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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I seem to recall hearing that at one point he was going around telling people that the reason Michael O'Hare left was because he got fired for alcoholism. I attended a B5 convention (it was tiny) in the late 90's and he went on a massive anti-woman rant during a panel so there's also that.
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Rhyno posted:I attended a B5 convention (it was tiny) in the late 90's and he went on a massive anti-woman rant during a panel so there's also that.  Maybe we can just talk about Andreas Katsulas instead. I mean look at him... just look at him! 
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I just love the fact that Guinan apparently has a direct comms line to the bridge, and she can call them up whenever she feels like chatting.
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Fister Roboto posted:I just love the fact that Guinan apparently has a direct comms line to the bridge, and she can call them up whenever she feels like chatting. Supposedly according to "The Neutral Zone" anyone can call anyone anywhere on the ship at any time but we're all expected to behave like adults and not abuse the privilege.
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Rhyno posted:Jerry Doyle was a goddamned rear end in a top hat but Garibaldi was such a great character. I saw him at a convention once and he was probably the funniest and most personable of the celebs/panelists there. While it may be easy to forget in the age of defriending, unlikes, and ignore buttons, lovely political views don't necessarily make someone an rear end in a top hat.
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Jerry Doyle being a right-winger made me like the Garibaldi character more. He is a cop, after all...Angry Salami posted:Babylon 5's cast seems to be dying off faster than TOS's. At this point, I wouldn't be suprised if Walter Koenig ended up the last one standing... BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 12:19 on Jul 29, 2016 |
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Tsaedje posted:There's no active thread for Babylon 5, but I guess this thread should have a lot of overlap. Garibaldi actor and lovely political view haver Jerry Doyle has died. There's not going to be any of them left in 10 years at this rate WTF is it with the B5 cast dying off so fast?! I didn't like Jerry Doyle's politics, and he wasn't the most polished actor, but Garibaldi was a great character. And Jerry nailed it in the last couple of seasons, when Garibaldi was "altered" by the PsiCorps and turned against Sheridan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMWTgdJSL5A RIP: Andreas Katsulas Michael O' Hare Richard Biggs Tim Choate Jerry Doyle Jeff Conaway
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Number_6 posted:WTF is it with the B5 cast dying off so fast?! I didn't like Jerry Doyle's politics, and he wasn't the most polished actor, but Garibaldi was a great character. And Jerry nailed it in the last couple of seasons, when Garibaldi was "altered" by the PsiCorps and turned against Sheridan: Don't worry, they've all been reincarnated as Minbari.
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Future's looking good for Star Trek: Discovery already: http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/07/cbs-says-star-trek-discovery-is-already-profitable-ahead-of-production/ Not sure how much I buy into that, detecting a little bit of spin there. It's possible they've been able to say that because they haven't actually spent much money on it yet! Also, this from the comments made me  An angry nerd posted:What's Les Moonves smoking? Domestic Star Trek fans are already boycotting the series due to the fan film guidelines. Also cute he thinks that the 0.01% of fans who care about fan films are actually a force to be reckoned with. Also also, can you boycott something that doesn't exist yet? Sure you can only intend to boycott it?
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I think that's a casual usage of present-for-future tense. By a dumb idiot.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I seem to recall hearing that at one point he was going around telling people that the reason Michael O'Hare left was because he got fired for alcoholism. Which isn't an unreasonable assumption to make if you aren't aware he's suffering from schizophrenia
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Start Truck Disco Very posted:already profitable and already forgotten
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I think it's pretty funny that Les Moonves is hyping up the new series, when he was the one who ordered the cancellation of Enterprise a decade ago.
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You can euthanize an animal that's clearly suffering miserably, and still go on to love a new pet.
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Otisburg posted:You can euthanize an animal that's clearly suffering miserably, and still go on to love a new pet. It's more like euthanizing an animal that finally stopped being sick.
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It's more like euthanizing a pet that, while cute, is not getting enough likes on instagram. It's sad but necessary.
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Otisburg posted:You can euthanize an animal that's clearly suffering miserably, and still go on to love a new pet. I thought Moonves was the one who absolutely hated Star Trek?
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Went to my local Ollie's and got the Q and Time Travel best-of's for $6 total. Good deal.
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Forgot CBS owns Showtime. It would be nice if they threw all their showtime subscribers a bone and made it available on showtime anytime which is actually a somewhat decent platform.
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WickedHate posted:It's more like euthanizing an animal that finally stopped being sick. I'm not sure how to stretch the analogy further to say that the pet was not getting the ratings it needed to. I think season 4 was the lowest rated of them all.
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You got a purebred dog from a shady breeder and almost immediately, he started having health issues. You nursed him along for two years, hoping he'd get better. Sure enough, the third year you had him, he started to get stronger and more independent. But halfway through the fourth year you had him, your dad ran him over the same day he learned to fetch and speak. You stuffed him and kept him in the living room for a few months, but now he sits in the attic gathering dust. You think about him now and then, but mostly just to remember how stupid he was those first two years.
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Now that's a good metaphor.Dirty posted:I'm not sure how to stretch the analogy further to say that the pet was not getting the ratings it needed to. I think season 4 was the lowest rated of them all. Yeah, obviously, but it feels like the implication of the wording was that it was a terrible show, and in reality it was aggressively mediocre until right when it ended.
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I've spent the last few days rewatching the Xindi arc, and I can tell you now that once they establish the premise and introduce Degra, the season gets very good. There's still poo poo like Exile, but the back half of that season is loving brutal in the best way. T'Pol is tripping on trellium, Archer is stealing parts from innocent ships in order to complete the mission, Trip is utterly broken from all the death around him, and the ship is a barely functioning wreck. It's what Voyager should have been, but given a more important goal than "go back home". It's not a coincidence that Manny Coto joined the show just as it got good. I'll agree that seasons 1-2 are mediocre-to-garbage, but 3 and 4 are Good Trek, much better than almost everything Voyager ever did.
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Problem is that a good half of the cast is still pretty dull even in the fourth season but I guess that's partially the fault of season 1 and 2. Poor Travis. Barely has any lines in a lot of episodes.
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Travis is still the most boring character in his own episode, the one where we meet his cargo crew family. Reed is so boring that I swear the writers were in on the joke. There's an episode in season 3 where they run into an alternate future generation-ship version of Enterprise and Reed is the only person who never got married or had kids. He just dies a lonely boring bachelor and no one gives a poo poo. Hoshi gets zero characterization beyond "was a teacher" and "knows all the languages". Everyone who isn't Phlox, Archer, Trip, or T'pol is pretty much just interactive set dressing.
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^^^there isn't anything terribly wrong with that, it's one more real character than TOS had for example. It's just that even the interesting characters on Ent are dire and boring 90% of the time. Dirty posted:I'm not sure how to stretch the analogy further to say that the pet was not getting the ratings it needed to. I think season 4 was the lowest rated of them all. All the post TNG shows had this same trend of worse ratings as they went on, the real problem was that Enterprise had bad ratings to start with.
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There'd been a first run season of Trek on for like 13 years atraight when ENT premiered, the last few of which had just been Voyager. People were burnt out. It was not a good time to jump in on a poorly written prequel.
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sunday at work posted:There'd been a first run season of Trek on for like 13 years atraight when ENT premiered, the last few of which had just been Voyager. People were burnt out. It was not a good time to jump in on a poorly written prequel. Hopefully the new prequel isn't poorly written!  Seriously though, I'll be very disappointed if STD is just another prequel. I want to see new stuff, not backstory dammit!
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They basically gave up trying to bring in new viewers by making easily accessible tv that you didn't need to watch a whole bunch of other poo poo to even comprehend at the same time as they began to alienate the people who were already watching by rehashing increasingly tired bullshit and a parasitic relationship with the fandom and the continuity.
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Just how bad were Enterprise's ratings? Below a 2.0?
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I hope they are making the new series Netflix-style in terms of just shooting straight through a season arc and not giving the producers any chance to retool the show partway through.
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How successful is under 2.0 these days?
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Berman and Braga were also complacent as gently caress, especially for the first two years. They thought they could keep churning out the same poo poo they'd been doing for years (literally, considering the number of scripts that recycled episodes from previous shows) and people would still watch. Remember how their stock response to questions about how things were going was "We're all very pleased"? It's easy to be pleased when you get paid handsomely for minimum effort.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Just how bad were Enterprise's ratings? Below a 2.0? No, but they came close. The finale was below 4, and most of the last season was lower still. e: for reference, Farscape never broke 2.0 at any point in its run. Enterprise performed badly relative to its budget and its predecessors, but most sci-fi shows wouldn't have gotten close to its audience. It had about the same kind of viewership figures as Babylon 5. skasion fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Jul 30, 2016 |
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HIJK posted:How successful is under 2.0 these days? More successful than it was a few years ago. Big Bang Theory and NCIS hover around 4.4-5.0, and they're two of CBS's bigger hits.
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Most of the CW lineup does about a 1.5 unless its Arrow or Supernatural and several of those are in their third seasons. Only the really horrid poo poo gets cancelled there.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I've spent the last few days rewatching the Xindi arc, and I can tell you now that once they establish the premise and introduce Degra, the season gets very good. No it was bad.
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I watched the first season of Enterprise a while back and had a really, really hard time telling the difference between Trip and Reed when they weren't speaking. I didn't even know what Reed's job was until the second season. Maybe that speaks more to my dumb brain but I choose to blame the show.
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Reed is his job. He's the dude in charge of shootiness. Phase pistols, torpedoes, ship security, all that. He's not much more than that, and I've come to appreciate that as I've gotten older. He's mostly professional, but when he falls apart, he does so hard. The military is full of Reeds. Trip is far more a lovely stereotype, to the point the show lampshades him as a lame southern stereotype.
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