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Cardboard Box A posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IOpbj8ajZs Thanks, I think, for exposing me to these.
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It needs to be reiterated: most politicians hate CU too, because it means they're locked in an arms race to raise as much money as they possibly can. Most of them would rather actually do their jobs, but they have to spend enormous chunks of a given week making calls to donors because if they don't, and their opponents do, they'll get steamrolled in the next election
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Keeshhound posted:It needs to be reiterated: most politicians hate CU too, because it means they're locked in an arms race to raise as much money as they possibly can. Doesn't it also make it an awful lot easier to get primaried?
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Jul 29, 2016 17:50
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Night10194 posted:Doesn't it also make it an awful lot easier to get primaried? That seems to be more of a problem on the Right, where there's a lot more corporate money around from a lot of people willing to spend money on ideological purity they believe will pay dividends down the line when they get free money from the government for it. See: the Tea Party.
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FAUXTON posted:They found more carcinogens in vape juice - both pre and post-vape. Do you have a link for this? Ok, be truthful-- who else woke up with 'Fight Song' stuck in their heads?
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Jul 29, 2016 17:57
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Megyn Kelly is a terrible person that SOMETIMES has decent opinions when she herself has a vested interest. I hope she stays on Fox forever and her garbage is contained instead of letting her out to become a Serious Person that dogwhistles racism and shits on the poor.
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Nocturtle posted:It's going to be interesting to see if CU can be overturned, and how it would happen. I really don't think the Democrats can get a constitutional amendment passed in the foreseeable future, as it's not clear when they'll even be able to retake congress (possible Democrat wave in Nov notwithstanding). CU is fine. It's unlikely to be overturned. Like TPP, the case has gotten so politicized that those arguing it tend not to understand what it represents. Campaign electioneering spending is in fact a form of speech, and it becomes problematic at best to structure campaign law to create limits on that speech-it does, in fact, entail censorship of political discourse. The problems of spending by PACs and associated entities aren't because there's a lot of it, but because it is opaque and thus unaccountable. The desired effects are better achieved by severe funding disclosure requirements, which are entirely and explicitly legal under the decision. This is not a Republican position I'm arguing, here- it's the position I was taught by this guy, who represented the Democratic party in the House for an extended period, and is one of the foremost national experts in election law. People closer to these cases or areas of practice understand the distinctions that make CU valid, but also know that saying it's an OK decision isn't going to go over well. Keeshhound posted:It needs to be reiterated: most politicians hate CU too, because it means they're locked in an arms race to raise as much money as they possibly can. That's not CU, that's politics. CU did not change that calculus. The closest relevant caselaw is the line involving Arizona Free Enterprise Club's Freedom Club PAC v. Bennett, which shut down public campaign financing, following the Davis v FEC case, which shut down a narrow area involving the candidate's personal funds. The return of public funding systems, and overturning the cases that shut down public funding equivalency (starting with Davis), would be more appealing, but still difficult to argue or achieve until we have a Dem court. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Jul 29, 2016 |
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Jul 29, 2016 18:00
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Evil Fluffy posted:I hope to God that line is used in commercials and Hilary quotes him by name at Trump during a debate. I don't think you can stuff enough context into a commercial to make a brown man yelling with a heavy accent not-scary to certain people Dexo posted:Even better Oh god drat it I filtered that to just live streams and forgot I did it 
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Jul 29, 2016 18:00
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FAUXTON posted:They found more carcinogens in vape juice - both pre and post-vape. citybeatnik posted:God loving drat it. Apparently those big "vape rigs" capable of higher temperatures are turning the chemicals into formaldehyde. They claim the small disposable ones don't as much, but that seems unlikely, considering the article I read quoted a guy who works for one of the disposable e-cigs companies.
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Jul 29, 2016 18:10
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Discendo Vox posted:That's not CU, that's politics. CU did not change that calculus. The closest relevant caselaw is the line involving Arizona Free Enterprise Club's Freedom Club PAC v. Bennett, which shut down public campaign financing, following the Davis v FEC case, which shut down a narrow area involving the candidate's personal funds. The return of public funding systems, and overturning the cases that shut down public funding equivalency (starting with Davis), would be more appealing, but still difficult to argue or achieve until we have a Dem court. Yeah, I had the ideas mixed up. What I meant is that most politicians are in favor of some kind of campaign finance limits for that reason.
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Gonna laugh when vaping turns out to be as bad as tobacco and those companies get to face the same lawsuits big tobacco did.Night10194 posted:Doesn't it also make it an awful lot easier to get primaried? Yes, because if you don't do the bidding of some local baron they can and likely will spend a couple million (or less) on a primary challenger who will do their bidding.
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TheBigAristotle posted:Apparently those big "vape rigs" capable of higher temperatures are turning the chemicals into formaldehyde. They claim the small disposable ones don't as much, but that seems unlikely, considering the article I read quoted a guy who works for one of the disposable e-cigs companies. Yeah, they'd said it was a function of temperature, and basically it seems like the hardcore modder vapist types (you know the type) are just wrecking their own poo poo because they'll crank the power up on a single-coil device to make more vapor rather than put the money into one with dual coils, which doesn't need such high temps. http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/22/7872505/vaping-high-voltage-releases-carcinogens-e-cig quote:The researchers didn't detect formaldehyde-releasing agents at low voltage levels (3.3V). When vapor was produced at high levels (5.0V), however, they found that the e-cigs actually produce higher levels of formaldehyde-releasing agents than the level of gaseous formaldehyde released by traditional cigarettes. Assuming that these agents carry the same risks as the gaseous formaldehyde produced by regular cigarettes, the lifetime risk of cancer of vaping might be between five and 15 times as high as the risk associated with long-term cigarette use, the researchers conclude. This comes off as some mean-universe comeuppance for certain types of vapists. FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Jul 29, 2016 |
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Jul 29, 2016 18:22
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Evil Fluffy posted:Gonna laugh when vaping turns out to be as bad as tobacco and those companies get to face the same lawsuits big tobacco did. It's definitely as bad as tobacco, from a structural standpoint- it's still an inhalant laced with an addictive substance, only without any regulation and an intentionally included sideline into other drugs. The part that makes it worse is that the people behind it are much more legally sophisticated- they're big tobacco types working with VCs, who have collectively learned the lessons of the lawsuits against big tobacco that happened in the 90s. Vaporizers were designed from the ground up to be as difficult to regulate as possible. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Jul 29, 2016 |
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Spiritus Nox posted:Just watched Reverend Barber's speech. gently caress, man. As a leftist Christian stuck in loving Texas, it feels goddamn amazing to see Christianity being politicized as a force for social good for a change, right there on the national stage. The black church knows what's up. As an atheist, it still feels goddamn amazing to see all the best of Christianity on display. I would totally go to that church because drat.
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FAUXTON posted:Yeah, they'd said it was a function of temperature, and basically it seems like the hardcore modder vapist types (you know the type) are just wrecking their own poo poo because they'll crank the power up on a single-coil device to make more vapor rather than put the money into one with dual coils, which doesn't need such high temps. Ok, I think I found the article? http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/22/7872505/vaping-high-voltage-releases-carcinogens-e-cig I sit at very low voltage and have no interest in those big mod things. I think its weird to want more vapor when I'm just going for my nicotine fix. I think I saw a picture of two people blowing huge vapor at each other on a stage and my reaction was "What the gently caress?" But then, I'm old, so maybe I don't get it.  ^^^^^ argh you edited your post with the link! I guess I'm the only one with Fight Song stuck in their head this morning.
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Discendo Vox posted:It's definitely as bad as tobacco, from a structural standpoint- it's still an inhalant laced with an addictive substance, only without any regulation and an intentionally included sideline into other drugs. The part that makes it worse is that the people behind it are much more legally sophisticated- they're big tobacco types working with VCs, who have collectively learned the lessons of the lawsuits against big tobacco that happened in the 90s. I edited my post while you were making this one, but basically it's not only "as bad," in the experiment the scientists found the high-voltage vape penis putting out more formaldehyde than cigarettes to the tune of a 5-15x elevated cancer risk over long-term use. However, that's assuming the vape formaldehyde is not more dangerous than the kind that comes off tobacco.
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OniPanda posted:As an atheist, it still feels goddamn amazing to see all the best of Christianity on display. I would totally go to that church because drat. His reference to those without faith was nice. Hopefully a good number of religious people will realize that Trump is Too Corinthians
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Jul 29, 2016 18:33
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Svanja posted:
It's been stuck there for like three days now. Haha. I guess it works despite making me physically cringe with the video
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Jul 29, 2016 18:34
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FAUXTON posted:I edited my post while you were making this one, but basically it's not only "as bad," in the experiment the scientists found the high-voltage vape penis putting out more formaldehyde than cigarettes to the tune of a 5-15x elevated cancer risk over long-term use. However, that's assuming the vape formaldehyde is not more dangerous than the kind that comes off tobacco. ...is there a source for this? 
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CommieGIR posted:...is there a source for this? http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/22/7872505/vaping-high-voltage-releases-carcinogens-e-cig and if you are leery of the verge, here's the NEJM paper: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc1413069 I love the baghdad bob act from the industry guy: quote:The vaping industry has dismissed the findings. Gregory Conley, president of the American Vaping Association, told The Verge that the way in which the researchers tested the e-cigarettes was improper. "This machine study used conditions that in no way replicated how actual human beings use vapor products," he says. "Anyone using the vapor product at the high setting would tap out — would stop using the product after two or three puffs — because it is that unpleasant of an experience." Conley also points out that when the e-cigarettes were used properly, "no formaldehyde was detected." Buncha fuckin' animals posting at the below link: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/3-7v-vs-5v-vaping.276590/ quote:I am sitting on my couch with a Ego and LR Atty. I have spent most of the day gaping a variable voltage with a 3 ohm carto between 5 and 6 volts. quote:Although others sometimes describe it as a hotter vape, I would describe it as a stronger vape. I've been mostly vaping at 5V for the past few months and when I vape at 3.7V now it seems weak. In terms of analogs (because we can all understand that, can't we?) I would compare it to smoking a Kool vs. smoking a Carlton.... Like I don't even know what half that poo poo means because I've never been interested in vape culture or being a vapist, but this guy seems to commit all of his vapes with high voltage.
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Dirt posted:It's been stuck there for like three days now. Haha. I guess it works despite making me physically cringe with the video I admit that I am buying it right now. I agree, the video is cringe-worthy- but strangely entertaining, too. Woke up to my Facebook feed filled with Bill playing with balloons.
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Svanja posted:Ok, I think I found the article? http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/22/7872505/vaping-high-voltage-releases-carcinogens-e-cig It's possibly a side effect of the addiction- it's not uncommon to fixate on unimportant side elements of consuming the substance, because a part of the mind of the addicted individual correlates the side elements with greater exposure to the substance. Even if they know that more vapor doesn't mean more nicotine, they still believe on some level that it gives them a bigger hit. This is one element that crosses over from people with similar mental conditions that aren't directly substance-driven, like eating disorders. Alternately, it could just mean they like rolling coal.
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TheBigAristotle posted:They claim the small disposable ones don't as much, but that seems unlikely, considering the article I read quoted a guy who works for one of the disposable e-cigs companies. Ah, so I'm not quite as loving boned as I was afraid. Still boned, mind. Svanja posted:Ok, I think I found the article? http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/22/7872505/vaping-high-voltage-releases-carcinogens-e-cig Yeah that's my take as well. I guess I could switch to gum or the patch or something but it's also the ritual involved. Maybe I could just take up breathing meditation techniques or something before my lungs turn to rock. I just don't -get- this whole vape culture thing other than it being an excuse to be an rear end in a top hat.
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I can't believe no one posted this yet https://twitter.com/ingridostby/status/758869304037158912
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FAUXTON posted:
He's not wrong though. That's not typically how they're used. Most people who vape are loving insufferable, but the methods they're using to conduct these tests are very strange and not indicative of real world usage.
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Carlosologist posted:I can't believe no one posted this yet A bunch of times actually
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Mel Mudkiper posted:A bunch of times actually Oh, I guess I hadn't seen it itt, still a great picture
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Discendo Vox posted:It's possibly a side effect of the addiction- it's not uncommon to fixate on unimportant side elements of consuming the substance, because a part of the mind of the addicted individual correlates the side elements with greater exposure to the substance. Even if they know that more vapor doesn't mean more nicotine, they still believe on some level that it gives them a bigger hit. This is one element that crosses over from people with similar mental conditions that aren't directly substance-driven, like eating disorders. Turning the voltage up doesn't increase the amount of juice vaporized per unit volume of air drawn through it? Serious question as I do not suck robot dick because I'm not a nicotine addict and don't want to be one.
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Jul 29, 2016 18:58
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Lord Hydronium posted:Of course there's an American Vaping Association. As Jeff Gerstmann has taught me, the rabbit-hole on vaping goes real deep.
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TheBigAristotle posted:As Jeff Gerstmann has taught me, the rabbit-hole on vaping goes real deep. The story about the guy that almost got fired from a vape-shop since he accidentally insulted a sponsored champion vape ring blower who complained to his boss was all I needed to know.
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Munkeymon posted:Turning the voltage up doesn't increase the amount of juice vaporized per unit volume of air drawn through it? Serious question as I do not suck robot dick because I'm not a nicotine addict and don't want to be one. It does, but there's a cut off point where the wick can't keep up with the amount of power being put to the coil so you start burning it and creating formaldehyde. They're literally burning through the tanks and taking measurements as if that's how people actually use them. edit: it's embarrassing that I even come off as defending vaping or whatever, but I just want to point out that the methodology they're using is extremely flawed and I take issue with the science and not the subject matter. On Terra Firma fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Jul 29, 2016 |
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Jul 29, 2016 19:00
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Svanja posted:I guess I'm the only one with Fight Song stuck in their head this morning. Nope, literally woke up this morning with it in my head. Which also put a smile on my face when I thought of how Hildawg owned the night last night.
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Epic High Five posted:Vince Fostered What rscott posted:Didn't realize Kareem gave a speech to the DNC, he was probably the leftest wing person to get a spot, and that includes Sanders Ahem, I think you meant Michael Jordan
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Discendo Vox posted:Alternately, it could just mean they like rolling coal. Anyway. It's great that trump is such a galvanizing enemy. I can't imagine these speeches being half as animated if he wasn't so loving terrible.
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Vince Fostering someone means Hillary killing them with her bare hands.
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Mahoning posted:Nope, literally woke up this morning with it in my head. Which also put a smile on my face when I thought of how Hildawg owned the night last night.  I was smiling, too, after the initial "oh my gaaawd" reaction.
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