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Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

Update 31: Seven Floors of Radio Tower

Rocket-Dan Takeover!



No point pissing and moaning, let's just get this over with and have a fun time while doing so.



Now that's professionalism.

"RADIO TOWER!"

: Now everyone will experience the true terror of TEAM ROCKET! We'll show you how scary we are!



Ah. Great. So you won't be too surprised to hear I'm going to sweeping over these weak Rocket grunts like I did a few times in my Yellow LP, cause gently caress showing them all off. This also makes it likely this will only take one update. Hopefully.



: Our plan could be ruined. I must warn the others...

"the RADIO TOWER?"

See, unlike Silph Co., which had the most powerful Pokeball in existence, the best you could do is Rocket Propaganda? I mean, sure, the Evolution Signal and that, but we haven't heard anything about it yet.



I love that song. But yeah, you should be playing it.



And the skipping begins.




HP: 105 | ATK: 105 | DEF: 75 | SP.ATK: 65 | SP.DEF: 100 | SPD: 50 | TOTAL: 500
#117: Muk



Now we're on the third floor, a new area. Let's see what exciting trainers we'll fight.




HP: 65 | ATK: 90 | DEF: 120 | SP.ATK: 85 | SP.DEF: 70 | SPD: 60 | TOTAL: 490
#115: Weezing



Who who, who who? Should get a fair few levels during this assault, because if you shove enough weak rear end poo poo in my face, I'll eventually gain something from it.



Can't do anything there, so up to the fourth floor.



Neato.




HP: 65 | ATK: 60 | DEF: 70 | SP.ATK: 85 | SP.DEF: 75 | SPD: 40 | TOTAL: 395
#215: Porygon



Conversion2 (Tekusuchā 2: Texture 2) is a Normal status move with 30PP that changes the user's type in a way that resists the type of the last move it was hit by, so since I hit it with Flame Wheel, it turned into the Water type, but it also could've become a Rock type.



Okay, top floor. This is where the Director is right?



: Is this what you were expecting? Wrong! I'm an imposter! I pretended to be the real thing to prepare for our takeover. Do you want to know where we had the real DIRECTOR? Sure, I'll tell you. But only if you can beat me!



Oh man, it's a trap! And you know what this trap contains?




Not a lot of fun.



Yeesh.



: It's at the far end of the UNDERGROUND. But I'll doubt you'll get that far.



Okay, that's where our next objective is.

Goldenrod Underground



I need to remember to buy some Revival Herbs one of these days...



I can feel the edge from here.

Rival Challenge



: I saw you, so I tailed you. I don't need you underfoot while I take care of TEAM ROCKET. ...Wait a second. You beat me before, didn't you? That was just a fluke. But I repay my debts!

Rival Battle



Alright, it's been a little while since we fought Terran and his team is a lot better than before.



Though "better" can be subjective.



Ow. Wing Attack (Tsubasa de Utsu: Wing Strike) is a Flying move with 60BP, 35PP and 100% accuracy. Now that it no longer has the same BP as PECK, it's a much better move, being a good middle ground between Drill Peck. Though some Flying types get this as their best move...



Yep.



Oh, I guess I should talk about the fully evolved starters now, eh?


HP: 80 | ATK: 82 | DEF: 100 | SP.ATK: 83 | SP.DEF: 100 | SPD: 80 | TOTAL: 525
#003: Meganium


HP: 78 | ATK: 84 | DEF: 78 | SP.ATK: 109 | SP.DEF: 85 | SPD: 100 | TOTAL: 534
#006: Typhlosion


HP: 85 | ATK: 105 | DEF: 100 | SP.ATK: 79 | SP.DEF: 83 | SPD: 78 | TOTAL: 530
#009: Feraligatr



Unfortunately the fully evolved starter isn't too notable right now, mainly cause our team is a little bit strong. Let's see what else he has.




HP: 55 | ATK: 95 | DEF: 55 | SP.ATK: 35 | SP.DEF: 75 | SPD: 115 | TOTAL: 430
#213: Sneasel



Eh. Next.



I realized that Jeremiah was one hit away from fainting after I opted not to take the free switch. I'm smart. But that's that.



: I've assembled the toughest POKéMON. I didn't ease up on the gas. So why do I lose?



: Is what that LANCE guy said true? That I don't treat POKéMON properly? Love... Trust... Are they really what I lack? Are they keeping me from winning? I... I just don't understand. But it's not going to end here. Not now. Not because of this. I won't give up my dream of becoming the world's best POKéMON trainer!

Goldenrod Underground



Man, I didn't mean to give the kid an existential crisis. It's just a game, man.



: You show up here, you're nothing but a victim!



Okay, time to clean out the Rockets in this area. And now we have an interesting puzzle that to this day... I have no idea how to solve it in a way that gets me everything. I'll muddle through.



There are three switches that can be turned on or off, so you just keep trying different combinations until you find your way. If you want to just proceed straight away, then just press 3-2-1 and you can skip the whole thing.



I pressed some buttons and this let me do this. I dunno.

"they finished."

: I'm searching for leftover loot.



These guys are a nice change of pace, I won't skip over them.



: What do you want to go there for? There's nothing down there.



The Smoke Ball lets a Pokemon escape from a wild battle if it's holding it, no matter what. It's a real bad item, since it's one use. I think. Someone could correct me but that means you've used this item before and aha, trap sprung! The hidden Revive, meanwhile, was a bitch to find.



Neat. One down.



You look like a fruit!



Nay, me hearties! ...why isn't there a Pirate class yet? And no, Neo Team Plasma does not count, Jim lad.

"crime, kid!"

What do you think I've been doing all game? It's all you do in RPGs!



Still not interesting.



Instead of fiddling with all these switches to reach items and that, just reach the exit and press this switch to open all the doors. Duh!



I've always found those doors weird, but now we're in the Underground's... Underground? Sure.



Item.



Rocket. Level. Man, this needs to be over soon.



This guy is still cool though.



I can't believe we had to wait this long to get one of the best hold items. The Amulet Coin doubles the money you receive at the end of the battle if your Pokemon participated. The earlier you get it, the more you benefit. The fact you get this and the Exp. Share so late is why Gen 2 is the worst gen ever.



Kakarott can hold this, since I'll probably never pick up another Charcoal.




Ah, finally. This is why I've been holding off Jeremiah's evolution for so long. Now there's nothing stopping me.



Hmm, potentially useful. Sleep Talk (Negoto) is a Normal status move that can only be used when the user is asleep. It then selects another move the Pokemon knows except for Sleep Talk and uses it, including moves that no longer have PP, as only PP for Sleep Talk is deducted. Annoyingly, if Rest is chosen in this way, the Pokemon will restore its health to full like an rear end in a top hat. It also cannot select certain moves, such as Bide, Dig, Fly, Metronome, Mirror Move, Skull Bash, Sky Attack, Solarbeam or Razor Wind.

"rescue me?"

: Thank you! The RADIO TOWER! What's happening there? Taken over by TEAM ROCKET? Here. Take this CARD KEY.

"ters on 3F."

: I'm beging you to help. There's no telling what they'll do if they control the transmitter. They may even be able to control POKéMON using a special signal! You're the only one I can call on. Please save the RADIO TOWER... And all the POKéMON nationwide!



Well this all sounds pretty serious, but we'll be finishing up the Team Rocket Takeover...

Rocket-Dan Takeover!



Right now!



N-Nooooooo?



Up we go.

"through this?"

: MEOWTH, help me!



Meowth... that's wrong!

"fortress!"

: You're not taking another step!



Bring it Prot- I mean, unnamed executive! Let's see what terrifying Pokemon the fortress has!



I hate Neo Team Rocket so much.

"some advice."

: It's not too late. You can still turn back.



Like hell! There's only two more Rocket Executives to take down and this whole experience can be put behind me. Onwards!

"MAHOGANY TOWN?"

: I lost then, but I won't this time.



Maybe you could be a challenge?



Well that's something different. Glare (Hebinirami: Snake Glare) is a Normal status move with 30PP and 75% accuracy that paralyzes the opponent. It's not as good as Thunder Wave, but it can paralyze Ground types at the cost of not affecting Ghost types. So pick your poison.



Helios learned a move and it's... Future Sight (Mirai Yochi), a Psychic move with 80BP, 15PP and 90% accuracy that doesn't do anything initially, but two turns later, it hits the opponent and deals damage using the user's Special Attack and the opponent's Special Defense AT TIME OF USE, so it could do more or less damage then it would've if the opponent switches out. Despite being a Psychic move, it ignores typing and so can hit Dark types, but not receive STAB. It cannot crit, nor can it be used multiple times at once, but it can hit opponent's using Protect or Detect. It's a weird move, but it's Helios's first special move, would you believe it?




HP: 75 | ATK: 80 | DEF: 85 | SP.ATK: 100 | SP.DEF: 90 | SPD: 50 | TOTAL: 480
#085: Vileplume



: I fought hard, but I still lost...



: A brat like you won't appreciate the magnificence of TEAM ROCKET. That's too bad. I really admire your power.

Oh great, we've made a fan. Man, let's end this already before they try and make me their leader.



: You must be quite the trainer. We intend to take over this RADIO STATION and announce our comeback. That should bring our boss GIOVANNI back from his solo training. We are going to regain our former glory. I won't allow you to interfere with our plans.

Team Rocket Battle



Okay, here's the final battle... against a nameless executive we've never met before. How's that for dramatic investment? I do like the remakes attempt to change this, but Archer ends up pretty bland because the guy he's based on is also pretty bland. Ah, whatever, I'll talk about that when we get there.




HP: 45 | ATK: 60 | DEF: 30 | SP.ATK: 80 | SP.DEF: 50 | SPD: 65 | TOTAL: 330
#209: Houndour



It's so cute and cool, but so frail. Oh well, next!




HP: 75 | ATK: 90 | DEF: 50 | SP.ATK: 110 | SP.DEF: 80 | SPD: 95 | TOTAL: 500
#210: Houndoom



This is really the best guy in Team Rocket right now?



Alright, cool. It's been a wild ride, but this whole takeover crap has been severely uninteresting. Please go, thank you.



Unsurprisingly, I win.



: Our dreams have come to naught. I wasn't up to the task after all. Like GIOVANNI did before me, I will disband TEAM ROCKET here today. Farewell.



Oh thank god it's over.

Goldenrod City



: Your courageous actions have saved POKéMON nationwide. I know it's not much, but please take this.



Ooh, I smell a plot dump next update.

"in GOLDENROD CITY."

: But it was old and creaky. So we replaced it with our RADIO TOWER. We dug up that bell during construction. I heard that all sorts of POKéMON lived in GOLDENROD in the past. Perhaps... That bell has some connection to the TIN TOWER in ECRUTEAK CITY...



: I overheard TEAM ROCKET whispering. Apparently, something is going on at the TIN TOWER. I have no idea what is happening, but you might look into it. OK, I better go to my OFFICE.



I was more concerned about this item than the Executive, honestly. Will be useful in future.



Everything's getting back to normal again.



: Will you take this as my thanks?



: It's just right for POKéMON that know normal-type moves.

I really think this should've been a Polkadot Bow, but whatever.



Ooh, neat. I might find a use for this later.



We could give this to Kakarott, but you usually need a bit more of a justification to use weather moves. We'll see.



: You know, I love POKéMON. I built this RADIO TOWER so I could express my love of POKéMON. It would be nice if people enjoyed our programs.



: The DIRECTOR is nice again, just as he was before.

Hmm, funny that. Anyway, we're nearly done, but there's just one last thing to do in the Radio Tower.



: Hmm... There isn't a prize for hitting 30 points, but... You came by so often, MARINA. I'll make you a special deal! How would you like my phone number?

Hell yeah! (Goddamn this was a bitch to grind for...)



: I look forward to hearing from you!



Phew. There we go, all done. While it wasn't a huge amount of fun, we got some good experience, some neat items and saw some new Pokemon. Overall, I'd be fine with not doing that again. Anyway, there's something going on at the Tin Tower? Sure. Sounds good. Next time.

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Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

The doors in the Underground don't take you to the "Underground's underground", they take you to the Department Store basement. It's easy to notice, once you defeat the Rockets you can just go up into the actual department store.

I'm not sure why they're connected like that, but that's how it is.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

I really don't understand where they put houndoom in this one. You can't catch it until the post game, at which point it's going to be under leveled and you fight like a whopping 3 of them the whole game. Why did they bother making a new monster if it's basically not in the game?

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

FoolyCharged posted:

I really don't understand where they put houndoom in this one. You can't catch it until the post game, at which point it's going to be under leveled and you fight like a whopping 3 of them the whole game. Why did they bother making a new monster if it's basically not in the game?

IIRC they did the same thing with every dark-type except Umbreon - you don't see wild sneasels until this game's equivalent of the Unknown Dungeon. The dratini analogue doesn't show up until you're in Mount Silver.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

FoolyCharged posted:

I really don't understand where they put houndoom in this one. You can't catch it until the post game, at which point it's going to be under leveled and you fight like a whopping 3 of them the whole game. Why did they bother making a new monster if it's basically not in the game?

Even generations are always awful with new Pokemon distribution. Gen 2 has several Pokemon locked in Kanto, far too late to matter (even moreso since this is Gen 2, the generation that hates the idea of you ever changing your team), Gen 4 outright puts some of its Pokemon outside its own Pokedex because gently caress you I guess (especially gently caress you if you wanted to use a Fire type), and Gen 6 talks about Mega Evolution all game long then locks nearly all of them in the postgame because you should be using Lucario or your starter, why do you want choices?

SonicRulez
Aug 6, 2013

GOTTA GO FIST
Surely Team Aqua qualifies as a team of pirates.

Houndour's distribution is just another shame. I love Gen 2, but man did it screw up introducing Johto Pokemon. Hey, you want a Misdreavus? gently caress you. That's why in the remake I jumped through all the hoops necessary to get a Tyranitar before Mt. Silver. My turn to flip off Game Freak.

rannum
Nov 3, 2012

Blaze Dragon posted:

Even generations are always awful with new Pokemon distribution. Gen 2 has several Pokemon locked in Kanto, far too late to matter (even moreso since this is Gen 2, the generation that hates the idea of you ever changing your team), Gen 4 outright puts some of its Pokemon outside its own Pokedex because gently caress you I guess (especially gently caress you if you wanted to use a Fire type), and Gen 6 talks about Mega Evolution all game long then locks nearly all of them in the postgame because you should be using Lucario or your starter, why do you want choices?

In gen 4's defense, they at least fixed their mistake in Platinum. Then they messed up again with the evolution additions in HGSS because of course they did, but still!

And while XY messed up mega evolution, ORAS put in more before the climax over all (primarily the hoenn dex, which is good) and then before even fighting Wallace you could gather all the rest. Also at least XY made a point to showcase the slim number of pokemon. Almost every route had at least one and every leader had one as their ace.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
Can we agree that Johto Team Rocket is the lamest team?

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

definitely. In a way that would be charming if you didn't have to fight 5 million under leveled goons every time they cropped up.

AradoBalanga
Jan 3, 2013

Blaze Dragon posted:

Gen 4 outright puts some of its Pokemon outside its own Pokedex because gently caress you I guess (especially gently caress you if you wanted to use a Fire type)
Diamond and Pearl screwing over Fire-type distribution is even more baffling when one of the Elite Four for the Sinnoh region IS a Fire-type specialist. You'd think that'd give them some priority over other typing distributions and be more spread out. But nope, Flint gets two Onixes (Onixi?) because the only pre-National Dex Fire types are the Chimchar line and the Ponyta line. But like rannum said, GameFreak did realize they hosed things up and shuffled the 'mons around for Platinum to make things easier for people. I'd say that Platinum is probably the best showing for Houndour because it's one of the few times you can use them effectively and without needing to jump through about a million hoops to get one. I like that fire dog a lot, and it's a drat shame that it gets shafted almost all over the place.

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

Can we agree that Johto Team Rocket is the lamest team?
They at least are the most "screwed over by the game design" enemy faction in the series. Johto's level curve really hurts everything in the region, and not just the player.

hopeandjoy
Nov 28, 2014



Hobgoblin2099 posted:

Can we agree that Johto Team Rocket is the lamest team?

It doesn't help that they have no identity without a leader nor a threatening plot. Just comparing the rescued teams, Neo Plasma has two leaders, one of which stalks the PC for Science (tm), and is one of the more threatening teams while Neo Rocket has no unique leaders in Gen 2, the leaders never appear outside of the Rocket dungeons in Gen 4, and their plot is ":qq:please come home dad:qq:".

MagusofStars
Mar 31, 2012



SonicRulez posted:

Houndour's distribution is just another shame. I love Gen 2, but man did it screw up introducing Johto Pokemon. Hey, you want a Misdreavus? gently caress you. That's why in the remake I jumped through all the hoops necessary to get a Tyranitar before Mt. Silver. My turn to flip off Game Freak.

I actually did a playthrough of Gen 2 where I used "spawn any pokemon" codes to catch Pokemon that weren't available till post-game early and use them throughout the game. It's been a few years, so I can't remember the entire group I used, but I remember that Houndour was a freakin' all-star and the Larvitar line was pretty solid, though kinda boring. I also remember Raikou being oddly underwhelming FWIW, probably because it's not really intended to be caught at level 5 and the moveset reflects that.

If you ever replay some of the later Gens (particularly #2, but also #4 to a lesser extent), you should totally try this; it totally changes the flavor of the game.

Roro
Oct 9, 2012

HOO'S HEAD GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND?

rannum posted:

In gen 4's defense, they at least fixed their mistake in Platinum. Then they messed up again with the evolution additions in HGSS because of course they did, but still!

And while XY messed up mega evolution, ORAS put in more before the climax over all (primarily the hoenn dex, which is good) and then before even fighting Wallace you could gather all the rest. Also at least XY made a point to showcase the slim number of pokemon. Almost every route had at least one and every leader had one as their ace.

Yeah but then they locked the Altaritite behind beating all of the contests which was a huge gently caress you to anyone who doesn't like them (read: me).

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

Roro posted:

Yeah but then they locked the Altaritite behind beating all of the contests which was a huge gently caress you to anyone who doesn't like them (read: me).

No, that's the Lucarionite, which is easily obtainable in XY. Altarianite is obtained in Lilycove in the postgame by showing a Lisia fan your own Altaria.

Crosspeice fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Jul 28, 2016

Solumin
Jan 11, 2013

Crosspeice posted:

No, that's the Lucarionite, which is easily obtainable in XY. Altarianite is obtained in Lilycove in the postgame by showing a Lisia fan your own Altaria.

Correct, except I'm pretty sure you don't have to wait until postgame. You just need an Altaria in your party.

Zuzie
Jun 30, 2005

I got this for a Ratatta on GTS.


I do appreciate that you can capture Flabebe and a newly-typed Ralts so early in X and Y (if I recall, right after the first gym). Imagine if you couldn't find Fairy types until later on?

rannum
Nov 3, 2012

MagusofStars posted:

I actually did a playthrough of Gen 2 where I used "spawn any pokemon" codes to catch Pokemon that weren't available till post-game early and use them throughout the game. It's been a few years, so I can't remember the entire group I used, but I remember that Houndour was a freakin' all-star and the Larvitar line was pretty solid, though kinda boring. I also remember Raikou being oddly underwhelming FWIW, probably because it's not really intended to be caught at level 5 and the moveset reflects that.

If you ever replay some of the later Gens (particularly #2, but also #4 to a lesser extent), you should totally try this; it totally changes the flavor of the game.

Used a Houndour in Platinum, it was great.

Actually that reminds me of the dumbest part about Houndour being post game: it evolves at a pretty solid level of 24.
That would be perfect for Johto's nonsense level schemes, put it in line with a lot of other new lines (Snubble's level 23, Marill's level 18, Wooper's level 20 etc) and give a solid pokemon for the morty/jasmine/pryce level quagmire

slugma, the other weird post-game evolution line, evolves at level 38 for comparison.

Silegna
Aug 20, 2013

Hey, heads up. I'm about to unleash my rage.

hopeandjoy posted:

It doesn't help that they have no identity without a leader nor a threatening plot. Just comparing the rescued teams, Neo Plasma has two leaders, one of which stalks the PC for Science (tm), and is one of the more threatening teams while Neo Rocket has no unique leaders in Gen 2, the leaders never appear outside of the Rocket dungeons in Gen 4, and their plot is ":qq:please come home dad:qq:".

I think it's less ":qq:please come home dad:qq:", and more NOTICE ME SENPAI.

dungeon cousin
Nov 26, 2012

woop woop
loop loop

AradoBalanga posted:

Diamond and Pearl screwing over Fire-type distribution is even more baffling when one of the Elite Four for the Sinnoh region IS a Fire-type specialist. You'd think that'd give them some priority over other typing distributions and be more spread out. But nope, Flint gets two Onixes (Onixi?) because the only pre-National Dex Fire types are the Chimchar line and the Ponyta line.

Are you confusing Flint for Bruno? Flint actually has a Steelix and only one. Gamefreak's been pretty good about not giving Elite Four member multiples of one species after Gen III. Well, other than ORAS.

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender
Flint still only had 2 fire types on his team, although the rest had one or two fire moves each. Which is a bit more interesting than the usual monotype GL/E4 teams if you ask me, even if it only happened because of poor planning.

dungeon cousin
Nov 26, 2012

woop woop
loop loop
Yeah, I'm pretty ok with Flint and Volkner's DP teams. I like the idea of type-specialists also having a Pokemon that can cover their weaknesses. It's also nice if the Pokemon vaguely resemble their theme. For example Flint has a hot air balloon and creature tempered by the heat and pressure of the Earth. Lopunny could count too if your one of those people who would apply the other meaning of hot to it.

PizzaProwler
Nov 4, 2009

Or you can see me at The Riviera. Tuesday nights.
Pillowfights with Dominican mothers.
I like Gen 2's Team Rocket because they have faceless lieutenants as their leaders, reflecting the power vacuum left by Giovanni. That being said, I really dislike how story-heavy the recent generations have been. Characters in the game talk for so goddamn long now about ancient legends and the fate of the world. Like... tone it down once in a while, Game Freak.

AradoBalanga
Jan 3, 2013

Cerony posted:

Are you confusing Flint for Bruno? Flint actually has a Steelix and only one. Gamefreak's been pretty good about not giving Elite Four member multiples of one species after Gen III. Well, other than ORAS.
Yeah, I got Flint and Bruno mixed up, mostly because I played Platinum and only briefly looked at Diamond. Then again, both had similar team issues (not enough of their specialty type to work with for a full team), albeit Bruno's the more bizarre case because GameFreak could have easily given him enough Fighting types to work with (e.g., swap in Machoke and Poliwrath for those two Onixes he has). The point is that GameFreak has this weird roller coaster approach to type distribution even after 20 years of being a big name franchise, and I probably will never understand their thought process on this topic.

dungeon cousin
Nov 26, 2012

woop woop
loop loop

AradoBalanga posted:

Yeah, I got Flint and Bruno mixed up, mostly because I played Platinum and only briefly looked at Diamond. Then again, both had similar team issues (not enough of their specialty type to work with for a full team), albeit Bruno's the more bizarre case because GameFreak could have easily given him enough Fighting types to work with (e.g., swap in Machoke and Poliwrath for those two Onixes he has). The point is that GameFreak has this weird roller coaster approach to type distribution even after 20 years of being a big name franchise, and I probably will never understand their thought process on this topic.

With Poliwrath and Primeape there are definitely enough Fighting-types in Gen I for Bruno so it is strange that he has two Onix. Maybe it's like a character thing since he is said to and shown training in rough and mountainous areas. Poliwrath would have been a nice addition considering that nobody has one in Kanto. Unless you raise one yourself you won't see a Poliwrath in the series until you battle Chuck.

SonicRulez
Aug 6, 2013

GOTTA GO FIST

MagusofStars posted:

I actually did a playthrough of Gen 2 where I used "spawn any pokemon" codes to catch Pokemon that weren't available till post-game early and use them throughout the game. It's been a few years, so I can't remember the entire group I used, but I remember that Houndour was a freakin' all-star and the Larvitar line was pretty solid, though kinda boring. I also remember Raikou being oddly underwhelming FWIW, probably because it's not really intended to be caught at level 5 and the moveset reflects that.

If you ever replay some of the later Gens (particularly #2, but also #4 to a lesser extent), you should totally try this; it totally changes the flavor of the game.

I did a randomizer for Gen III a while back and it was fairly interesting. Kingdra is a ridiculous Pokemon to have in the early game. There's a lot of Normal types and Flying types which have no issue, but the gym leaders are all completely unprepared. I might give it a go in Gen II though. On a weird note, one of the things I love about Pokemon Go is that its random nature means I go with whatever I can find. I'm not big on using 'mons outside of my comfort zone. Or rather, when the game gives me Red Gyarados, what do you want me to do? Use a Tentacruel?

SkyTalon2314
Aug 8, 2013

SonicRulez posted:

I did a randomizer for Gen III a while back and it was fairly interesting. Kingdra is a ridiculous Pokemon to have in the early game. There's a lot of Normal types and Flying types which have no issue, but the gym leaders are all completely unprepared. I might give it a go in Gen II though. On a weird note, one of the things I love about Pokemon Go is that its random nature means I go with whatever I can find. I'm not big on using 'mons outside of my comfort zone. Or rather, when the game gives me Red Gyarados, what do you want me to do? Use a Tentacruel?

I have a hacker for GS, and used to use it to give myself new starters. Change the species and moves to be appropriate, then pop the cartridge into Stadium 2, which would then 'fix' the stats to be species appropriate.

Did the game as Dratini-only once, and another as Scyther, but Scyther I had to 'cheat' and use my HM slave Togepi in order to beat Jasmine because Scyther didn't learn anything that could be useful against her. Did evolve into Scizor once I got to Kanto, and the game gives you a Metal Coat.

Aithon
Jan 3, 2014

Every puzzle has an answer.
Regarding Muk's Japanese name, "beton" means "concrete" in many languages, including Polish and French. :eng101: It was certainly the first association I had when I saw "betobeton".

SonicRulez
Aug 6, 2013

GOTTA GO FIST

SkyTalon2314 posted:

I have a hacker for GS, and used to use it to give myself new starters. Change the species and moves to be appropriate, then pop the cartridge into Stadium 2, which would then 'fix' the stats to be species appropriate.

Did the game as Dratini-only once, and another as Scyther, but Scyther I had to 'cheat' and use my HM slave Togepi in order to beat Jasmine because Scyther didn't learn anything that could be useful against her. Did evolve into Scizor once I got to Kanto, and the game gives you a Metal Coat.

Stop me if this is an awful derail, but I am infinitely curious about a Dratini only run. Unless Dratini learns Dragon Rage really early, that sounds like hell. Wrap, Twister, and the like are all terrible.

SkyTalon2314
Aug 8, 2013

SonicRulez posted:

Stop me if this is an awful derail, but I am infinitely curious about a Dratini only run. Unless Dratini learns Dragon Rage really early, that sounds like hell. Wrap, Twister, and the like are all terrible.

Level 22. He also gets Headbutt via TM, so if you can get your hands on that, you're a lot more golden. It was NOT an easy run as I recall, but mono-pokemon challenges tend to do alright simply from how over leveled you often become.

Honestly, if I wasn't so busy with other games (including trying to clear all the Battle Maison in Alpha Sapphire), I'd probably give it another shot with an emulator or something, given that I doubt my original GS cartridges are any good anymore.

BlazetheInferno
Jun 6, 2015

SonicRulez posted:

Stop me if this is an awful derail, but I am infinitely curious about a Dratini only run. Unless Dratini learns Dragon Rage really early, that sounds like hell. Wrap, Twister, and the like are all terrible.

To be fair, Twister is really just the dragon-type tackle.

Tactless Ogre
Oct 31, 2011

BlazetheInferno posted:

To be fair, Twister is really just the dragon-type tackle.

More like the Dragon-type gust. I think it deals double damage to flying foes as well.

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

Update 32: End of the Raging North Winds

Ecruteak City



I heard there was justification of a third version nearby. Let's go check it out.



m8, you're still blocking the way.

"to leave."

: .................. Ah! The sound of that CLEAR BELL! It... It's sublime! I've never heard so beautiful a sound before! That bell's chime is indicative of the bearer's soul. You... You may be able to make it through TIN TOWER. Please, do go on.



Been a while since I've seen this many old men down a back passage.



: Legend has it that upon the emergence of a trainer who has the ability to touch the souls of POKéMON, a POKéMON will come forth to put that trainer to test at the TIN TOWER. The legend has come true! The legendary POKéMON SUICUNE has arrived! We, the WISE TRIO, shall test your worthiness to go inside!



So, souls of Pokemon? Test? Legendary Pokemon? I just got a bell, I don't feel like I'm the one true successor, or whatever. Still, extra experience!



Half of this update is gonna be like old men talking at us about destiny and bullshit. Like every other magical girl anime.

"while they slept?"

: Unbelievable! Legend has it that they can't be seen while they sleep...



Oh, hi there.



Can't me beating up your friend be enough to gain your trust?



Finally, Kakarott, sheesh.



Now it's actually useful again, cause man it was falling behind.

"towers here."

: The BRASS TOWER, which was said to awaken POKéMON, and the TIN TOWER, where POKéMON were said to rest. The view from the tops of the TOWERS must have been significant. At the time, an immense, silver-colored POKéMON was said to make its roost atop the BRASS TOWER.



: About 150 years ago, a lightning bolt struck one of the TOWERS. It was engulfed in flames that raged for three days. A sudden downpour finally put out the blaze. And that is how the BURNED TOWER came to be.



Whaaaaaaaaat nooooooooooow?



Fiiiiiiiiiiine. Here's my flaming badger.



Neat. Reflect (Rifurekutā: Reflector) is a Psychic status move with 20PP that lasts 5 turns and reduces physical damage by half for the entire team. It's an excellent move that will become more useful with the Light Clay in a couple generations. Under the right circumstances, it might make your team freaking unkillable. For a few turns.



A big problem with Body Slam is that it paralyzes. That's bad specifically in this gen where we might accidentally paralyze a Pokemon we want to catch, instead of putting it to sleep and boosting the catch rate.



If you challenge me to another battle I swear to god...



: I see... We, the WISE TRIO, have been given the responsibility of protecting the legendary POKéMON. We are to allow passage only to those people who possess the power and soul of truth. Please, do go on and enter the TIN TOWER ahead. SUICUNE will put you to the test.



Alright...



Our first legendary of the game.

"roost here."

It is a highly excellent idea to save here. You don't get no second chances for legendaries until Platinum. Good luck.

Tin Tower



VS Legendary Beast :siren: VS Suicune :siren:




HP: 100 | ATK: 75 | DEF: 115 | SP.ATK: 90 | SP.DEF: 115 | SPD: 85 | TOTAL: 580
#240: Suicune



Suicune is a bit of a tough cookie, being very defensive and with a low catch rate. Thankfully, it has no recovery, so it's only a matter of time.



This will become Jeremiah's MO if the wild Pokemon either can't survive a hit, or resists Surf. Really don't want to paralyze the Pokemon I'm trying to catch.



I'm also glad Suicune has gently caress all for moves.



I wonder how many heart attacks Jeremiah has given me over the course of this LP. And how many she has yet to give me. But this is basically perfect, it might as well be at 1 health. However, even with everything going my way, I only have a 6% chance of catching this thing with an Ultra Ball. So, here we go.



Grrrrrrrrrrrr.



I should've bought some more Ultra Balls, but that's why I saved beforehand. Still, got plenty of Great Balls, which only lowers my chance to 5.5%, so it's not a big deal.



And, well, there we go. Easy enough.



Alright, now the next two dogs are gonna pop out and challenge me in the same way... right? :sigh:

Eusine's Theme



Oh hey Eusine and various old men.



: I've never seen a battle that great. That was truly inspiring to see. SUICUNE was tough, but you were even more incredible, MARINA. I heard SUICUNE's mystic power summons a rainbow-colored POKéMON.



: I'm going to study the legends more. Thanks for showing me that fantastic battle. Later, MARINA!

Tin Tower



: However... A rainbow-colored POKéMON... In other words... HO-OH descended from the sky and gave new life to the three POKéMON. They are... SUICUNE, ENTEI and RAIKOU. That is what they say.



: When the souls of POKéMON and humans commune, from the heavens descends a POKéMON of rainbow colors... Could it mean the legendary POKéMON are testing us humans?



: That was 700 years ago, but the ideal still remains today.

Mahogany Town



Well that was a lot of fun, but now it's time to continue our journey... next update. Cause we're gonna finish off with something special. That's right, it's time for Jeremiah's evolution. So what are we gonna choose? We have the items necessary to evolve it into either Poliwrath or Politoed. Using a Water Stone is easy enough, but using the King's Rock requires us to trade. That's pretty difficult on an emulator and we've never done anything like that previously right?

Pokemon Communication Center



Wrong. Welcome back to Japanese Crystal. Our ol' boy Kenta is gonna help us evolve Jeremiah into a Politoed.




And a 可愛い to you too, miss.



We still need to do this, even though we're trading with another Crystal game. I don't get it. Still, this should be fine, right?



Wait, what?



Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh



So this is some random twat from English Gold. He's going to help me evolve Jeremiah into Politoed. The different characters between Japanese games and other, Latin using games causes the horrific breakdown, since unlike later games, they're only programmed with the one set of characters, or a limited amount.



The fairest of trades.




HP: 90 | ATK: 75 | DEF: 75 | SP.ATK: 90 | SP.DEF: 100 | SPD: 70 | TOTAL: 500
#075: Politoed



No. Perish Song (Horobi no Uta) is a Normal status move with 5PP that gives all Pokemon on the field a Perish count that starts at 3 and ticks down by 1 each turn. When it reaches 0, the Pokemon faints, no matter what. You can get around the count by switching out, which is something the AI doesn't really do. Overall, it can be pretty useful, but Jeremiah does not have a moveslot to spare.



Good to have you back, bullfrog. For other trade evolutions, I probably won't bother doing all this hassle and just catch them in the wild in appropriate places.




But we're not done just yet. Our first two Pokemon haven't been too useful for a good chunk of the game due to stats and movepool, so we need to change that.



It's finally time to add in the punching moves to our repertoire. Kakarott could really benefit from another special move to help him cover certain types, like Water.



Of course, Jeremiah gets the Ice move to help with, well, a lot of things, but more specifically Grass types as well as a type we're gonna be seeing a lot of pretty soon.



And finally, we might as well get the other two starters. Progress!




I'm feeling a lot more prepared for the road ahead and I'm just itching to beat something up.

Lake of Rage



: That is our destiny.



Oh look, a volunteer.



Look at this loving smug as gently caress frog. I love it.



Everything's coming up MARINA.



Love you too.



And on those words of wisdom, we'll end it there. Next time, after all this dumb and distracting plot stuff, it's time to move on to new locations. Smell ya!

Crosspeice fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Jul 31, 2016

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

Yay, you got the bad Poli evo. How neat :geno:

Also I think it might be more diferent alphabets than different languages on trading, I can't remember ever having trouble trading between my Spanish Blue and my English Silver and Crystal.

Delirare
Sep 27, 2015
I found my old Crystal cartridge at my parent's house. Unfortunately the battery died during the last fifteen years of keeping track of time and what day it is.

SonicRulez
Aug 6, 2013

GOTTA GO FIST
Suicune, the absolute breaker of games. It was awesome discovering that nothing in the game could do much to even inconvenience my murderwolf let alone faint it.

beru04
May 4, 2013

Stop making me realise things.
Goddamn I forgot how incredible the Legendary Dogs music was.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

SonicRulez posted:

Suicune, the absolute breaker of games. It was awesome discovering that nothing in the game could do much to even inconvenience my murderwolf let alone faint it.

Huh. I never used it, because I already had a shitload of good water types with ice moves so I saw Suicune's typing and tossed it in the computer.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
Evolutions! :dance:

beru04 posted:

Goddamn I forgot how incredible the Legendary Dogs music was.

They actually use the same battle theme from Crystal for the fights with them in OR/AS. I was surprised it wasn't the HG/SS version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfp4uodPfaE

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

Blaze Dragon posted:

Yay, you got the bad Poli evo. How neat :geno:

Also I think it might be more diferent alphabets than different languages on trading, I can't remember ever having trouble trading between my Spanish Blue and my English Silver and Crystal.

Them's fighting words, boy.

And I believe you are correct that it's the differing characters of the two languages that cause the problem. Both games are unable to display the other's properly, unlike the more recent games.

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

They actually use the same battle theme from Crystal for the fights with them in OR/AS. I was surprised it wasn't the HG/SS version.

That's because that's the dimension Hoopa pulls them from. Making me believe that the Pokemon universe has three timelines: Classic/Modern/Mega

I love multiverse Pokemon theory.

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Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

well you see when Dialga uses the Roar of Time

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