one comic was 100% right
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Jul 24, 2016 20:54
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After a bunch of garbage like G-Reco and AGE, IBO is such a huge refreshing upswing in quality for the series.
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Jul 24, 2016 20:55
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I should check it out then. Remains to be seen if it will top either Thunderbolt or Origin for current series in my book.
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Jul 24, 2016 21:00
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Arcsquad12 posted:I should check it out then. Remains to be seen if it will top either Thunderbolt or Origin for current series in my book. Probably not. Thunderbolt has a lot of problems but (possibly due to its length) it's a lot more overall competent. That said it depends on if you like the themes of one more than the other too. IBO has a lot of individually strong moments but it's also the kind of show where a character first discusses their long-lost brother literal seconds before they are attacked out of nowhere by their long-lost brother.
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Jul 24, 2016 21:05
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ImpAtom posted:Probably not. Thunderbolt has a lot of problems but (possibly due to its length) it's a lot more overall competent. That said it depends on if you like the themes of one more than the other too. So closer to Unicorn, then, where any contextual information or exposition is only conveyed through dramatic speeches and monologues.
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Jul 24, 2016 21:09
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Arcsquad12 posted:So closer to Unicorn, then, where any contextual information or exposition is only conveyed through dramatic speeches and monologues. I wouldn't say quite to that level but there's a fair bit of speechifying as one of the main characters is literally a Supernaturally Gifted Politician whose speeches are tremendously influential. It does have some very good subtle worldbuilding though.
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Jul 24, 2016 21:11
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Arcsquad12 posted:I should really get around to watching IBO, shouldn't I? Yes.
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Jul 24, 2016 22:23
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Logicblade posted:Yeah like even the Ace Custom suits are just like Here's a Graze, but with a lance instead of a rifle and a few extra boosters to zip around faster. It's really neat. And they even had explanations for why they weren't just mass producing the good stuff. The Schwalbe Graze was a better suit than the basic graze, but it's also fiddly as hell. The basic graze hit a balance between quality, usability, and price that made it pretty much a go-to, especially since everyone else had to use upgunned forklifts or suits centered around salvage. (Nice little worldbuilding touch how everything else was moderate value, but when Tekkadan sold an Ahab Generator, they goggled at the money, since getting one of those outside Gjallarhorn is more than a little difficult)
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Jul 24, 2016 22:37
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I think part of the reason I couldn't like IBO was too great expectations after the really great G-Reco. From the start it's characters rubbef me wrong by being way more stock archetypes and clichés played completely straight and then I reached the Space Harem episode and I nope'd out of there. It's still better than AGE or Seed.
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Jul 25, 2016 00:48
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chiasaur11 posted:And they even had explanations for why they weren't just mass producing the good stuff. The Schwalbe Graze was a better suit than the basic graze, but it's also fiddly as hell. The basic graze hit a balance between quality, usability, and price that made it pretty much a go-to, especially since everyone else had to use upgunned forklifts or suits centered around salvage. It's interesting how you could see what made the Graze better than other designs, too. The Gundams were based off impossible-to-replicate lost technology. The Grimgerde and the Hyakuren family were limited-run machines that used incredibly rare and expensive materials. The Man Rodi had to massively overclock its reactor to get decent performance with all that armour, giving it an extremely short operation time. That left the Graze, a good all-rounder that you could quickly, simply equip for any mission and have it do well, and that was simple enough to use and cheap and easy enough to assemble that even if you came up against something nasty, you'd have plenty of buddies to back you up. I actually did an effortpost on Grazes a little while back. That said, IBO's other mook-suits are pretty lovely as well, from the adorable child-soldier-piloted ball of destruction that is the Man Rodi to the sleek, stylish Hyakuren family. I'm not sure about the Season Two Graze, though - the colour scheme is too bright and cartoony after the S1 machines' drab shades, the melee weapons look weird, and the designs of the head and hip armour don't look like they'd do its mobility/flexibility many favours. Might be alright for an elite brigade while the regular Grazes do their thing on the regular, though. Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Jul 25, 2016 |
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Jul 25, 2016 01:08
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Who is Naze Turbine and why is he bad?
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Jul 25, 2016 01:16
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Arcsquad12 posted:I should really get around to watching IBO, shouldn't I? I'd wait until the verdict is out on S2. The show starts with an interesting premise but quickly becomes about multiple long-lost brothers who aren't mentioned beforehand and die pretty much immediately after they're introduced and a parade of cartoonishly ineffectual jobber villains. It's possible they're saving the payout for S2, but it's not worth wasting over 8 hours on a show on the possibility that it might have a redeeming second season.
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Jul 25, 2016 01:19
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Pureauthor posted:Who is Naze Turbine and why is he bad? Naze Turbine is a character from IBO and he is a member of the space mafia who befriends the protagonist group. His flaws are basically as follows: A) He's effectively the male version of Lacus Clyne. He's a super-nice awesome dude who befriends the protagonist and guides them and gets them upgrades and basically undercuts a lot of the interesting ideas of the show. He feels like someone's fanfiction character who is so great and perfect and awesome and everyone loves him B) He lives on a literal harem ship piloted by his many wives who are all adore and love him and have his many children but it's okay because he rescued them from bad circumstances so there's nothing creepy about it. It is, in fact, held up as a model example of a 'non-standard family' in the show itself. C) At least in Season 1 he is a blunt and boring character who has no depth to him. He works for the space mafia but conveniently is divorced from anything sketchy enough to make him unsympathetic. The show never actually really gives him any meaningful depth in a show where it at least waves its hands at making other characters a bit deeper. His fanfiction aura is so strong that at the end of Season 1 he sends his wives to support the Tekkadan and they are brutally attacked by a horrifying cyber-soldier in a way that looks like violent death and they survive basically unscathed. This is in a show where previously cockpit blows and damage is shown as horrifying, crippling and fatal. This conveniently allows him to sidestep any sort of bad emotions or feelings. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Jul 25, 2016 |
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Jul 25, 2016 01:25
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Pureauthor posted:Who is Naze Turbine and why is he bad? Lovable-rogue Jovian mobster who becomes the main benefactor of our heroes a third of the way through the show (well, his parent organisation do, but he and his crew are Tekkadan's first and primary point of contact with their new employers). In what appears to be a reflection of Orga's company being comprised of child soldiers who need to fight in order not to starve, his crew is a giant harem of women who he offered safety and a future in a part of space generally lacking in either. He's a major, feared political player, a cunning strategist, and a great boss/husband who represents, along with his crew, an apparent best-case outcome for Tekkadan, and he almost instantly becomes Orga's new hero. The show's themes indicate that he offers something of a false temptation (because while ensuring that vulnerable, exploited people have an OK time of it is all well and good, the better option would be them not getting exploited at all), and can't offer or live as good and sustainable a life as he thinks he can, not least because his boss is a lot more sketchy than he is, but like much that is ominous or disturbing about our heroes and the path they're on, this can is kicked down the road to Season Two. That leaves him as coming across as a bit irritatingly perfect, and can give a viewer the impression that the more unnerving parts of his lifestyle are intended to be shown as cool and good.
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Jul 25, 2016 01:37
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Microcline posted:I'd wait until the verdict is out on S2. The show starts with an interesting premise but quickly becomes about multiple long-lost brothers who aren't mentioned beforehand and die pretty much immediately after they're introduced and a parade of cartoonishly ineffectual jobber villains. Yeah this is hilariously wrong.
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Jul 25, 2016 01:41
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If Season 2 ever actually addresses "Hey Naze, you're exploiting these women" I'll be pleasantly surprised.
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Jul 25, 2016 01:42
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ImpAtom posted:If Season 2 ever actually addresses "Hey Naze, you're exploiting these women" I'll be pleasantly surprised. I imagine it'll do it as a parable for 'Hey, Orga, you're exploiting your buddies'. Tekkadan is a transitional process to give these kids their lives back, not an end-goal in itself, and he seems to have forgotten that along the way. Mikazuki wanted to be a farmer - now he's the murder-mascot of a gang of child soldiers for hire, piloting a suit that's basically a giant corporate logo. The Turbines will probably serve as a reminder - I'm expecting them to take major casualties, possibly even after being betrayed by McMurdo, causing Naze to realise and admit to Orga that he wasn't keeping his girls safe after all, and maybe fell a little too in love with the idea of being this badass mobster.
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Erg posted:IBO's ending made me laugh because that one comic was 100% right I'm willing to let that slide on a guess that the second season got approved right at the eleventh hour, so some stuff got a hasty rewrite rather than those fakeouts being planned from the start.
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Jul 25, 2016 01:58
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I did like how IBO was largely (at least up till I stopped watching) gun weapons. Like people still got one-shot when the plot called for it but being plausibly able to trade hits made things feel a lot more "real" I guess. I was watching SEED the other day and the only person landing any hits in the fight was the dude with the mace-chain thing, cause lasers would just explode each other edit: Ahh, that's cool VVV The Chad Jihad fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Jul 25, 2016 |
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Jul 25, 2016 02:22
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There's still no beam weapons as of the end of season 1. And the only new weapon so far is just a dragonslayer for Barbatos, so still no sign of lasers yet.
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Jul 25, 2016 02:27
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I have a feeling if lasers show up they're going to be at the very end as a 'oh poo poo' weapon and not a moment before. I wouldn't be shocked if they avoid them entirely.
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Jul 25, 2016 02:29
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I'm willing to let that slide on a guess that the second season got approved right at the eleventh hour, so some stuff got a hasty rewrite rather than those fakeouts being planned from the start. This is pretty much the only reason that makes sense to me. The show had been extremely consistent about how mobile suit combat kills people for the entire series up until that very last moment, and I can't imagine that they originally planned for the Final Boss of season 1 to achieve effectively nothing.
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Jul 25, 2016 02:29
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The final boss did something, he just wasn't the actual combat boss. Considering how much a grunt suit costs, Tekkadan having and maintaining like 20 mobile suits means they made some absurd bank off that mission. This is considering they were about to sell a Gundam just because they were so broke at one point.
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Jul 25, 2016 02:57
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Tae posted:The final boss did something, he just wasn't the actual combat boss. Getting a politician elected in the face of a full-blown siege probably got them some serious gratuity from him, along with more work. Especially as those things look custom-ordered/designed considering Mobile Suits are a seriously scarce thing. That can't be cheap.
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Jul 25, 2016 03:13
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it's specifically mentioned they become edmonton's (i think) official defense contractor in the final episode.
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Jul 25, 2016 03:15
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Droyer posted:it's specifically mentioned they become edmonton's (i think) official defense contractor in the final episode. I still think it's funny that the actually city caught wind of the last few episodes and went "oh neat, we're in anime!" on twitter  . Having the city turn out to be actually based on the real version instead of just a named future-city was an unnecessary but nice detail.
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Jul 25, 2016 03:21
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I still think it's funny that the actually city caught wind of the last few episodes and went "oh neat, we're in anime!" on twitter Weird that it's Edmonton of all places, but still a neat factoid. I'd have figured Vancouver would be the more likely candidate.
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Jul 25, 2016 03:25
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Arcsquad12 posted:Weird that it's Edmonton of all places, but still a neat factoid. I'd have figured Vancouver would be the more likely candidate. Presumably, Vancouver was destroyed in the Calamity War. Nobody could be bothered to destroy Edmonton.
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Jul 25, 2016 03:31
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Also, and this is just me speculating here, but it's possible that McGillis' changes to how Gjallarhorn work make it easier to aqcuire mobile suits.
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Jul 25, 2016 03:32
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Arcsquad12 posted:Weird that it's Edmonton of all places, but still a neat factoid. I'd have figured Vancouver would be the more likely candidate. Don't forget it's set 300 years after carastrophic global war. Vancouver might well be a smoking crater. e;fb 
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Jul 25, 2016 03:32
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Chickenfrogman posted:Yeah this is hilariously wrong. What's wrong here? After McGillis decides to become an off-brand Char the antagonists consist of Galio, Carta, and Ein. It's kind of hard to take Gjallarhorn seriously as solar system-spanning oppressors when they accomplish nothing and die by the dozen to literal children. Kanos posted:This is pretty much the only reason that makes sense to me. The show had been extremely consistent about how mobile suit combat kills people for the entire series up until that very last moment, and I can't imagine that they originally planned for the Final Boss of season 1 to achieve effectively nothing. It's pretty apparent we got 13 episodes of content in a 25-episode show. It sets up a number of great conflicts around what characters are willing to sacrifice for their ideals (would you make a deal with a devil? Would you allow someone you care about to die? Would you risk reintroducing total war on a scale that could annihilate planets?), but it ends with Orga/Kudelia getting to have their cake and eat it too.
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Microcline posted:What's wrong here? After McGillis decides to become an off-brand Char the antagonists consist of Galio, Carta, and Ein. It's kind of hard to take Gjallarhorn seriously as solar system-spanning oppressors when they accomplish nothing and die by the dozen to literal children. As opposed to all the other gundam shows, where this doesn't happen.
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Jul 25, 2016 03:44
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Droyer posted:As opposed to all the other gundam shows, where this doesn't happen. Honestly? Yes, in other Gundam series, the villains are extremely effective and dangerous. The protagonists struggle frequently and it's often implied they're surviving through the sheer superiority of their machines rather than the ineptitude of their enemies, at least until the pilots become more skilled. In IBO there are multiple fights resolved when the villains literally decide to pose dramatically and then get owned in a comical-slash-horrible fashion. It's a problem with IBO not thematically (where it makes sense) but in that it devalues and weakens the would-be threatening antagonists because none of them can actually be a danger despite their many advantages.
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Jul 25, 2016 03:46
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Villains dying by the dozens to literal children is something that happens in every gundam show, so acting as though it's an issue with IBO specifically is disingenuous.
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Also part of the in universe explanation was that they got to use the AV system so they had this huge leap in being able to control their gundams compared the regular controls their enemies were using I mean yeah they were stupid, but I thought that was the point? They'd been at the top for so long, they'd forgotten what a real fight was
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