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Mel Mudkiper posted:He's probably sincere in his bad ideas but also knows he cannot stand on them by their own merits so he is deliberately saying things as obnoxiously as possible so he can brag about "owning the hivemind" this is literally the case, he was hated and laughed out of pretty much every other forum in the last six months so now he's tripled down on being horrible to make it all look deliberate
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Don't forget that Libertarians are willing to sabotage the value of the dollar because "Gold will be worth everything any day now!". They don't actually give a gently caress about competition even in the truest sense.
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You realize that for profit prisons made incentives in order to increase profitability.
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Cardboard Box A posted:https://twitter.com/EWErickson/status/758509341788045313 
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Mel Mudkiper posted:It's why everytime one of these types show up its important to challenge them to propose specific policy instead of going "drones bad" or "weed good" I'm still going to bang on about "drones bad", though, because it is actually awful policy that hurts too many innocents and is very dubious vis-a-vis actually making us safer.  That last one is a thing of beauty and I'm sad I was slow with my own riposte
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SpaceDrake posted:I'm still going to bang on about "drones bad", though, because it is actually awful policy that hurts too many innocents and is very dubious vis-a-vis actually making us safer. What should be done instead? Drones are a serious moral quagmire but we need to have productive alternatives beyond just wishing we didn't use drones.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:What should be done instead? Maybe stop being a bunch of militant fuckheads using robots to drop bombs on countries thousands of miles away for no particularly good reason
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Maybe stop being a bunch of militant fuckheads using robots to drop bombs on countries thousands of miles away for no particularly good reason Ok, what do you propose should be the boundaries of acceptable use of military drones? Specifically. What points should use of ground forces replace the use of drone forces? If drones are shown to be statistically less likely to cause civilian harm than an equivalent use of ground forces, should they still be refused on moral principle?
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Jul 28, 2016 16:50
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Yvonmukluk posted:Another response to that Lowry guy's tweet: it was never 'yours' alone. It belongs to all Americans. Jesus I'm British and I can see that. I wonder how many people think Reagan came up with the shining city on a hill quote, and not colonists who lived here centuries earlier.
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Trump campaign begs its supporters not to watch Hillary's speech tonightquote:President Obama's prime time speech lifted the Democratic convention to its third straight night of ratings wins over the Republican convention last week -- and now the Trump campaign is exhorting supporters not to watch the Democrats' final night.
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Jul 28, 2016 16:56
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Ok, what do you propose should be the boundaries of acceptable use of military drones? Specifically. It's not the use of drones in and of itself so much as it is how they are being used. But I said it: stop. Stop using them. Stop bombing places. Stop interfering in other governments. The height of arrogance is that the Democrats are crying foul that the Russians would dare interfere in our elections when we have literal written proof that the administration was working to overthrow a foreign government, as indirectly as possible.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:But I said it: stop. Stop using them. Stop bombing places. Stop interfering in other governments. How does the United States quickly extricate itself from military obligations to allies, plus the moral obligation to prop up regions previous administrations de-stablized? Are you suggesting the moral answer to the Middle East is to say "Yeah, our previous president hosed you guys over but you're on your own now byyyyyeeee"
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Jul 28, 2016 16:59
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The US refusal to take any action regarding the genocide in Rwanda was the most moral decision possible, just followed by the French reluctance to engage with the RPF forces that overthrew the legitimate genocidal government.
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Jul 28, 2016 17:03
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Mel Mudkiper posted:How does the United States quickly extricate itself from military obligations to allies, plus the moral obligation to prop up regions previous administrations de-stablized? He's going to make up words that sound like he isn't, but he actually is. He is programmed to think opposite of logic and rationale. Like, he is for real trying to shift blame away from someone who has pretty much incited cyber-espionage on his own country.
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Lustful Man Hugs posted:I wonder how many people think Reagan came up with the shining city on a hill quote, and not colonists who lived here centuries earlier. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_upon_a_Hill
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Mel Mudkiper posted:How does the United States quickly extricate itself from military obligations to allies, plus the moral obligation to prop up regions previous administrations de-stablized? who exactly what alliance are we honoring by overthrowing the Libyan government?
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8-Bit Scholar posted:who exactly The Middle East is larger than Libya
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Lord Binky posted:Young Hillary was definitely dreamy  edit: Caption says 1969, which makes her 22 so you don't have to worry about the FBI raiding the chat room. withak fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Jul 28, 2016 |
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Jul 28, 2016 17:30
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Mel Mudkiper posted:The Middle East is larger than Libya you are not this dense, are you? You really got nothing? Just admit you are a warhawk and I'll be happy to leave this be, but otherwise you're just not making a lick of sense now.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:you are not this dense, are you? You really got nothing? Just admit you are a warhawk and I'll be happy to leave this be, but otherwise you're just not making a lick of sense now. Should the US have offered support to the Haitian War of Independence?
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I guess the question is at what point do we stop doubling/tripling/quadrupling down on interventionist ME policy that actively makes the world a worse place.
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Maaaaaybe a little too young there, man.
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Um. Pretty sure she's younger than 18 there...
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Dexo posted:Um. Pretty sure she's younger than 18 there... IDK, the caption said it was in college. edit: Caption says 1969, which makes her 22 so you don't have to worry about the FBI raiding the chat room. withak fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Jul 28, 2016 |
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go3 posted:I guess the question is at what point do we stop doubling/tripling/quadrupling down on interventionist ME policy that actively makes the world a worse place. Well obviously. I mean, we need to put a hard limit on expansion of military activity, and Libya was an extreme and inexcusable mistake, but "pull out and become isolationist" is not a practical strategy. We cannot de-stabilize a region and then pull out and call it ethical. Quite frankly, we morally owe Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya significant financial and political support because the vast majority of their problems are our fault. I do not think leaving them to their own devices is the moral solution. We need to be available and willing to be a stabilizing force at the behest of the government there, and equally willing to get the gently caress out when they tell us to get the gently caress out.
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All this appreciation for young Hillary forgets about the part where she tells you about her love of Henry Kissinger. It's interesting that the Democrats wanted what Bloomberg had to offer (a rich guy with a business putting his name on everything, talking about what Trump's reputation among other businesspeople) that they were willing to pay the price of letting him bitch on stage about how Democrats won't get behind his school privatization.
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Hooooooooly poo poo that is some grade-A desperation. This general is going to be loving incredible 
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Craptacular! posted:All this appreciation for young Hillary forgets about the part where she tells you about her love of Henry Kissinger. If that's all he loving gets and every other speaker is the opposite that's fine. Economic conservatives are timid and need to be coddled constantly. Trump and his campaign are a joke and it's embarrassing as a country he is doing as well as he is.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Well obviously. I mean, we need to put a hard limit on expansion of military activity, and Libya was an extreme and inexcusable mistake, but "pull out and become isolationist" is not a practical strategy. We cannot de-stabilize a region and then pull out and call it ethical. Quite frankly, we morally owe Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya significant financial and political support because the vast majority of their problems are our fault. I do not think leaving them to their own devices is the moral solution. We need to be available and willing to be a stabilizing force at the behest of the government there, and equally willing to get the gently caress out when they tell us to get the gently caress out. also isolationism does not have a good track record of pretty much anything ever
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lmao that's just sad Please, Give Us Time To Pull Obama's Shoe Out Of Our Asses, Holy poo poo Where Did That Come From
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Oxxidation posted:seems counterproductive, since Hillary herself is going to be the most uncertain performance of the night Trump just can't stand someone else being the center of attention. He'd rather advocate national security crimes than be ignored.
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Hillary is gonna be swapped out at the last second with Kate McKinnon Hillary
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sean10mm posted:Trump just can't stand someone else being the center of attention. He'd rather advocate national security crimes than be ignored. That's almost certainly why he did it. Whenever the spotlight is off him, he'll do something insane or desperate to try to get it back, harmful or no.
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ImpAtom posted:Yeah, I'm sure Clinton will practice the hell out of her speech but she just isn't good at speeches. She's going to seem a lot worse after last night's brutal lineup. well the best possible speech she could make has already been made so anything else will seem disappointing by comparison
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Craptacular! posted:All this appreciation for young Hillary forgets about the part where she tells you about her love of Henry Kissinger. I mean sure, let him bitch all he wants. The only person there super on board was probably Cory Booker. Tim is a huge public school advocate, Hillary has personally gone after private schools for chatting. Bloomberg is entitled to his opinion.
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Radish posted:If that's all he loving gets and every other speaker is the opposite that's fine. Economic conservatives are timid and need to be coddled constantly. They need to be mocked, ignored and their money thrown on the ground. It's a disproven ideology and the sooner we stop pretending it has even the slightest value, the better.
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Oxxidation posted:seems counterproductive, since Hillary herself is going to be the most uncertain performance of the night She needs one of these:  I'm sure it'll be a solid speech.
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Hillary won't have the charisma that Obama had (and I think that's probably a huge reason why she lost to him), and orating isn't her strong point. What she is good at, is debating, because she knows her poo poo. It's going to be a sight to behold when she debates Trump, and he tries to ad-lib a bunch of "lying crooked Hillary" stuff whereas she actually explains Middle Eastern policy.
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