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kapparomeo posted:It's fascinating that a man who is so keen on organising labour is so unremittingly awful at organising Labour. its a lot easier when you can chain and whip them for sure 368: the great conspiracy ended
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OwlFancier posted:I said that if we grant it for the sake of argument then the complaint is still stupid. This is the most basic stuff, working with the people you've delegated tasks to. Having some idea of what they're doing. JC can't do it. Why is this OK again? OwlFancier posted:If I can be expected, and in some cases manage, to work around managerial incompetence, I expect a cabinet minister to do the same. This is absurd, and it's absurd that people are making excuses for it because all the other MPs are all nasty and stuff and won't get in line with their leader who is somehow even more useless than the one they just had, who gave them their worst election defeat in loving ages. This isn't just her, this is a bunch of others, it's Coleman, it's Murphy and on and on. People have been saying they are exceptionally useless at this stuff. Not only that but on the accounts this is not seen as 'normal' managerial rubbishness witnessed in, for example, shadow cabinets of the past. This is exceptional levels of brain-dead.
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If you were to ask me what that complaint, and the others represent, it's the actions of someone who doesn't like their boss and is going out of their way to be a passive aggressive dick about it. I would say that because that's what I do when I don't like my boss. When I do like my boss, or if I am doing something I believe to be important, I will make an effort to work around issues like that because it's frankly not very difficult and assuming I'm not actively hostile or completely mentally checked out of the job I'm doing, it makes a lot of sense to put that extra little bit of effort in to get the important work done. Now I am quite willing to grant that MPs are openly hostile to Corbyn because they've been consistently hostile to him since before he was even elected, but the issue there is not Corbyn, not in a democratic system, he's the elected leader and it is the function of the MPs to ensure that he's an effective one. If MPs aren't willing to do that, they need to go.
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DesperateDan posted:Someone is that shocked and upset that something good that they put time and effort into is pissed all over by management with neither sense or reason? On it's own this looks like a real shame but not a complete disaster but if there's more of it going on that hasn't been made public - and there's been plenty of hints - it's something that Corbyn and his circle should be pressured on by people on his side they might listen to, in the interests of this whole left-wing resurgence. If they don't pull basic press messaging and policy ideas together alongside their outreach and movement building the latter has no hope of getting them into power to reverse austerity. Surely they need to rope in as many of the rest of labour as will work with them and build a visible concrete platform of practical ideas to stave off occupy-itus. If leaders like Mcdonnel can't or wont use useful ideas, communicate or cooporate with all the rest of labour they're pretty much guaranteeing a split in the party along.
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AFAIK, this isn't really a one time thing? There has been lots of complaints in general about the difficulty of reaching Corbyn or any of his inner-circle for advice or marching orders. The real shame is that people should be bringing these flaws to light more often to pressure Corbyn into working on them and improving them but its all drowned out by the utter nonsense the PLP is spewing.
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quote:“The people in Michaela are kind and polite.” quote:“The teachers are fantastic at Michaela. They are kind and always happy doing their job. They give us merits and demerits. quote:“Michaela has made me into a much kinder person.” quote:“Since I left primary, I have become much kinder at helping pupils, teachers and even at home.” I wonder how often being kind and being polite is beaten into these kids if 4 out of 14 handpicked student quotes all mention it?
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Clearly don't indoctrinate them with humility, talking up how kind you are? How gauche!
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Hoops posted:If we grant for the sake of argument that I am a violent sadistic wife-beater, my wife really is dumb for marrying me. 
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:I wonder how often being kind and being polite is beaten into these kids if 4 out of 14 handpicked student quotes all mention it? It seems weird that it has an endorsement from Boris Johnson, he doesn't seem like the authoritarian type. On reflection that's probably more his media personality than anything (bit like him ruffling his hair before going on camera and the like). Can hardly say May's better for civil liberties though. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Jul 30, 2016 |
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I bet those kids are incredibly polite though.
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The real question is, have you stopped beating your wife?
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I bet they're incredibly sadistic to each other when the teachers aren't looking.
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Jul 30, 2016 15:34
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I just found a copy of their school rules someone had uploaded.
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Munin posted:Not if it is being spoon fed to you with plenty of free booze to help the story go down. Basically: I wish Corbyn would do exactly this, or employ people to do it. He doesn't have to do it directly himself. It wouldn't have to involve changing any of his policies or general philosophy in any way, or doing less on Facebook or ending the McDonnell lectures.
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I'm getting worried, what if Jeremy Corbyn is just a loving idiot? Evidence: He is an MP.
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Paxman posted:I wish Corbyn would do exactly this, or employ people to do it. He doesn't have to do it directly himself.
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Hoops posted:If we grant it for the sake of argument though, then the problem is much bigger than her being a bit of a baby. It's just an odd tactic to use to discredit her. If we grant for the sake of argument that I am a violent sadistic wife-beater, my wife really is dumb for marrying me. lmao
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Hoops posted:I've consistently expressed my support for "Jeremy Corbyn surrounded by a better loving team". I think his team's main trouble is the degree to which it's on a learning curve. There's simply no-one who combines the right politics with the relevant experience.
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OvineYeast posted:I think his team's main trouble is the degree to which it's on a learning curve. There's simply no-one who combines the right politics with the relevant experience.
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Just reading this Guardian piece on the possible split http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/30/owen-smith-should-condemn-attempts-to-split-labour-says-john-mcdonnell It's incredible. They still manage to talk about threats to Angela Eagle.
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Carswell has the aura of true, ugly evilness lurking below the surface that disturbs me. You know how like dogs start barking at the woods in horror movies because they sense something. Farage doesn't have it, not many do. The last person who gave me that same feeling was Nick Griffin.
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Hoops posted:Carswell has the aura of true, ugly evilness lurking below the surface that disturbs me. You know how like dogs start barking at the woods in horror movies because they sense something. Sorry Hoops, you're a good lad but this is one step too far for me.
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Looke posted:it's that stroke like - Igor face he has
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Oh on the ban on CLP meeting stuff: It even bans the executive council for that CLP from meeting. So, our local labour party has just managed to swing a deep discount of renting some office space in a new UNITE building, which would be a huge upgrade over the dinky hole which is the current labour party office. But the EC need to pass one more motion to go ahead, and now they can't. So UNITE have to find a new tenant. Great move by the NEC!
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/30/theresa-may-delayed-hinkley-point-chinese-beijing-vince-cable Hinckley point looking doomed because May/one of her advisers doesn't like the chinese investment.
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OwlFancier posted:Even if true that's pretty normal for most people doing minimum wage work only we don't get to throw a hissy fit about it. If she can't work around that she's obviously never had a real job. What?
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:I just found a copy of their school rules someone had uploaded. hosed up that the school doesn't allow bullying or disrespectful behaviour
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Jose posted:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/30/theresa-may-delayed-hinkley-point-chinese-beijing-vince-cable Osborne always did have a weirdly massive boner for the Chinese.
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Namtab posted:hosed up that the school doesn't allow bullying or disrespectful behaviour pigfucker wouldn't have lasted very long there then
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I thought it was funny and surprisingly apt. 
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Guavanaut posted:Being as it's convention (although not written anywhere, of course) for the Secretary of State for Scotland and their shadow to be Scottish, the Lord Chancellor/Justice Minister to have a law degree, etc. will it be customary for the Minister for Neurodiversity to be autistic?  Believe it or not, the requirements for the Lord Chancellor are in fact written down in the Constitutional Reform Act 2005. quote:Part 2 I've bolded my favourite part - let us never forget that this gave us Chris loving Grayling. As an aside, is it just me, or does he look really sinister in this photo. Red eyes would not look out of place:  Edit: Looke posted:What can the NEC do to the CLPs if they meet anyway? I can't quite find the original thing I read, but I think I saw that they would come under centralised control under 'special measures'.
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nothing to seehere posted:Oh on the ban on CLP meeting stuff: It even bans the executive council for that CLP from meeting. So, our local labour party has just managed to swing a deep discount of renting some office space in a new UNITE building, which would be a huge upgrade over the dinky hole which is the current labour party office. But the EC need to pass one more motion to go ahead, and now they can't. So UNITE have to find a new tenant. Great move by the NEC!
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El Grillo posted:Thought they could request meetings to vote on specific things, if it's exceptional circumstances? Maybe this doesn't count though. They did, and the regional branch office told them to gently caress off. The guy I was talking to about it is a progress member aswell, and he's pissed about it
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:If that's an "elite" school in the UK, it explains a lot of what I've found so puzzling about the UK ruling class. The utter incompetence most of all. Can you describe what you mean by terrible at politics? Who is good at politics, beyond the UK, in your view?
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I hope that Corbyn is going to reimburse Jess Phillips with Labour party funds for the locksmith she definitely needed to prevent her kids getting murdered https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/758670826732412929 This was, of course, retweeted by that twat who shouted at Jeremy on the street and said Brexit was his fault, and to stop using LGBT members as a human shield. The Saurus fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Jul 30, 2016 |
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