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StoneOfShame posted:Lol did they call him a homophobe over him saying gay men shouldn't give blood, the time he said children raised by a same sex couple are more likely to be abused or the time ge was canvassing came to a lesbian couples and started attacking their 'degenerate' lifestyle on their doorstep? The second one. He claims he was misquoted. e: 360: how many millions of pounds that the Leave campaign promised to spend on the NHS every week, plus a lottery jackpot.
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Angepain posted:Lunch Isolation is probably the least intimidating name for a thing ever Well if you have to mistreat children for profit decorum demands at least a trite euphemism for your poverty shame bin.
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StoneOfShame posted:Lol did they call him a homophobe over him saying gay men shouldn't give blood, the time he said children raised by a same sex couple are more likely to be abused or the time ge was canvassing came to a lesbian couples and started attacking their 'degenerate' lifestyle on their doorstep? Apparently it was the child abuse bit.
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I'm guessing he's emboldened by the RTE settlement last year when the Iona institute got an apology and 85 grand for being called homophobes just because they said that gay people were disgusting and should be killed.
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TinTower posted:The second one. He claims he was misquoted. The actual quote he said was, "All evidence throughout the world says the best way to raise children is in a loving, stable, married relationship; the facts show that, the facts show that certainly you don’t bring a child up in a homosexual relationship. That a child is far more likely to be abused or neglected (uproar among audience) I say again, I say again, a child is far more likely to be abused or neglected in a non stable marriage situation, gay or straight." That's from a transcript he admits was accurate. The misquote was, "You don't bring a child up in a homosexual relationship. That the child is far more likely to be abused and neglected." I somehow dont see one being better than the other really and I dont think he's going to win.
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Puntification posted:Well if you have to mistreat children for profit decorum demands at least a trite euphemism for your poverty shame bin. Though as this is a school, and kids are terrible, you can be sure that whatever euphemism the adults come up with will quickly be replaced by some utterly horrible name invented by the pupils. I hope that every time they say Lunch Isolation they at least have the decency to pronounce it in an overdramatic voice to fit the boldface.
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Tesseraction posted:They're probably upset that May took over instead of BOZZA LEJJJJURND. I honestly think it's more "they didn't expect to actually win and are now making GBS threads themselves at the uncertainty of it all just like everyone else, but they can't betray that they regret their decision"
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coffeetable posted:are free school meals not a thing at academies The sandwich and fruit is free. As is the special room for povvo kids. They should be grateful imo
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Jul 29, 2016 15:01
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Puntification posted:Well if you have to mistreat children for profit decorum demands at least a trite euphemism for your poverty shame bin. A friend of mine who teaches was proud of the new 'zero tolerance' behaviour program at their school, I pointed out that's the term for a terrible system used in the US where all infractions are treated as seriously no matter what the intent, and it's normally poor or minority students who get the worst end of it. They said that of course it wouldn't be like that and they'd be reasonable and listen to what the child said. Which is not anything close to zero tolerance, so I said they probably shouldn't call it that. Apparently that sort of thing was common at area schools a few years back. Tesseraction posted:Apparently it was the child abuse bit.
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Tesseraction posted:Apparently it was the child abuse bit. There's a tremendous sensitivity over this among gay guys I know. I'm not quite sure why but it's really strongly felt because I've seen otherwise reasonable people go into frothing rage over some random dude in a bar making off-colour jokes about ancient Greeks. To better informed goons, is this some huge slander like the blood libel for Jewish people?
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If you mean "was 'gay men are all pedophiles' and 'gays can't reproduce, so they have to recruit [from your children]' used as an excuse to arrest, harass, beat, and lynch gay men for decades, both before and after decriminalization?" then yeah, pretty much.
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Hmm is being falsely accused of paedophilia because of the gender you prefer potentially offensive in some way, what a brainteaser
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Beefeater1980 posted:There's a tremendous sensitivity over this among gay guys I know. I'm not quite sure why but it's really strongly felt because I've seen otherwise reasonable people go into frothing rage over some random dude in a bar making off-colour jokes about ancient Greeks. To better informed goons, is this some huge slander like the blood libel for Jewish people? Oh I dunno. Why would we, a minority hosed over by almost everyone ever and are regularly conflated with paedophiles be upset by told they're fundamentally unfit parents and child abusers?
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The headteacher who implemented this spoke at Tory Party Conference and is a favourite of Michael Gove.
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I was reading the Thomas Mann wikipedia page the other day and in that it says he struggled with homosexuality, before listing his diary entries about being attracted to underage boys including his own sons. I couldn't figure out if it was written by someone trying to defend his paedophilia, or someone trying to link homosexuality to pedastry.
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sebzilla posted:The sandwich and fruit is free. As is the special room for povvo kids. They should be grateful imo What do you reckon they call it, "the cooler" or "the chokey"?
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Man those irish, so thin skinned to get upset about people saying they're just a bunch of brainless drunken violent idiots. Don't get me started on the blacks who get mysteriously quiet when I jokingly ask them how long they've been out of prison. So sensitive about things for some reason.
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RobotNinjaHornets posted:I haven't jumped ship to Labour from the Greens yet, since god the PLP are awful, and they've got their own leader/deputy leader/some other positions that noone cares about elections on at the moment. I feel like I should probably vote, but don't know anyone other than Caroline Lucas/Jonathan Bartley for leader and Amelia Womack for deputy. Does anyone who's more in the loop know if there's anyone else worth voting for? David Malone is an old friend of my Dad, they used to work filming documentaries together. He said he was going to be running for leader but I never thought he'd actually go through with it. He tried to convince me to join the Greens shortly before the last GE and we spent an entire evening discussing their opposition to GMOs. Can't say whether he'd be a good leader, but he does seem to be committed to leftist ideals and science. Went along to the John McDonnell "New Economics" talk in Oxford yesterday.  It was very good. Talk of massively increasing new builds, rent caps, increasing trade union membership, reducing the impermanence of work. I've never been this enthused with a party's values before, I'm not sure how I'd cope if Owen "One Hour Contracts" Smith won.
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NLJP posted:Man those irish, so thin skinned to get upset about people saying they're just a bunch of brainless drunken violent idiots. 
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OvineYeast posted:OJ has an interview with Jeremy Corbyn: Also his answer on whether he has a strategy to win back Scotland was 'Scottish Labour are working really hard'. gently caress. e: it seems increasingly obvious that his team is keeping him in some kind of incredibly isolated bubble, keeping the bad news away and feeding him stuff like the LSE survey to justify his raciltrant attitude to the media and polling. There were reports of them telling reporters and MPs that they couldn't see him because he's 70 years old and is 'fragile'. This poo poo is hosed.
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El Grillo posted:So this was pretty awful, and Jones looks visibly frustrated with the kind of delusions JC is coming back with. The social media stuff... he seems to genuinely believe that he can reach out to the wider electorate solely through social media posts and local radio stations. And when asked about the godawful polling, his response is 'the media is against me' and the PLP are the other culprits. Even Clive Lewis has mentioned a number of times now that the leadership has made mistakes. He never said he planned to work solely through social and/or local media. But it is a large part of the strategy. The traditional media "are" against him, and the ridiculous infighting from the PLP "has" demonstrably harmed the polling. Corbyn is not immune to criticism but he's right on all of that.
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El Grillo posted:e: it seems increasingly obvious that his team is keeping him in some kind of incredibly isolated bubble, keeping the bad news away and feeding him stuff like the LSE survey to justify his raciltrant attitude to the media and polling. There were reports of them telling reporters and MPs that they couldn't see him because he's 70 years old and is 'fragile'. This poo poo is hosed. This was Tom Watson spreading poo poo fyi (according to Richard Seymour anyway) As for the rest of it, he seems perfectly aware that there's a mountain to climb, that more members doesn't mean more activists, that you can't just reach out using social media, etc. etc. It's obvious he's thinking about the challenge and I think you're mistaking optimism for delusion. OvineYeast fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Jul 29, 2016 |
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sebzilla posted:He never said he planned to work solely through social and/or local media. But it is a large part of the strategy. The traditional media "are" against him, and the ridiculous infighting from the PLP "has" demonstrably harmed the polling. Owen Smith has 36k twitter followers and Corbyn has 595k. Smith also has no facebook page, Corbyn has one and it has hundreds of thousands of followers as well. Social media and local radio and going to events in different parts of the country is all very important. gently caress the mainstream media. Jones is part of that to an extent so yeah he might bristle when he realises his chosen profession can be overlooked a bit because they've been total cunts to Corbyn and are likely to remain so because they are ideologically opposed to anything vaguely left of centre let alone socialist.
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Bedshaped posted:I'm watching The Bourne Ultimatum again. The scene where the shadow US agency assassinate a Guardian writer in Waterloo station; truly May's UK. one wasn't enough
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JFairfax posted:Owen Smith has 36k twitter followers and Corbyn has 595k. Owen Smith has a Facebook page. It has 7679 likes. Jeremy Corbyn has 775,303. It doesn't mean that much in the grand scheme of things, but I think it's pretty indicative of how the leadership election will go. Most of the people who are actually members of the party are engaged enough with politics to tie themselves to the mast of their favoured candidate on social media.
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sebzilla posted:He never said he planned to work solely through social and/or local media. But it is a large part of the strategy. The traditional media "are" against him, and the ridiculous infighting from the PLP "has" demonstrably harmed the polling. Owen pursues him on this point in the interview for a full 5 minutes and he continually evades. You literally cannot watch this segment and tell me JC is not fixated on this vain hope that social media is a magic answer to the huge problems he has with media presentation and strategy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGXVHHxxnZQ&t=1528s
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El Grillo posted:And when asked about the godawful polling, his response is 'the media is against me' and the PLP are the other culprits. Even Clive Lewis has mentioned a number of times now that the leadership has made mistakes. Ok, but what mistakes are the general public basing their opinions on? We're not talking about people who work with him who have an opinion on how he's doing things, we're not even talking about people within his party who take notice of the internal politics. We're talking about people who, in general, get their picture of Corbyn and his leadership from media reports, if even that. And those reports have been heavily focused on Jeremy Corbyn's troubles and how all his MPs want to get rid of him. They've been leaking and plotting staged coups and generally using the media to undermine him publicly - that's the whole point, to hurt him and his public image and to make his position untenable Someone (an MP who wasn't a Corbyn fan) said a long time ago that there's a problem here, that by blatantly attacking Corbyn instead of allowing him to fail on his own, his incompetence ends up masked by the overt sabotage. He ends up the victim of a campaign to ruin him, instead of showing himself to be incapable. And for all his flaws, that's pretty much what's happening here - there's such a big effort to undermine him and paint him as a danger to the party, from all sides really, but it's backfiring in terms of his core support in the party. People who are aware can see exactly what's happening. People who aren't aware, however, get the picture painted by the news, which is far from nuanced and objective And besides, what leader would command a lot of public confidence if their MPs were trying to publicly overthrow them for months?
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Baron Corbyn posted:Owen Smith has a Facebook page. It has 7679 likes. Jeremy Corbyn has 775,303. It doesn't mean that much in the grand scheme of things, but I think it's pretty indicative of how the leadership election will go. Most of the people who are actually members of the party are engaged enough with politics to tie themselves to the mast of their favoured candidate on social media. oh wow I was actively searching for his page and didn't manage to find it.
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El Grillo posted:So this was pretty awful, and Jones looks visibly frustrated with the kind of delusions JC is coming back with. The social media stuff... he seems to genuinely believe that he can reach out to the wider electorate solely through social media posts and local radio stations. And when asked about the godawful polling, his response is 'the media is against me' and the PLP are the other culprits. quote:Even Clive Lewis has mentioned a number of times now that the leadership has made mistakes.
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El Grillo posted:Of course they're against him. That's why he needed to (a) have a seriously clear core message, to at least attempt to prevent huge distortions and (b) actually court the media. They started off pretty well with the latter - Nick Robinson said some nice things about his interview approach, and there were good reports of JC and McDonnell's performance at the Labour Christmas correspondents' do. But after more fuckups being reported, and more leaks by the PLP, they appear to have given up. Jeremy's increasingly appeared grumpy and affronted in interviews, and the number appears to have diminished rapidly (many programs are just saying they kept being turned down so much they don't bother asking anymore). the media are wilfully distorting his position, there's been an academic study which proves this. he cannot make them report his views accurately because they simply do not want to.
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Baron Corbyn posted:Owen Smith has a Facebook page. It has 7679 likes. Jeremy Corbyn has 775,303. It doesn't mean that much in the grand scheme of things, but I think it's pretty indicative of how the leadership election will go. Most of the people who are actually members of the party are engaged enough with politics to tie themselves to the mast of their favoured candidate on social media. Also the fact that Corbyn is leader of the opposition so his profile is going to be worth following for people who aren't fans of his necessarily but who want to know
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baka kaba posted:Ok, but what mistakes are the general public basing their opinions on? We're not talking about people who work with him who have an opinion on how he's doing things, we're not even talking about people within his party who take notice of the internal politics. We're talking about people who, in general, get their picture of Corbyn and his leadership from media reports, if even that. And those reports have been heavily focused on Jeremy Corbyn's troubles and how all his MPs want to get rid of him. They've been leaking and plotting staged coups and generally using the media to undermine him publicly - that's the whole point, to hurt him and his public image and to make his position untenable quote:Someone (an MP who wasn't a Corbyn fan) said a long time ago that there's a problem here, that by blatantly attacking Corbyn instead of allowing him to fail on his own, his incompetence ends up masked by the overt sabotage. He ends up the victim of a campaign to ruin him, instead of showing himself to be incapable. And for all his flaws, that's pretty much what's happening here - there's such a big effort to undermine him and paint him as a danger to the party, from all sides really, but it's backfiring in terms of his core support in the party. People who are aware can see exactly what's happening. People who aren't aware, however, get the picture painted by the news, which is far from nuanced and objective Of course some of the PLP have been utter shits. As Jeremy says in the interview, it's a minority who've really been stirring up trouble, at least up until the insanity of the 'coup'. What's perhaps most indicative are the died-in-the-wool socialists who were on his Shadow Cabinet and still resigned because of his incompetence and unelectability. Jones asks him about them here and his only response (as has been generally his only response to legitimate criticisms so far) is that he's 'disappointed'.
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OvineYeast posted:This was Tom Watson spreading poo poo fyi (according to Richard Seymour anyway) Oops, sorry, got this wrong - that was the thing about him secretly wanting to resign but being stopped by McDonnell.
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Helen Highwater posted:Also the fact that Corbyn is leader of the opposition so his profile is going to be worth following for people who aren't fans of his necessarily but who want to know Theresa May's facebook page has 230,000 likes, Cameron 1.2m
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JFairfax posted:oh wow I was actively searching for his page and didn't manage to find it. That's a new account, his page used to be named 'Owen Smith Labour' up until a week or so ago. Looks like they've deactivated the old one. Crashbee fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Jul 29, 2016 |
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NLJP posted:If they were truly convinced he is incompetent, they would hand him enough rope to hang himself. Gato posted:What kind of media strategy do you think he should adopt? There is literally nothing he can do to make the press favourable to him. Owen Smith seems to think there's some magic combination of sound bites he can deliver that won't result in a double-page spread in the Mail with the headline RED OWEN HATES YOUR COUNTRY, when last year's election should have been proof how that works. JFairfax posted:the media are wilfully distorting his position, there's been an academic study which proves this. El Grillo fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Jul 29, 2016 |
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El Grillo posted:What's perhaps most indicative are the died-in-the-wool socialists who were on his Shadow Cabinet and still resigned because of his incompetence and unelectability. It's really quite difficult to disentangle people who resigned out of frustration and people who were pressured to resign for the (percieved) good of the party. But only left-winger who supported him in previous election who resigned is Louise Haigh I think.
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El Grillo posted:Owen pursues him on this point in the interview for a full 5 minutes and he continually evades. You literally cannot watch this segment and tell me JC is not fixated on this vain hope that social media is a magic answer to the huge problems he has with media presentation and strategy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGXVHHxxnZQ&t=1528s Uh? He literally says that "social media is not the only thing", after pointing out that he's been appearing on Radio 2 when Owen suggests it to him, and then he explains how it's important for reaching out to people who don't really interact with the traditional media, especially going forward where broadcast media is becoming less and less relevant. Then he also talks about how good regional news reporting is and how he's been doing those interviews. Also this is a video for the Guardian? There's nothing evasive there. Jones could have outright said 'yeah the national news is poo poo and puts a narrow focus on soundbites and storylines (which Corbyn mentioned)' and asked him what he intends to do about that specifically because it's still important, but he didn't. And there was a bunch of chat about the non-social media stuff he is doing, presumably not for a laugh
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