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FranktheBank posted:I tend to fly things that can use drones as supplemental damage, just to put all those perfect skills to use. i'll probably just stick with amarr, since there doesnt seem to be a consensus for pvp. With drones as primary DPS people tend to use Gallente drones since they do the most DPS and hit thermal, which is unlikely to be specifically tanked for (although not a common resist hole either) on an omni tanking PVP ship. The big exception would be if you know your target's resist hole in advance, like ratter ganking. As supplementary DPS on cruisers Warriors and Acolytes are popular because they're the fastest (good for getting interceptors and other light tackle to gently caress off) and will hit armor or shield resist holes respectively. Caldari drones are good for, uh, killing Guristas I guess
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Devian666 posted:I'm pretty sure the drone applied dps would be insignificant in a vigilant. It's a pretty cool space boat. It is. But I use rails so sometimes I have to adjust range to get full effect so drones help keep constant pressure on target.
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Morris posted:
Wait...Caldari have drones? But yeah. Warrior II's are great. They do good work on tackle ships. Get a few sets of warriors on something small and it will die if it doesn't run.
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This is flat out wrong. Fly vexors, they're arguably the strongest of t1 cruisers, with active-tanked vexors being one of the best solo cruisers out there.
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FranktheBank posted:Lost my rattle in a stupid 8/10. Can't you bookmark the can, bounce to a safe for a couple of minutes until the thing respawns, and then come back to loot?
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Jazzzzz posted:Can't you bookmark the can, bounce to a safe for a couple of minutes until the thing respawns, and then come back to loot? Yes. I was impatient. I am bad at Eve. Luckily, playing 8-12 hours a day makes my losses almost irrelevant. (Also, my XL shield booster dropped, so 400m saved)
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The Alliance Tournament prizes and participants have been announced for those who are into that sort of thing.
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hacking bonuses for the people who pve in their tournament ships.
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FranktheBank posted:Yes. I was impatient. I am bad at Eve. Well, that helps.
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KaoliniteMilkshake posted:This is flat out wrong. Fly vexors, they're arguably the strongest of t1 cruisers, with active-tanked vexors being one of the best solo cruisers out there. yeah uh drones are pretty drat good and as a pvp weapon system they are great. they aren't great for range (sentries are, but lol. gently caress that) but brawling? hell yeah.
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Deofuta posted:The Alliance Tournament prizes and participants have been announced for those who are into that sort of thing. what are camel lords calling themselves this year and how many teams are they running?
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Orange Red Bull posted:what are camel lords calling themselves this year and how many teams are they running?
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Some awful lowsec/wormhole-dwelling scrubs who can barely get 15 actual people in fleet on a good day, probably.
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Was the increase in points for HICs/restriction on unique ships a welcome change? Tournament meta changes and compositions are fascinating.
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LemonDrizzle posted:Some awful lowsec/wormhole-dwelling scrubs who can barely get 15 actual people in fleet on a good day, probably. I would expect nothing less.
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Deofuta posted:Was the increase in points for HICs/restriction on unique ships a welcome change? Tournament meta changes and compositions are fascinating.
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Deofuta posted:Was the increase in points for HICs/restriction on unique ships a welcome change? Tournament meta changes and compositions are fascinating. Yes. Though from a "I enjoy it when people field a tournament ship and lose it" perspective, it's a bummer  Edit - CCP actually want to make it fair to everyone like people are saying, then they should just outright ban AT ships all together from the tournament. They won't but that's the only solution to the "it's not fair they have an AT ship and I don't" situation their prize structure created over the past 7 years. Mekchu fucked around with this message at 09:00 on Jul 27, 2016 |
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LemonDrizzle posted:Some awful lowsec/wormhole-dwelling scrubs who can barely get 15 actual people in fleet on a good day, probably. Stop describing my current alliance by accident rear end in a top hat.  Deofuta posted:The Alliance Tournament prizes and participants have been announced for those who are into that sort of thing. I wish I could say I was but every time I see it, I see the nice looking ships and skins and realize that it'd be far more entertaining to hear about these ships being destroyed than watching them being won.
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Deofuta posted:The Alliance Tournament prizes and participants have been announced for those who are into that sort of thing. In related stuff over on EVE NT we've been livestreaming the open practices that TEST has put together the past few years and doing some commentary etc. This is the stuff from July 23rds stream. VYDRA Reloaded (MLG) vs White Legion - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFtaOIOis2E A Band Apart vs League of Unaligned Master Pilots - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHUwxFq_6po Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork vs Rapid Withdrawal - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHXKyIb97JM VYDRA Reloaded vs League of Unaligned Master Pilots - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_uCv53Li88 White Legion vs Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08MgZzVm9NA VYDRA Reloaded vs Curatores Veritatis Alliance - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnqLIoAzc5g Mercenary Coalition (L2CLB) vs Rapid Withdrawal - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEIuC6DirFQ
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Deofuta posted:The Alliance Tournament prizes and participants have been announced for those who are into that sort of thing. I'm not into this sort of thing really (I like the idea of it, but watching matches bores me to tears after a while). On the other hand, I like to look up price ships and wishing I could have them. This year I may be close enough to actually have a chance at buying one. The Caedes looks helluva interesting, for example. How much are AT-prices going for normally? I don't really know anything about the market for super-expensive ships. Are 1-2 billion ISK enough for a AT-frigate, or am I dreaming?
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Libluini posted:I'm not into this sort of thing really (I like the idea of it, but watching matches bores me to tears after a while). On the other hand, I like to look up price ships and wishing I could have them. This year I may be close enough to actually have a chance at buying one. The Caedes looks helluva interesting, for example. It's more like 100-150 billions...
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Libluini posted:I'm not into this sort of thing really (I like the idea of it, but watching matches bores me to tears after a while). On the other hand, I like to look up price ships and wishing I could have them. This year I may be close enough to actually have a chance at buying one. The Caedes looks helluva interesting, for example. These paragraphs combined are amazing
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Krogort posted:It's more like 100-150 billions...  ), and some of the less popular frigates are selling at closer to 80-90b atm, but yeah, 1-2b is a little optimistic unless you can find a seller who forgets to type in a few zeroes when making contracts.
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Holy loving poo poo, I guess I can forget my dream of owning a AT-ship, then.
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While I'm sure there are lots of legitimate reasons to have exclusive AT ships, I would prefer it if CCP just gave everyone a 1-run BPC of each of the ships when the AT finishes. There's so much interesting design space that the AT ships take up that we're never going to see because CCP needs to feed PL their yearly welfare cheque. Makes it difficult to get excited for the Alliance Tournament. On the other hand, I hope next year's Alliance Tournament is sponsored by ORE.
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Magic Rabbit Hat posted:On the other hand, I hope next year's Alliance Tournament is sponsored by ORE. Do you want nobody to show up? But in all seriousness, it's because I will never see them I do not care about these prizes. When it comes to ships, I just want them to expand the trees of all factions like they did to the Serpentis. I'd be very interested to see what a Blood Raider titan would be like, for instance.
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Magic Rabbit Hat posted:While I'm sure there are lots of legitimate reasons to have exclusive AT ships, I would prefer it if CCP just gave everyone a 1-run BPC of each of the ships when the AT finishes. There's so much interesting design space that the AT ships take up that we're never going to see because CCP needs to feed PL their yearly welfare cheque. Makes it difficult to get excited for the Alliance Tournament.
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LemonDrizzle posted:Eh, not really seeing it. The prize ships are, by design, so overpowered that they couldn't realistically be made generally available without dominating the game to an extent that would make the Orthrus and Svipul seem fair and balanced. I'm also not sure which particular niches you think are occupied by prize ships to the exclusion of regular ones. The only one that springs to mind is covops-bridgeable logistics, but it's not the existence of the Etana or the new armor one that's keeping CCP from making ships with those capabilities generally available, it's concerns about their general balancing. In terms of design space, there's a lot of things that AT ships do that are really interesting; the Cambion has that massive module overheat bonus, the Whiptail is a drone Interceptor, the Sansha's HIC can move full speed with its bubble up, and the two AT combat CovOps ships are basically the Blood Raider and Angels version of the Astero. Balancing them is a given, but I don't generally have a problem with them being odd outliers when it comes to the things they can do -- they're Pirate (and Navy) ships, they're supposed to break the rules and do unusual things. It would be insanely cool to be able to fly (balanced) Imps and Malices and Chremoas in places other than SiSi.
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Magic Rabbit Hat posted:In terms of design space, there's a lot of things that AT ships do that are really interesting; the Cambion has that massive module overheat bonus, the Whiptail is a drone Interceptor, the Sansha's HIC can move full speed with its bubble up, and the two AT combat CovOps ships are basically the Blood Raider and Angels version of the Astero. the ships are crazy OP, that's why they're cool the cambion is so obscenely powerful that it's stupid; current buying one would probably set you back 120bil, at least having godmode subcaps available to the average player (even if they cost 2-3bil isk each) would be terrible; these would end up making it even harder for new players to break into pvp
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Landsknecht posted:the ships are crazy OP, that's why they're cool kekek we already have the orthrus for much less and the svipul for evevevveen less madkek
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MorsAnima posted:kekek we already have the orthrus for much less and the svipul for evevevveen less madkek there are decent counters to both of those, and while unbalanced (which is also to do with the current meta) they aren't stupidly OP AT ships are stupidly OP; if you're bros with anyone who has one, ask to take it out on sisi
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Magic Rabbit Hat posted:In terms of design space, there's a lot of things that AT ships do that are really interesting; the Cambion has that massive module overheat bonus, the Whiptail is a drone Interceptor, the Sansha's HIC can move full speed with its bubble up, and the two AT combat CovOps ships are basically the Blood Raider and Angels version of the Astero.
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Landsknecht posted:there are decent counters to both of those, and while unbalanced (which is also to do with the current meta) they aren't stupidly OP I know, I'm just posting like a retard. I still think the Svipul is stupid, Orthrus is fine. Sure it's speedy but it's dps isn't great. It's all about the battleships now for me. Been so long since I genuinely flew a battleship that I'm amazed at the options. Dual prop + mjd + cap injector + tracking computer + point? LOOK AT ALL MY SLOTS. Been bombing it up in a nightmare lately and it's great fun. I used to get scared when the little poo poo tackled me, now I just laugh cause 2x neuts, tracking bonus on the hull, tracking script on the computer, enough cap + boosters to tank for days and an mjd to really say "gently caress you" to them.
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My 1.8 second align time taxi interceptor was tackled by a svipul. How little align time was I supposed to have? [Ares, Ares] Expanded Cargohold II Inertial Stabilizers II Inertial Stabilizers II Inertial Stabilizers II Thermal Dissipation Amplifier I EM Ward Amplifier I Medium Azeotropic Restrained Shield Extender [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
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Zephyrine posted:My 1.8 second align time taxi interceptor was tackled by a svipul. Best strategy to avoid being tackled is to just abandon your ship and use the align time of your capsule to escape. Good luck in your fight against cancer though.
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MorsAnima posted:I know, I'm just posting like a retard. I still think the Svipul is stupid, Orthrus is fine. Sure it's speedy but it's dps isn't great. battleships are loving cool, especially the faction versions which get so many utility slots nightmares, machariels, vindicators, and barghests all have so many options and are a lot of fun; i really should buy a barghest Zephyrine posted:My 1.8 second align time taxi interceptor was tackled by a svipul. you can RSB a svipul (in sharpshooter) to get it to a <1s locktime, so it comes down to ping/server speed
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Want to know why I went for a nightmare first? Cause it's half the loving price of the barghest #poorZephyrine posted:My 1.8 second align time taxi interceptor was tackled by a svipul. Svipuls can get .7s locktime on a frigate BEFORE remote sebo's. If he has a low ping you're gonna need less than 1.7s align.
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MorsAnima posted:Want to know why I went for a nightmare first? Cause it's half the loving price of the barghest #poor There goes my warp rigs 
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