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peer
Jan 17, 2004

this is not what I wanted
The beastmen variant of Chaos Spawn look cool/gross

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Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.
Khazrak and the Doom Bull have some really good support chains, also the Bull has some chains that lock other skills, so you now must choose, for example you can get a 2-kill chain that improve army ambush and leadership or recruit costs and xp for recruits, not both.

Also just fighted an ambush against an imperial army more or less equal my numbers, had 3/4 in my favor of autoresolve, all basic units, fighted it manually and got a phyrric victory, nearly wiped out.

drat, beastmen suffer a lot in long grinding battles.

Kainser
Apr 27, 2010

O'er the sea from the north
there sails a ship
With the people of Hel
at the helm stands Loki
After the wolf
do wild men follow
Mutually exclusive skills for the Minotaur heroes is really neat, wish they'll expand on stuff like that to make leveling more interesting.

Also holy poo poo minotaurs are strong

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

Archonex posted:

Initial review of the expansion (Because from looking at it that's what it is.):

loving awesome. Minotaurs are hilarious. Get them as soon as possible. They're like cavalry that can actually stand in a fight and have the insane offensive power of VC's monsters. Watching them just go horns down and plow through a unit of spearmen is great.

They're easily the best monstrous infantry in the game right now and you can even get a shield carrying variant to neutralise the main weakness of big guys.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Ilustforponydeath posted:

Any Nvidia users care to report on the performance in DX12 now?

Downloading now. Mind you, I'm running a 960m so my performance won't be that fast to begin with, but I will hopefully see some difference.

blindwoozie
Mar 1, 2008

Okay, so I just fired up a Beastmen custom battle and I wish I had saved the replay, because I don't know what the gently caress happened.

I did a simple Empire (AI) versus me as the Beastmen. I gave them a standard army, 3 Hellstorm Rocket Batteries and 1 Amber Wizard. I had about 6 Ungor Spears w/ Shields and 4 Bestigors as my main line. The Amber Wizard flew over on his griffin, and while I was paying attention to another part of the battle I had noticed my line evaporated. 5 units completely wiped out without routing, almost instantaneously. I hovered over them before they evaporated and saw the 'Flock of Doom' damage/debuff spell at the last second, I can't remember if it was overcasted. The main line was getting peppered with rockets at the same time, so I don't know if they destroyed the health of my units? Did the rocket batteries get buffed? I've tested the spell multiple times just now (both standard and overcasted) and did not get nearly as much damage as the AI did (unless they resisted every attempt, it does have a 'High' chance to be resisted). Let me know if you guys find anything weird with Flock of Doom, gonna go toy around with it some more.

peer posted:

The beastmen variant of Chaos Spawn look cool/gross

The little bull tails sprouting from their heads (do Chaos Spawn have heads?) are adorable and disgusting.

DeathSandwich
Apr 24, 2008

I fucking hate puzzles.
Can anyone say what the recruitment requirements are for the other legendary lord you don't pick at the beginning?

Also, kind of sad we didn't get the Kholek-styled Brass Bull legendary lord for beastmen. He seems like he would be peak shitwrecker.

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

DeathSandwich posted:

Can anyone say what the recruitment requirements are for the other legendary lord you don't pick at the beginning?

Someone already did and it was not very long ago at all so try reading.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

DeathSandwich
Apr 24, 2008

I fucking hate puzzles.

Chomp8645 posted:

Someone already did and it was not very long ago at all so try reading.

It was the last post of the last page and I hadn't refreshed the thread before my last post, so try being less lovely.

Archonex
May 2, 2012

MY OPINION IS SEERS OF THE THRONE PROPAGANDA IGNORE MY GNOSIS-IMPAIRED RAMBLINGS

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

They're easily the best monstrous infantry in the game right now and you can even get a shield carrying variant to neutralise the main weakness of big guys.

The Gorebull and Minotaurs are hysterical with the blood DLC.

The Gorebull just loving cannon balled into a unit of swordsmen. We're talking a full blown sprinting belly flop that had him skidding on the ground and kicking up a ridiculous storm of gore everywhere. It was like watching a cannonball plow through a unit in Napoleon. Then it got up and swung it's axe and caused like seven guys to just explode.

Top notch animations either way. Their animations are so over the top that they border on being comical.

Archonex fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Jul 28, 2016

Aurubin
Mar 17, 2011

Well based on a quick 45 minutes before work, Estalia, Tilea, and the Border Princes definitely won't be conquering everything anymore.

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

DeathSandwich posted:

It was the last post of the last page and I hadn't refreshed the thread before my last post, so try being less lovely.

Ok I will. Together we can both make it on our road to self improvement.

KM Scorchio
Feb 13, 2008

"If you don't find rape hilarious, you're a sensitive crybaby."
So my brayherd mechanic seems to be broken on the grand campaign. Every time if fill the meter it drops back down to just below the "generate herd" bar without and unit/popup. Hmmm.

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe
I feel like a Minotaur goring through a line of Imperial swordsmen as they scream "The Gods have abandoned us!" is the purest distillation of TW:W.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

KM Scorchio posted:

So my brayherd mechanic seems to be broken on the grand campaign. Every time if fill the meter it drops back down to just below the "generate herd" bar without and unit/popup. Hmmm.

If it works like waaaghs, you need a big army in the parent stack.

Gay Horney
Feb 10, 2013

by Reene
Is there an option to select the mini campaign when hosting a multi-player campaign? What's the minicampaign like anyway? drat work I wish I could play!

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Okay, it seems they didn't actually enable DX12 for the 960m like they said they did in the patch notes. It's still greyed out for me. What the gently caress.

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.
Some of the beastmen campaign mechanics are super strong, the Dark Moon phase that fully replenish your army for two turns at the cost of growth is beastly if you manage to time it after a tough fight, like a siege.

Also, due to the nature of the terrain in the mini-campaign you can do a lot of fuckery, like luring out several enemy armies protecting a settlementent, because they are stronger than you they will chase you a lot through the narrow snaking roads of the forest, then you can use the best paths to mover over the terrain back to the settlement and raze it before the enemy comes back.

My only complaints so far are that minotaurs get shredded by auto-resolve, as always, and attrition caused by chaos corruption is super weak, only kills like one soldier per regiment and it's completely negated by replenishment.

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe
I'm determined not to use auto-resolve once in the mini-campaign. I'm way too reliant on it.

Kainser
Apr 27, 2010

O'er the sea from the north
there sails a ship
With the people of Hel
at the helm stands Loki
After the wolf
do wild men follow

Deified Data posted:

I'm determined not to use auto-resolve once in the mini-campaign. I'm way too reliant on it.

Yeah, I feel the same way. I was looking up random youtubers playing beastmen before it was released and one of them recommended this mod which essentially makes the AI 100% stronger in autoresolve: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=705086465

You can still autoresolve the stompier battles but I no longer feel like I'm being incentivized to skip the entire battle part of the game.

KM Scorchio
Feb 13, 2008

"If you don't find rape hilarious, you're a sensitive crybaby."

Fangz posted:

If it works like waaaghs, you need a big army in the parent stack.

gently caress. I only played orcs once when the game first came out and this confused me then as well. Thanks.

DeathSandwich
Apr 24, 2008

I fucking hate puzzles.

Angry Lobster posted:

Some of the beastmen campaign mechanics are super strong, the Dark Moon phase that fully replenish your army for two turns at the cost of growth is beastly if you manage to time it after a tough fight, like a siege.

Also, due to the nature of the terrain in the mini-campaign you can do a lot of fuckery, like luring out several enemy armies protecting a settlementent, because they are stronger than you they will chase you a lot through the narrow snaking roads of the forest, then you can use the best paths to mover over the terrain back to the settlement and raze it before the enemy comes back.

My only complaints so far are that minotaurs get shredded by auto-resolve, as always, and attrition caused by chaos corruption is super weak, only kills like one soldier per regiment and it's completely negated by replenishment.

AI cheats at attrition. It takes 30% less attrition damage on easy and on Very Hard it's something like 80% attrition resistance. There was a workshop mod to set that attrition resistance to 30% at all difficulties since the AI is pretty :downs: about needlessly marching through attrition zones and needs a little bit of a cheat in that regard.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead
Spamming the heck out of ungor archers isn't the world's worst idea to start (because ungor spearmen are garbage).

Bonus: being beastmen, they have an easy time zipping around to the enemy flank.

Knitting Beetles
Feb 4, 2006

Fallen Rib


Anyone have had this before? Archeon shows up but the advisor box has no button to press to have him gently caress off. It's completely stuck, turning off mods doesn't work, reloading from older saves gives the same thing every time.

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe
I get that every one in a while. It always goes away on the next turn for me.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Have you tried ending the turn? Fixed something like it for me.

Knitting Beetles
Feb 4, 2006

Fallen Rib
Well that's the thing, I can't. It says I have to accept the advise first.

blindwoozie
Mar 1, 2008

Some things I noticed regarding customizing Heroes and Lords:

- Most melee oriented Heroes and some Lords can buy health potions for around 60 gold. There are two health potions availabile, so for about 120g you can heal your Hero/Lord back to full from the brink of death twice.

- Dwarf Lords have no access to potions, but can buy a Fire Breath ring. Cooldown seems way too long to be useful, doesn't do much damage.

- Runesmiths can buy more passive runes, one which reduces missile damage in his vicinity by 20%. The Dwarf star strengthens.

- Exalted Heroes also have no access to potions, and get a lovely Banner (-6 Missile Parry) and Mark of Khorne instead.

- The new Amber Wizards have no access to any items, every other caster Lord/Hero can buy useful scrolls. Maybe a balance choice because he can ride a fabulous Jade Griffin?

Nanomashoes
Aug 18, 2012

So on the mini campaign I've completed all the ultimate objectives except confederate 2 factions. Every single settlement is razed, and all of the beastmen tribes are my allies, and they all love me, but they reject my gifts and all offers of confederation. Can I force them into confederacy or am I just hosed?

Jamwad Hilder
Apr 18, 2007

surfin usa
you can force people to confederate after beating the snot out of them in a war too, so maybe try that

blindwoozie
Mar 1, 2008

Looks like you unlock Boris Todbringer for Custom Battles if you beat the Eye-for-an-Eye Campaign.

Mazz
Dec 12, 2012

Orion, this is Sperglord Actual.
Come on home.
Confederations are almost entirely on the balance of power bar, knock down their armies so you have like a 10:1 military strength ratio, and they'll give in.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

MilitantBlackGuy posted:

Looks like you unlock Boris Todbringer for Custom Battles if you beat the Eye-for-an-Eye Campaign.

Now THATS a loving nice little extra

Kainser
Apr 27, 2010

O'er the sea from the north
there sails a ship
With the people of Hel
at the helm stands Loki
After the wolf
do wild men follow
I mean, isn't he just a reskinned empire lord

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm on my "first cup of coffee" optimism rush still :(

Captain Beans
Aug 5, 2004

Whar be the beans?
Hair Elf
I thought they added a new achievement, that when unlocked gave you the Chaos bird lord in multiplayer. But I don't see it anywhere??

Kainser
Apr 27, 2010

O'er the sea from the north
there sails a ship
With the people of Hel
at the helm stands Loki
After the wolf
do wild men follow
You get bird guy by beating the grand campaign. Should unlock automatically if you've already done it.

blindwoozie
Mar 1, 2008

Home to Emperor Gerhold von Scheinfelt, Patriarch Kosmo von Kramer and Jurgen Konstanz, Wearer of Chains.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

quote:

Sarthorael the Everwatcher in Custom and Multiplayer

Want to play as Sarthorael the Everwatcher, Lord of Change and Greater Daemon of Tzeentch? Now you can, once you’ve unlocked an achievement in the Grand Campaign that allows Sarthorael to become a named Lord, playable in custom and multiplayer battles.

A Lord of Change is hideously unpredictable and manipulative. Behind its gaze lies a curious and wreckful mind, deeply intelligent, yet as uncaring of consequence as it is fascinated by it. The Lord of Change is like a child playing upon some gigantic anthill, poking with a stick at its inhabitants and laughing at the hopeless antics of their defence.

Nothing pleases him more than to see the world broken and made anew, to redirect the course of a life or even history itself, spilling hope upon the ground while raising the ambition of others up to an unexpected pinnacle of power.

gently caress yes!

Anybody know what achievement I need to do?

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Gay Horney
Feb 10, 2013

by Reene
Look literally two posts above you you loving waste of skin
gently caress you're the worst

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