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He actually looks like a weird mush of Adams, Corbyn, and Galloway. Georrgemy Gadabyn. Destroyer of Parties.
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Sympathizes with several opposing terrorists at the same time, causing opponents to become confused.
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Jul 27, 2016 00:29
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Tesseraction posted:Holy moly this is the guy funding the lawsuit to take Corbyn off the ballot: "You are here because the Labour party is about to be destroyed. Its every living member terminated, its entire existence eradicated." "Bullshit." "Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it."
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Dabir posted:"You are here because the Labour party is about to be destroyed. Its every living member terminated, its entire existence eradicated." "Assuming direct control" *flings wet noodles at Corbyn for nine months*
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Jul 27, 2016 01:38
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Guavanaut posted:Yeah, that's the root cause of most of this. The problem with grammar schools and the general segregation of schoolchildren (including private schools) is that it insulates them into a bubble. Why should academic kids only share space with other academic kids? Set streaming can help with catering to different abilities, but ultimately kids from all different backgrounds and abilities should intermingle. Singapore, despite its absolutely vast divisions in wealth and social class, does not typically allow its own citizens to send their kids to private schools and it has no entrance exams. Its state funded system achieves the best in results in the world, albeit with controversial measures, demonstrating that it is atleast possible to have a solid state system. Iirc Gove went out there as education minister and the lesson he came back with was 'we should discipline the children harder  ' rather than 'oh gee every school seems to have vast facilities and teaching staff to support its students'. I don't want to see a return to grammar schools because all that happens is we add yet another insufferable layer of snobbery into education, whilst we send the kids who don't manage the entrance tests to the secondary moderns with substantially less resources per pupil. To the poster complaining that middle class parents can just buy a good education now, they always could. If little Timmy was so dense he couldn't absorb the hours of coaching on the test, they could still send them to one of those middle of the road private schools that still crushes most comps, you very rarely found the posh kids at the secondary moderns. Tl:dr - the solution has always been to beef up state schools with good ideas and money such that the value proposition of private/grammar schools nosedives. gently caress dividing kids by class so they learn to perpetuate it. Great education for all, not just the rich, and not just the smart (test takers).
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Ocrassus posted:The problem with grammar schools and the general segregation of schoolchildren (including private schools) is that it insulates them into a bubble. Why should academic kids only share space with other academic kids? Set streaming can help with catering to different abilities, but ultimately kids from all different backgrounds and abilities should intermingle. The issue I've always had with the comprehensive system, beyond the fact private schools exist, is that schoolchildren are segregated anyways by middle-class parents moving to good suburbian schools and commuting a bit further to work while working-class parents who can't afford to move or commute far are stuck in city schools. Comprehensives may have been created to prevent segregation but just perpetuate geographical segregation of the classes (also another factor in the house price bubble)
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Guavanaut posted:I have no opposition to city state-funded grammar schools in principle, because they provide(d at one point) mobility for working class kids. The problem with grammar schools is that all the things you mentioned in your last post, like smaller class sizes, different teaching styles etc. should be available in every school if they're so loving good. Skimming off the top performing kids, throwing all your resources at them then slapping yourself on the back when they perform better than the ones you left behind isn't an education breakthrough. Ocrassus posted:Tl:dr - the solution has always been to beef up state schools with good ideas and money such that the value proposition of private/grammar schools nosedives. gently caress dividing kids by class so they learn to perpetuate it. Great education for all, not just the rich, and not just the smart (test takers). Basically this.
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nothing to seehere posted:The issue I've always had with the comprehensive system, beyond the fact private schools exist, is that schoolchildren are segregated anyways by middle-class parents moving to good suburbian schools and commuting a bit further to work while working-class parents who can't afford to move or commute far are stuck in city schools. Comprehensives may have been created to prevent segregation but just perpetuate geographical segregation of the classes (also another factor in the house price bubble) Right, and something needs to be done about that. Doesn't mean we can write off the comp system, just means it needs to be harder to game (and made more redundant). A lot of what makes a comp suffer is a combination of poor resources and the environment it is located in. School needs to be a place kids look forward to going and not a drudge, especially for poorer kids. It needs to be clean, expansive, well maintained facilities and with a plethora of good quality staff. Teachers need to be paid a salary commensurate with their vital role to society so that even more able minds might choose it over a career in finance or law. Also gently caress it, make more state boarding schools if parents are going to game it so much so that this postcode lottery poo poo doesn't happen. Some kids do very well there and the kids that don't don't have to go there.
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I mean rationally the response to a school performing poorly should be to dump a load of money into it to fix it. Nowt wrong with city schools if they are commensurately funded. Keep funding poor schools and rake in the stamp duty as the WASPs follow them around.
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It's not even just funding, atleast not completely. The state system is unwieldy in that it is too one size fits all to the needs of every child. We are stuck in the mentality that a child needs to be beaten with the rod of punishment if they simply aren't interested, when schools are mostly just uninspiring places. Grey boxes with grey coldly lit hallways with the only colour being an occasional notice board, with students sitting at desks for the sole purpose of taking a test to determine their worth to society. Tangential learning and creativity is going to be the single most important skill for a huge amount of our populace as we steadily automate the algorithmic jobs in our society, but our state education institutions, particularly the poor inner city ones, still resemble factories in appearance and function.
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Jul 27, 2016 02:15
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More money would probably solve that. Shove enough kids and and supervising adults together with enough money and you're bound to get I would venture the reason state schools look poo poo and teach only the bare minimum is because that's all they can afford. Left to their own devices and funding teachers do tend to like doing interesting things.
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Tesseraction posted:Holy moly this is the guy funding the lawsuit to take Corbyn off the ballot: "Look...into my eyes."
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I have the utmost respect for teachers. I think you're right, I was more referring to the training and regulation that governs traditional teaching, as well as the outright dull environment and architecture.
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I've not been inside one of the new schools they're building all around here but they're all enormous intersecting platonic solids painted in block primary colours, I dunno what the inside's like but from the outside they look quite nice. I figure it's just that I went to school at a time when you got some old 70's monstrosity or nowt.
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NLJP posted:What in the unholy gently caress. This pile of wank ran on TV? I'm... I'm not sure we should be allowed to laugh at yank TV anymore... You Brits have at least temporarily lost your license to laugh at American dimwittery for a reason that begins with B and ends appropriately enough with, 'wrecks it.' ...If Trump wins the US presidential election the aforementioned document will be promptly returned.
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Haskell9 posted:You Brits have at least temporarily lost your license to laugh at American dimwittery for a reason that begins with B and ends appropriately enough with, 'wrecks it.' I mean yeah but even now we're seeing (self-declared, sure) US 'progressives' saying hillary is more or less as bad as literal facist trump so I guess what I'm saying is we're probably even at this point NLJP fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Jul 27, 2016 |
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Haskell9 posted:You Brits have at least temporarily lost your license to laugh at American dimwittery for a reason that begins with B and ends appropriately enough with, 'wrecks it.' If Trump loses in November you'll owe us for Brexit shaking the American leftish out of complacency regarding Trump. No one really believed that badly coiffured egotistical conservative buffoons could successfully lead the electorate by the nose simply by posing as anti-establishment men of the people armed with blatantly impossible promises constructed wholesale from the rancid farts of bigots until Boris and Farage took us to Brexit. Come November if you dodge the Trump bullet spare a thought for old Blighty, since we took one for the team to spare the world the calamity of President Trump. 
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Haskell9 posted:You Brits have at least temporarily lost your license to laugh at American dimwittery Counterpoint: DNC
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TheRat posted:Counterpoint: DNC Pish, that's just party dickering, only butthurt Berniebros are acting like it's anything more. It'll be November that tells the tale.
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It's also pretty much over. 100 delegates left out of thousands instead of half the dang party.
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NLJP posted:I mean yeah but even now we're seeing (self-declared, sure) US 'progressives' saying hillary is more or less as bad as literal facist trump so I guess what I'm saying is we're probably even at this point Hillary is horrible for reasons that I wouldn't expect a foreigner to comprehend. And my only other option is Donald loving Trump yelling at black people? Hello fellow Americans can we please have more than two viable parties on the national stage?
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Not this thread too, keep that poo poo to USPOL. I'm here to laugh at Labour, god drat it.
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Grapplejack posted:Not this thread too, keep that poo poo to USPOL. I'm here to laugh at Labour, god drat it. Apologies Grapplejack this thread got frontpaged. I don't know poo poo about UK/EU politics except the Brexit types sound like Trump voters.
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Josef bugman posted:In slightly less bleak news:  Miracles do come true.
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Haskell9 posted:Hillary is horrible for reasons that I wouldn't expect a foreigner to comprehend. And my only other option is Donald loving Trump yelling at black people? Hello fellow Americans can we please have more than two viable parties on the national stage? Complaining that you get Hillary Clinton is pretty tone deaf in a thread full of people stuck with Theresa May on the rapidly sinking HMS Brexit.
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Well this is a headline. "Channel 5 removes Fireman Sam episode showing character stepping on Qur'an" https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jul/26/channel-5-remove-fireman-sam-episode-which-shows-character-stepping-on-quran
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Haskell9 posted:Hillary is horrible for reasons that I wouldn't expect a foreigner to comprehend lol
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I've got someone on my Facebook currently complaining that people won't hold their noses and vote for Hillary. He's a rabid Lib Dem supporter.
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Praseodymi posted:I've got someone on my Facebook currently complaining that people won't hold their noses and vote for Hillary. When the alternative is the literal fascist, it's a valid complaint tbh.
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Baron Corbyn posted:When the alternative is the literal fascist, it's a valid complaint tbh. I think it comes across a bit hollow if you don't shut the gently caress up about how great the Lib Dems are. Also, he repeatedly referred to the people not voting as 'acting like loving children', which will definitely endear them to your view
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Praseodymi posted:I've got someone on my Facebook currently complaining that people won't hold their noses and vote for Hillary. American politics is take your preconceived notions of ideology and then shift everything to the right. Bernie is probably lib dem in practice, Hillary is Tory and trump is trump.
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I really want to thank you guys for probating pissflaps before this conversation.
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Bedshaped posted:American politics is take your preconceived notions of ideology and then shift everything to the right. That analogy only really works if Labour were a smaller party than the Lib Dems.
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Haskell9 posted:Apologies Grapplejack this thread got frontpaged. I don't know poo poo about UK/EU politics except the Brexit types sound like Trump voters. The only thing you need to know is that if the Russians hacked the email servers of the labour party, they wouldn't find anything that hadn't already been leaked to the press and/or posted to Twitter.
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Jacobin have written a summary of Corbyn's media representation, for anybody interested.
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Simon Wren-Lewis endorses not-Corbyn (?):quote:What seems totally clear to me is that given recent events a Corbyn led party cannot win in 2020, or even come close. I was highly critical of the anti-Corbynistas who wanted to argue that their antics were having no impact on public opinion, so it would be absurd for me to pretend that people would elect to power a Labour party that had voted no confidence in its leader. maybe it's revenge for this
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