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Sharzak posted:Look literally two posts above you you loving waste of skin He posted while I was editing my post and finding the quote. loving sorry dude.
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Sharzak posted:Look literally two posts above you you loving waste of skin Who shat in your cereal?
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Jul 28, 2016 18:04
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Jul 28, 2016 18:05
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So I never really played Chaos, but as Beastmen it seems like I'll never ever get a second stack properly up and running.  Not that I'm not having a jolly old time rolling around the Not-Mediterranean, but eventually I'm going to need a doublestack (not counting brayherds, who either slow down my blitzkrieg or keep me from getting the cash from a sack  ), and I just don't see how I'm going to fund it.
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Jul 28, 2016 18:08
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Pvt Dancer posted:
For me, this was a game error caused by having too many allies that Chaos auto wardecs on spawn. You probably have Kislev and one of the northern Empire provinces allied. Try breaking your treaties before you advance the turn.
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Jul 28, 2016 18:07
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GreyjoyBastard posted:So I never really played Chaos, but as Beastmen it seems like I'll never ever get a second stack properly up and running. If it's anything like playing Warriors of Chaos then the key is not to worry about having a deficit each turn. As long as you keep a buffer treasury that means you won't go bankrupt for at least 10-15 turns then you're golden.
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Jul 28, 2016 18:09
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John Charity Spring posted:If it's anything like playing Warriors of Chaos then the key is not to worry about having a deficit each turn. As long as you keep a buffer treasury that means you won't go bankrupt for at least 10-15 turns then you're golden. It feels like I keep sacking cities just fast enough to not run empty.
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Jul 28, 2016 18:10
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GreyjoyBastard posted:It feels like I keep sacking cities just fast enough to not run empty. Loot a big highly-developed city and you can get anything up to like 40,000 at once. That could give you the buffer you need to set up a second stack.
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Jul 28, 2016 18:12
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GreyjoyBastard posted:So I never really played Chaos, but as Beastmen it seems like I'll never ever get a second stack properly up and running. Upgrade your encampment always when you can, and take all the population growth skills you can. Growth is everything for horde. Raid towns to get cash first, then maybe come back next turn and raze them if you really want to deny the enemy. You need the raiding resources. You wanna expand a lot in order to raid everybody and also because you're loving chaos, but you don't want to just tear rear end across the map and pick more fights than you can handle. Sometimes you gotta kinda fart around in the same area for awhile just kinda bashing on some minor factions in order to build up the supplies to raise a proper army or two. Chaos is actually kinda a slow buildup, slower than you'd think. But if you play it right it just keeps building momentum up and up, like a rolling snowball.
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Zaphod42 posted:Upgrade your encampment always when you can, and take all the population growth skills you can. Growth is everything for horde. He's talking about Beastmen though. They can't conquer a settlement without razing it to the ground.
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Jul 28, 2016 18:20
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Gonna play a campign as Chaos, never done a hoard before. What are the pro tips I should know?
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I find Growth to be a bit tricky with Beastmen, if only because you don't get Tribes of Chaos right off the bat, though there is a better version deeper in their campaign tree, and lot of the really useful events tank your growth temporarily. Definitely slower than Chaos overall. OTOH I'm having way less money problems, since your units are cheap and you get that -15% upkeep skill right off the bat. Mind you, Beastmen don't get a bunch of stacking +loot/sack money researches and followers like Chaos does either, so their income is also lower. You get raiding boosts, but raiding sucks, so.
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Jul 28, 2016 18:27
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Sharzak posted:Look literally two posts above you you loving waste of skin Calm down, chomp
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Jul 28, 2016 18:29
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We're co-oping VC and Dwarves so we can conquer literally everything on the map but I'm finding I never want to send troops to help him. Such is life.
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Jul 28, 2016 18:37
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DeathSandwich posted:AI cheats at attrition. It takes 30% less attrition damage on easy and on Very Hard it's something like 80% attrition resistance. There was a workshop mod to set that attrition resistance to 30% at all difficulties since the AI is pretty Holy poo poo, I didn't realize it was that extreme. I thought that after Empire, CA was over the "kneecap mechanics that only apply to the player but we'll pretend otherwise teehee" approach. Does something like that apply to the Assault Army ability too? I feel like even when I've maxed out the skill, a "success" kills like, 10/1400 guys from the stack.
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Jul 28, 2016 18:39
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about needlessly marching through attrition zones and needs a little bit of a cheat in that regard.
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Captain Beans posted:Gonna play a campign as Chaos, never done a hoard before. What are the pro tips I should know? Get the horde growth skill in the blue branch for all your lords ASAP, then move up to lightning strike when you can. Don't spend too much time dicking around with norsca, just enough to get Siegvald if you don't have him. Sack everything. Merge and recruit new units instead of healing once you reach empire territory.
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Jul 28, 2016 18:44
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MilitantBlackGuy posted:Looks like you unlock Boris Todbringer for Custom Battles if you beat the Eye-for-an-Eye Campaign. Bah, gotta beat it now. On further examination, when playing as Empire Kharzak made a beeline for Reikland while the other tribes decided to gently caress up Ostland and Ostermark. If that's potentially the new normal, the southern nations once again get to twiddle their thumbs while the Empire burns. No wonder the world exploded.
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Jul 28, 2016 18:45
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On the plus side, whoever said shield minotaurs are the best is absolutely right. 
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Jul 28, 2016 18:47
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Aurubin posted:Bah, gotta beat it now. On further examination, when playing as Empire Kharzak made a beeline for Reikland while the other tribes decided to gently caress up Ostland and Ostermark. If that's potentially the new normal, the southern nations once again get to twiddle their thumbs while the Empire burns. No wonder the world exploded. We haven't even seen the Skaven yet. In the real endtimes, all the clans unite and pour out of every Empire cities sewers. I have a feeling by the end of this games lifecycle, the Empire campaign is going to be the "Impossible" rated start.
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Jul 28, 2016 18:48
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Who the poo poo thought it was a good idea to let an 833 point unit summon a 1600 point unit is what I want to know. Holy hell.
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Jul 28, 2016 18:49
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Beastmen start with two hordes jesus christ is there anything they don't do better than Chaos?
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Nanomashoes posted:Beastmen start with two hordes jesus christ is there anything they don't do better than Chaos? I'm bracing myself for the possible reveal that they don't need to get involved with the shitvikings little politics, at which point there will be no need to ever play chaos. Seriously, why would anyone design the game so that chaos somehow get allied with instead of subjugate the vermin they squash?
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Jul 28, 2016 18:58
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Nanomashoes posted:Beastmen start with two hordes jesus christ is there anything they don't do better than Chaos? They grow a bit slower and their leadership suffers in prolonged battles, but on the campaign layer they feel better to me in almost every way. Did you guys invest in the unit upkeep cost reduction skill on Kahzrak's blue tree? I feel like I really need to trim some fat if I'm ever going to be able to afford a second horde. That said I've only just wiped Carroburg so I'm just getting started.
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Jul 28, 2016 19:02
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Yukitsu posted:Who the poo poo thought it was a good idea to let an 833 point unit summon a 1600 point unit is what I want to know. Holy hell. Will killing the 833 point unit also poof the 1600 point one?
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Jul 28, 2016 19:08
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The bonus to casualty replenishment is far and away the best buff for Beastmen to the point where I don't even have to think about it.
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Jul 28, 2016 19:09
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Nanomashoes posted:Beastmen start with two hordes jesus christ is there anything they don't do better than Chaos? To my earlier post, I failed to mention that Kharzak got hosed up by Pavarron on the way to Helmgart, and had three units when he tried to beast-path past Karl Franz. So at least the consolation prize is that the AI doesn't play them very conservatively.
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Ilustforponydeath posted:I'm bracing myself for the possible reveal that they don't need to get involved with the shitvikings little politics, at which point there will be no need to ever play chaos. When Chaos invades beastmen are neutral to the warriors of chaos and the shitvikings. You can tell them to gently caress right off and declare war on them if you so choose.
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Jul 28, 2016 19:16
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Yukitsu posted:Who the poo poo thought it was a good idea to let an 833 point unit summon a 1600 point unit is what I want to know. Holy hell. Malagor has so many places to put points in campaign.  Blue tree, the mandatory 3-point army wstrength buff, the just-about-mandatory Malagor -leadership debuff, and plodding up the spell tree, most of which is mediocre, to unlock Holy poo poo Free Cygor gently caress You. Personally I'm going spells last but I may regret not being able to poo poo out a free cygor (or two?) every battle. Malagor without it is... not total garbage aside from passives, his artillery strike forces the enemy to engage. Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Jul 28, 2016 |
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Nanomashoes posted:Beastmen start with two hordes jesus christ is there anything they don't do better than Chaos? They have a number of inbattle issues that Chaos doesn't have to deal with. Namely the fact they generally moralebreak most t1/most t2 units very quickly, but later game stuff won't break as easily. If things don't moralebreak, the Beastmen lack the stats to win a 1v1 fight. I just had a herd of Axemen get beaten by a group of Crossbowmen in melee for example, because the Crossbowmen were getting leadership buffed. There are also lots of small issues built around this if you aren't careful. Lots of t1 units will moralebreak quickly to the herd rushing ( swordsmen, spearmen, etc ), but they'll also almost always be able to then escape with more then half their unit. If they then have a large enough force/enough t2 units, you can easily get into a situation where your army is getting stuck in a bad fight, and suddenly the enemy army gets more then half of it's army back through those almost full t1 units getting their morale back/recovering. Beastmen have a lot of cool pros. They aren't straight better or worse then Chaos though.
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The mini campaign seems a bit shorter than advertised. I played it for about four hours now, and it seems like I'm close to halfway through by now, with only two and a half major factions to go. Though I dunno quite how powerful those will turn out to be, so taking those down might well take a while longer yet. That said, I do like it quite a bit. The smaller scale is a nice change of pace, making each battle relatively more important and giving enemy armies more of a presence. Setting up a new horde is suddenly a huge deal, rather than something you just do as a matter of course right away. There's a nice inbuilt escalation mechanic, too, regularly opening up new fronts and never allowing you to get complacent.
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Jul 28, 2016 19:26
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Malagor has so many places to put points in campaign. So on the summon Cygor spell, is it there until the end of combat? I thought I seen the tooltip during a LP video where I thought I seen it had an 11 second duration on it. I was scratching my head thinking that couldn't be right.
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^ It takes 11 seconds to rip itself out of the ground, but the Cygor lasts the entire battle. rockopete posted:Will killing the 833 point unit also poof the 1600 point one? I don't think it does, I haven't actually lost my wilds mage in combat yet. I'm considering a cheese list which has Malagor and 3 bray shamans, all completely stripped of abilities except the summon Cygor one, camped in a corner until I can cast it 4 times. It's a hard sell though because the hero minotaur is also ridiculous. Yukitsu fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Jul 28, 2016 |
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Jul 28, 2016 19:43
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Game is crashing like crazy again. Has anyone else ever had this problem? I tried to post about it on the CA forums, but the game never made a crash log, and their attachment system would not accept any of the files they asked for.
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So what I've been picking up is that Beastmen in combat are going to play a lot like Ambushy vampire counts insofar as they have cheap kind of crap cannon fodder line infantry and your monsters are the workhorses that win your fights.Your basic ungor/gors are your anvil and the Centaus/minotaurs/chaos spawn are your horned ragehammer that breaks the enemy line. Sound about right? Goddamn work keeping me from playing 
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Jul 28, 2016 20:00
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What are the thoughts on the magic rebalance in the campaign? Is it still necessary to stick to Large size?
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Jul 28, 2016 20:02
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Pvt Dancer posted:Well that's the thing, I can't. It says I have to accept the advise first. I had this happen once. IIRC I needed to load the autosave before this broken turn, end the turn, and just before the game finishes scrolling through all of the other factions I had to mash the end turn button on my keyboard. Do it quick enough and you can move on before all this poo poo happens.
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Oh man have I made a mess of the Bretonnian lands. I ripped my way through the place razing everything and allowing the Mousillon vampires (who happened to have the ruins settler trait thingy) to colonise everything behind me. The Vamps are now the strongest race in the game, with Bretonnian down to their last two cities in the north. Since I also kept raiding the dwarfs for money a couple of tribes of Orcs have been free to pop up and are also running around wild killing whoever the gently caress they see. The whole place is a seething cesspool of chaos corruption, greenskin arseholes and bloodthirsty monsters (not to mention my murder cows); I loving love it. I'm hoping I can get the Vamps/Orc to follow me out into Empire lands and meet the Chaos invasion in the middle for a giant clusterfuck. Edit:  KM Scorchio fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Jul 28, 2016 |
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Jul 28, 2016 20:15
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As someone that's unknowing of Warhammer lore and tabletop game, three new faction seems really interesting after giving it a cursory look (I love horde gameplay). Hoping to get some good mileage out of them once I can get some money for that dlc. Speaking of which, as someone that really does not care about games having billions of DLC (paradox I'm looking at you), anyone a bit annoyed at what they are categorizing as a "Freeloadable content"? I find myself feeling a bit patronized when a company adds content for free of their own prerogative and then labels it as a concept for which the consumer should feel grateful toward them. It just reeks of marketing buzz wording.
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Much like game title numbers, we should do away with patch numbers, and call everything by a name so that customers feel emotionally invested in the patching process. Everything that is not number tweaking will be labeled as a FreeLC. there i did it, popular opinion is up 1000% plz give me 70k a year 
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Found someone that listed out a number of the stat changes up or down. Most of them are tiny adjustments by about +/- 2 points.
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