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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Reed is his job. He's the dude in charge of shootiness. Phase pistols, torpedoes, ship security, all that. He's not much more than that, and I've come to appreciate that as I've gotten older. He's mostly professional, but when he falls apart, he does so hard. The military is full of Reeds. He's not going to understand it if you explain like that. Trip fixes things. Things to make them go. Reed shoots things. Things to make them dead.
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"Welp, the hatch on this alien ship is locked, but it's not a problem because I can just blow it up" is one of the first thing Reed does on Enterprise. Much later, Reed geeked-out over WW2 German dive bombers in the middle of an attack and made T'Pol roll her eyes. Reed owns.
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http://www.epictimes.com/07/28/2016/j-michael-straczynskis-statement-death-jerry-doyle/ Good read.
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Welp, saw Beyond tonight (after seeing Ghostbusters in the afternoon, which I thought was pretty good. Not classic as a film, but Holtzman might be a classic character and the whole movie may as well be The Jillian Holtzman Show because every shot is designed to make Kate McKinnon seem like the funniest, coolest, most badass woman to have ever lived. Like she will steal your girlfriend and you'll thank her for the privilege between laughs). Movie was very good and I agree with everyone who says it's probably on the First Contact level or maybe a hair above. The best thing I can say is it felt like Star Trek. Pine's Kirk finally got to a place where I can see a smidge of Shatner's, but not so much so that it feels like an impersonation. Quinto's Spock is emotional, but Spock always was. Half of TOS was him barely concealing his annoyance/anger at McCoy or affection for someone. Feels like every 3rd episode had some outburst. And movie-era Spock accepted that his human half and his emotions were important parts of him, and another step on his path to wisdom. Quinto-Spock just had a cheat sheet to get there a little faster. Plus there's like 3 years between STID and STB. If dude smiles once in 3 years, that's still a big deal. Urban's the one that stands the best from the impersonation stance, as his Kelley is uncanny, and when he's given the material, he nails it. Nearly every line of his had the entire cinema howling at my showing, the only exceptions being the clearly dramatic scenes. The climax with "Sabotage" was amazing and I realized exactly what track Jaylah was going to play about 10 seconds before it happened and spent the whole scene with a huge grin. Especially with the main trio's reactions. I think Krall's motivation, thematically anyway, is a bit more complex than 'revenge'. (I don't think Admiral Robocop was after revenge, either? I thought it was a whole false-flag/pre-emptive strike thing?) It's basically a concept of nativism and nationalism (Edison feeling like we need to constantly be in conflict with aliens, trying to beat them and 'win' without any thought to what winning actually gets you, basically a harder-line version of Archer's anti-Vulcan stance at the start of ENT) vs diversity and the Federation's cosmpolitan, diplomatic utopia, which shows that Pegg and his writing partner understand Trek a lot better than the previous team. I also agree with the notion that Yelchin shouldn't be recast, and instead adding Jaylah to the bridge crew would make a lot more sense, especially as Chekov's function in these films fits with her established character in this one: The youthful tech prodigy. Main critique I had was the shaky-cam in the fight scenes. There was literally one shot I recall where I could actually see the fight choreography.
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Gaz-L posted:(I don't think Admiral Robocop was after revenge, either? I thought it was a whole false-flag/pre-emptive strike thing?)
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The real problem I have with Quinto's Spock is that he has no gravitas. A lot of that is the voice. Nimoy's voice is iconic: gravelly, measured, and authoritative. You can instantly take him seriously as a not-quite-military officer when he speaks. His reading says "this dude knows what is up", and that's how the character is written too. Quinto's voice is much higher pitched and his delivery is a lot faster. His voice doesn't command respect. When he delivers lines full of technobabble he doesn't sound like an officer or scientist speaking with authority; he sounds like a pompous nerd.
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Jul 30, 2016 04:05
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Evek posted:Most of the CW lineup does about a 1.5 unless its Arrow or Supernatural and several of those are in their third seasons. Only the really horrid poo poo gets cancelled there. The only thing on CW that pulls in greater than a 1 rating in the key demo is Flash.
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Jul 30, 2016 04:12
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Holy poo poo, Iggy Pop Vorta!
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Rhyno posted:Holy poo poo, Iggy Pop Vorta! That is a good episode.
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Rhyno posted:Holy poo poo, Iggy Pop Vorta! And people say the Ferengi episodes are bad 
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Jul 30, 2016 06:41
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Big Mean Jerk posted:And people say the Ferengi episodes are bad Eh, he was the high point of the episode. The rest was pretty forgettable.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_7Pz85XJ7Q VHS boardgame appearance towards the end.
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Arglebargle III posted:No it was bad. What I hated about the Xindi arc was that it almost immediately took away from the premise of the show. If you're going to do a prequel, then it should be the Enterprise exploring the Alpha Quadrant and finding new poo poo, setting up the world we see in TOS. Oh look, here's this new planet blah blah and we are having first contact with them! Here's some weird cool poo poo like giant space amoebas like Kirk used to find! And if they were really ballsy, they could have went with canon and had the Enterprise have no viewscreens so it was like Wrath of Khan sub warfare, radio only (or BSG, to name another example of good, non-viewscreen scifi). And lasers and atomic missiles instead of "phase pistols" and "photonic torpedoes." No shields instead of "hull plating." No transporters the whole run of the show. Instead of making it a 1:1 clone of TNG era Trek, it could have been very different. Granted, they reversed that later with the Vulcan/Andorian/Tellerite stuff, and they had some cool exploration episodes, but the Xindi arc was a misstep. Hopefully if STD is a prequel again, they'll do a better job sticking with the premise right away.
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The really annoying thing was that they had the romulan war right there.
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The really annoying thing was how bad everything was, including the cringe-worthy space 9/11.
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Arglebargle III posted:The really annoying thing was how bad everything was, including the cringe-worthy space 9/11. DS9 did it better, and before 9/11 even! (Let's not forget the episode it copied wholesale from DS9, including having René Auberjonois) Kazy fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Jul 30, 2016 |
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I like the third season, honestly. There's a clear story, and I feel like it's pretty lovely to criticize it for being a reaction to 9/11. That event happened a mere two years earlier, and it coloured everything for a long time. I enjoy the fourth, but it feels way less focused despite having better stories overall.
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Kazy posted:DS9 did it better, and before 9/11 even! DS9 was an amalgam of WW2, Cold War, and Vietnam battles and issues. Enterprise was straight 9-11/Iraq.
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Jul 30, 2016 16:19
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Yeah if your referring to the Coup episodes or the Breen attack they read more like Cold War reactions like the strategy of tension in Italy (replace communists with Changelings) and Pearl Harbour inspired ( a surprise attack by a neutral if hostile power that sides with the enemy), the Maquis as the name suggest were supposed to be like the French resistance though they seemed more like a third world guerrilla movement, in the episodes we saw them playing a big role. I don't really get 9/11 vibe from DS9 at all. Though I first watched the show before 9/11, so maybe its one of those things a newer audience sees when they come to it. Unless of course your all talking about another bit in DS9 I'm forgetting.
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Gaz-L posted:... That whole scene is the first I can think of to outdo "I've got an idea!" from Stargate with regards to a scene where you see exactly where they're going with it and it just makes the payoff better when they do it. Baka-nin posted:Yeah if your referring to the Coup episodes or the Breen attack they read more like Cold War reactions like the strategy of tension in Italy (replace communists with Changelings) and Pearl Harbour inspired ( a surprise attack by a neutral if hostile power that sides with the enemy), the Maquis as the name suggest were supposed to be like the French resistance though they seemed more like a third world guerrilla movement, in the episodes we saw them playing a big role. Probably more Homefront/Paradise Lost with having a group of terrorists hiding among the populace and in the wake of an attack there are now soldiers on the streets and people pushing to trade personal freedoms for security. They lucked into a couple real world parallels before they actually happened.
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Eh, no that's happened plenty of times before, that was exactly how the Strategy of Tension in Italy was supposed to work, only the plan was exposed before the neo Fascist take over could happen. Pretty much most coups use a deteriorating security situation as justification for the Generals to takeover, and in most cases there's an open question as to whether or not the coup plotters were involved or just deliberately negligent.
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Kazy posted:DS9 did it better, and before 9/11 even! That's par for the course, there were at least a couple of Voyager episodes that were straight-up TNG rehashes
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Baka-nin posted:Eh, no that's happened plenty of times before, that was exactly how the Strategy of Tension in Italy was supposed to work, only the plan was exposed before the neo Fascist take over could happen. Pretty much most coups use a deteriorating security situation as justification for the Generals to takeover, and in most cases there's an open question as to whether or not the coup plotters were involved or just deliberately negligent. ...and then it happened again. I don't think anyone is under the impression that the Trek writers looked into a crystal ball and saw the future so much as there were a bunch of explicit 9/11 allegories afterward and several goons (myself included) think DS9 used prior history to touch on the subject better than most of the stories that were explicitly about 9/11.
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It was probably helped by both the generally higher quality of DS9 and not having actually had a bloody gash torn in America. I mean 9/11 legitimately seems to have broken a lot of people's brains, such as Frank Miller's.
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Enterprise is a good show, thats my opinion. Haven't seen season 1 or 2 though.
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That's probably why you think it's a good show.
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Even with those, it's an OK-to-good show, though. Worth watching if you are at all a Trek fan, just with cringeworthy bits and boring bits along with the good bits, like, you know, Star Trek.
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Kazy posted:(Let's not forget the episode it copied wholesale from DS9, including having René Auberjonois) To be fair that was more a Tempest rehash than any specific episode of DS9.
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Hi, I was wondering if you guys could help me find the answer to a few pieces of Star Trek trivia that I've been looking for. I figured this was the best place to ask. 1) When it is revealed in Star Trek 5 that Sybok is Spock's half brother, is that retconning a piece of established lore from the series/earlier films? Did Spock or Sarek ever outright say that Spock was an only child? 2) Is it true that Gene Roddenberry wanted the Ferengi to have giant dong's that required massive codpieces to house them and that they were meant to be great lovers? I've seen it mentioned on Memory Alpha but its only source is an obscure magazine article. Is it documented anywhere else? Cheers!
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DeadBonesBrook posted:2) Is it true that Gene Roddenberry wanted the Ferengi to have giant dong's that required massive codpieces to house them and that they were meant to be great lovers? I've seen it mentioned on Memory Alpha but its only source is an obscure magazine article. Is it documented anywhere else? The original premise of the Magnificent Ferengi was going to involve the theft of Rom's enormous dick.
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DeadBonesBrook posted:2) Is it true that Gene Roddenberry wanted the Ferengi to have giant dong's that required massive codpieces to house them and that they were meant to be great lovers? I've seen it mentioned on Memory Alpha but its only source is an obscure magazine article. Is it documented anywhere else? This is definitely true, though I don't know about the codpiece part. It was in the original in-house guide for the series before the main characters were even cast.
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Rhyno posted:The original premise of the Magnificent Ferengi was going to involve the theft of Rom's enormous dick. Though god knows why Gene Roddenberry wanted schluby guys with bad teeth to be known as remarkably adept lovers 
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FilthyImp posted:Though god knows why Gene Roddenberry wanted schluby guys with bad teeth to be known as remarkably adept lovers More influence from his lawyer?
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DeadBonesBrook posted:1) When it is revealed in Star Trek 5 that Sybok is Spock's half brother, is that retconning a piece of established lore from the series/earlier films? Did Spock or Sarek ever outright say that Spock was an only child? I'm pretty sure it had never been mentioned either way.
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Out of interest, would Enterprise actually function as a prequel? I mean I just watched the augment episode and thematically while it is a little ham fisted given all the nods to the future I think it could actually function quite well as effective foreshadowing/world building if you watched it wayy before you got to TNG.
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DeadBonesBrook posted:2) Is it true that Gene Roddenberry wanted the Ferengi to have giant dong's that required massive codpieces to house them and that they were meant to be great lovers? I've seen it mentioned on Memory Alpha but its only source is an obscure magazine article. Is it documented anywhere else?  
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I guess that first paragraph explains why the Ferengi kept twitching and snarling like they were on the mother of all sugar rushes. Out of everything odd and dumb in the last outpost that's the part that really convinced me that these guys were a joke. I'm pretty sure it was the first thing they ditched while hastily retooling them, they don't act like that in the Battle do they?
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It's hard to have an enemy be taken seriously if they're fidgety little goblins. Keep in mind the 'faster than Wyatt Earp on a bad day' would have been too expensive for them to sell with SFX on a regular basis, so that would be out too. It's a lot more imposing and scary if the master manipulator sneaks have some charisma. That's a large part of why the Cardassians work. You're never sure if they're in a long con or actually friendly.
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The Ferengi were at their best in their own episodes of DS9. If there were a Star Trek spin-off that was just the misadventures of Ferengi, I would watch the poo poo out of it. It's Never Sunny on Ferenginar or something like that.
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