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rscott posted:My biggest problem with people complaining about CC math processes and standards is that it's the same people who will wear "I'm terrible at math" as a loving badge of honor and then turn around and criticize the way teachers are teaching their kids math My favorite is when people who made a C- grade in high school history and didn't study history in college try to tell you in-depth what the Civil War was really about. These people also tend to not read books after finishing school.
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edrith posted:Jill Stein is currently on twitter complaining that even though NC's voting restrictions were struck down, NC is still evil because they require 90k signatures for her to be on the ballot She'd watch the country burn in the hands of the GOP if it got her one more vote. She's like Littlefinger only without the success. SedanChair posted:In my experience CC math assignments can compound the problem of kids not understanding the meaning of the operations, with the problem of me not knowing how I am supposed to help them do their homework. I can show them how I would do it but that usually results in the kid panicking and saying "that's not how they want us to do it!!" The fact that "solve for x but show your work" isn't the guildline with "here's different ways to do it (normal vs cc)" is lovely. HEll I hated showing my math as a kid simply because I did most of it in my head instead of spending time writing it down (which is less feasible when you get in to HS/College sure) and most of the time teachers were fine with it as long as they knew I wasn't just using a calculator. FuzzySkinner posted:https://twitter.com/clapifyoulikeme/status/759220522282545152 If Clinton didn't have 20+ years of GOP propaganda (and Bill's lovely sexual behavior) chained to her she would probably be blowing Trump away by double digits even after his RNC bounce. Keep in mind that those first time voters that went to Bernie in huge numbersare younger than the GOP's vendetta against the Clintons. I don't doubt there's a lot of Bernie or Bust people who have a hard time changing simply because they grew up only ever hearing about how loving evil Hilary is. The email server was probably her closest thing to a true scandal which is why the GOP was so livid when Comey threw the cold water of reality in their face and said it was dumb but not criminal.
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Evil Fluffy posted:If Clinton didn't have 20+ years of GOP propaganda (and Bill's lovely sexual behavior) chained to her she would probably be blowing Trump away by double digits even after his RNC bounce. Also the fact that Republicans have spent almost three decades trying to destroy her over literally any tiny thing actually explains a lot about why she would want a private email server in the first place, but unfortunately that turns it into a self-fulfilling prophecy of "be secretive in order to avoid scandal, end up in scandal because of being secretive".
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rscott posted:My biggest problem with people complaining about CC math processes and standards is that it's the same people who will wear "I'm terrible at math" as a loving badge of honor and then turn around and criticize the way teachers are teaching their kids math I'm awful at math...and I'm glad I never had to do common core from the sounds of it. But...I do feel that the american education system is hosed up in regards to how things are taught. It feels like a lot of the stuff is geared towards the educational version of the "1 percent". (honor's kids) Everything is sped up...and it's very ayn randian in terms of how it's set up. Math needs to almost be taught in a "socialist" way. If there's some honor's kids that want it taught the traditional way? Then by all means they should take it in that manner. But there needs to be a better system for the average student. Spacebump posted:My favorite is when people who made a C- grade in high school history and didn't study history in college try to tell you in-depth what the Civil War was really about. These people also tend to not read books after finishing school. I learned more about American History via taking classes in college than I ever did in HS.  .
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rscott posted:My biggest problem with people complaining about CC math processes and standards is that it's the same people who will wear "I'm terrible at math" as a loving badge of honor and then turn around and criticize the way teachers are teaching their kids math It's strange to me that so many people grew up hating math and never really getting it and now they are the ones clamoring to keep the old way. Clinton picked up an endorsement I didn't see coming It's been interesting on Facebook after the DNC. The friends who were angry that Bernie didn't win and were looking towards Stein have dried up and my Republican friends have also toned it down and now are just shrugging that Hillary winning probably wouldn't be that bad. My parents still think she's the Devil but they said the same about Obama.
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Miss Nomer posted:I'm a teacher, not of math though, and most of the math teachers I know really like CC math. It's more about teaching number theory (the whys) rather than the old "here's a formula, solve for x". The two issues are 1) parents who grew up with the old math have no idea how to help their kids because they never saw it and 2) it's been difficult for the students who've had multiple years of the old style to switch over to cc math. I was in the military so most of my FB friends are/were in the military and they have just doubled down on their Hillary hate. Some of them have quieted down, but the ones who have always been obnoxious about it are even more obnoxious. My favorite meme floating around right now is the one that says Trump was never accused of racism until he ran against democrats.
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Miss Nomer posted:I'm a teacher, not of math though, and most of the math teachers I know really like CC math. It's more about teaching number theory (the whys) rather than the old "here's a formula, solve for x". The two issues are 1) parents who grew up with the old math have no idea how to help their kids because they never saw it and 2) it's been difficult for the students who've had multiple years of the old style to switch over to cc math. Does Common Core use those Base 10 blocks or whatever they are to help the kids visualize the problem? I remember seeing one of my friend's kids using the blocks and it confusing the poo poo out of me. But after looking at it for a few minutes it made sense, and seemed like it would be easier if that's how you learned it from the start. Man parents seem to loving hate those blocks from what I've overheard though, because it doesn't immediately click for people taught the old way and makes it all the harder to help your kids out with the math you never used again after learning it.
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TBeats posted:My favorite meme floating around right now is the one that says Trump was never accused of racism until he ran against democrats. This's is pretty funny considering he just doubled down on the Central Park 5 within the last week. Dudes always been an insane racist, it just never got much notice outside of New York.
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TBeats posted:I was in the military so most of my FB friends are/were in the military and they have just doubled down on their Hillary hate. Some of them have quieted down, but the ones who have always been obnoxious about it are even more obnoxious. I've seen that in real life. Apparently, Trump's repeatedly racist rants against everyone aren't enough to prove he is actually a racist. Some people gleefully swallow all the Republican talking points no matter how bad.
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Geostomp posted:I've seen that in real life. Apparently, Trump's repeatedly racist rants against everyone aren't enough to prove he is actually a racist. Some people gleefully swallow all the Republican talking points no matter how bad. "He said that a federal judge born in America wasn't fit to judge him because he wasn't white" "Well he may have conflict with his policies" "He was sued repeatedly for flagrant housing discrimination practices" "Government amirite" "He spent years accusing Obama of being a Kenyan Muslim for no better reason than he was black and had a funny name" "He was just asking questions!" "He called Mexicans rapists from day 1" "Well somebody is doing the raping...."
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http://electionjusticeusa.org/ This is making the rounds on facebook and the alt-news sites. It's pretty fun: quote:An Electoral System in Crisis Report's here. I can't tell if the authors are bernouts, self-promoters, conspiracy theorists, Russian fellow-travelers, or all of the above.
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Jul 30, 2016 23:11
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Election Justice USA was created to create awareness of that one study some student in the Netherlands or somewhere did showing that voting machines were rigged because he forgot that there's two parties in the US and so found tons of discrepancies because wow, look at all these people voting not for Clinton and she won!
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Jul 30, 2016 23:16
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Epic High Five posted:Election Justice USA was created to create awareness of that one study some student in the Netherlands or somewhere did showing that voting machines were rigged because he forgot that there's two parties in the US and so found tons of discrepancies because wow, look at all these people voting not for Clinton and she won!
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Jul 30, 2016 23:24
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sarmhan posted:Oh. So it's in a similar vein to British commentators comparing Trump to Leave? Yep, while in theory it could be two comparable things, the bedrock of the whole argument is enormously flawed. The UK is 90% white while the US is 60% white, and primaries involve more than one party voting at a time (in most cases and the ones reviewed) It's up there with exit polling being used as a gold standard.
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Metapod posted:Yes I'm very very aware of this to the drawing board is where I stand So all you have is two cents from the side lines. I'm telling you the standards are actually quite great and based on sound educational theory and practice. The problem is implementation where LEAs are severely unsupported both in training and in funding.
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rscott posted:She would trade Donald Trump getting elected for the Green party hitting 10 or 15% nationally but she wanted to step aside for Sanders to take over the party Nomination so I don't think it's necessarily all about her but she seems to really dislike Hillary Clinton People calling Hillary Clinton the first female major party nominee makes her loving livid. My guess is she thinks Hillary stole her place in the history books and wants to make her suffer for it. Hillary took the title of first woman nominee, so Jill wants more than anything to keep the title of first woman President from Hillary. Plan Z posted:Honestly, I think that's one of her biggest problems. The left really hid her accomplishments from view for so long that nobody really knows what she's about. Bill's speech stood out to me because nobody ever actually gave her accomplishments the time of day. Its in pretty stark contrast to the egomaniacal narcissist who never accomplished anything significant.
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Discendo Vox posted:http://electionjusticeusa.org/ I can't speak to their statistical methods, but assuming that older machines must be less accurate and that hand recounts reveal a problem with the machine count are both pretty bad signs
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Fulchrum posted:People calling Hillary Clinton the first female major party nominee makes her loving livid. My guess is she thinks Hillary stole her place in the history books and wants to make her suffer for it. Hillary took the title of first woman nominee, so Jill wants more than anything to keep the title of first woman President from Hillary She isn't even the first Green Party female nominee, which is what makes her anger at Hillary all the more confusing.
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Munkeymon posted:I can't speak to their statistical methods, but assuming that older machines must be less accurate and that hand recounts reveal a problem with the machine count are both pretty bad signs I can speak to statistical methods, but I'm hoping to analyze the data myself without looking closely at their analysis first. I have the pdfs and am tidying data to import for analysis now.
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Bast Relief posted:So all you have is two cents from the side lines. I'm telling you the standards are actually quite great and based on sound educational theory and practice. The problem is implementation where LEAs are severely unsupported both in training and in funding. It looks good on paper I get that. I don't believe it's going to be this massive improvement I think it's going to hurt those who are in mid transition more than those who may gain from being brought up in it. Maybe I'm wrong and it turns into a massive success in fact very few things would make me happier than for me to eat these words and cc actually improves the educational system by a great deal.
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The thing that frustrates me about (some) Sanders supporters is that they seem to still be holding something against the idea of voting for Hillary. Within her speech she seems to at least be willing to reach out for out support, and seems really interested in the ideas that we in the base are espousing. "WELL SHE TAKES MONEY FROM WALL STREET!" Yes...yes she does. But I think this is about playing the game sadly. I dislike typing that, but I imagine her, Bill and others know that there's literally no other way they can survive in this climate without doing so. This is why we SHOULD work on campaign finance reform and get money out of politics. Hillary seems like she tried to do many crusades within washington from 1990 on, but would always be met with resistance from shithead republicans (and some cowardly democrats) who would throw tantrums over any concept of social progress. Reason? They were getting paid off and she couldn't defeat these assholes with one hand tied behind her back. Seeing this video actually makes me SEETH in anger. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjI_84W9tco FuzzySkinner fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Jul 31, 2016 |
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I would've taken money from loving Hitler. People who bitch about money getting thrown at politicians are goddamn liars if they say they wouldn't do the same.
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TBeats posted:I would've taken money from loving Hitler. People who bitch about money getting thrown at politicians are goddamn liars if they say they wouldn't do the same. Yeah but come on, that's probably because you like Hitler.
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Metapod posted:It looks good on paper I get that. I don't believe it's going to be this massive improvement I think it's going to hurt those who are in mid transition more than those who may gain from being brought up in it. Maybe I'm wrong and it turns into a massive success in fact very few things would make me happier than for me to eat these words and cc actually improves the educational system by a great deal. So just keep doing the same thing with continued failure. Standards are not infrastructure anyway. They are just what kids should be able to learn and do. It sounds like you're really at issue with infrastructure of schools. That is my issue too. Fight for improvement in that not the endless battle of standards.
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Metapod posted:It looks good on paper I get that. I don't believe it's going to be this massive improvement I think it's going to hurt those who are in mid transition more than those who may gain from being brought up in it. Maybe I'm wrong and it turns into a massive success in fact very few things would make me happier than for me to eat these words and cc actually improves the educational system by a great deal. Teachers have a fair amount of latitude in their pedagogy, if not their schedules and support. I worked in an inclusion-style classroom, meaning huge disparities from student to student in math ability. Everything Bast says is on the money.
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Bast Relief posted:So just keep doing the same thing with continued failure. Standards are not infrastructure anyway. They are just what kids should be able to learn and do. It sounds like you're really at issue with infrastructure of schools. That is my issue too. Fight for improvement in that not the endless battle of standards. No I just don't think cc are the changes that need to be made. Yes the infrastructure is where a lot of my pessimism stems from
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Yeah the problem I referred to is really a problem of teachers not having the time or opportunity to communicate with parents and caregivers and explain lesson plans. It's a problem CC was designed in part to fix, but the implementation hasn't addressed it at all because it hasn't fixed the critical funding issues.
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Metapod posted:No I just don't think cc are the changes that need to be made. Yes the infrastructure is where a lot of my pessimism stems from Have you read them? You're picking the wrong battle. It's so easy for people to say blah common core sucks and leave it at that without fighting for the real issues. The standard changes absolutely needed to happen.
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TBeats posted:My favorite meme floating around right now is the one that says Trump was never accused of racism until he ran against democrats. Did they miss the fact that he was an insane birther since 2008?
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Bast Relief posted:Have you read them? You're picking the wrong battle. It's so easy for people to say blah common core sucks and leave it at that without fighting for the real issues. The standard changes absolutely needed to happen. Plus the CC math standards were heavily sought out and research precisely because we did not stack up well in math education. The more or less represent what is believed to be best among those whose goal is to study such things. Admittedly the transition has been terrible but that is because of infrastructure and our general lack of will to actually address education, like you said. But parents themselves have been a strong stumbling block because change and challenging our own biases makes people uncomfortable.
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Pastrymancy posted:I kind of expected the Green party to have a more coherent energy policy for some reason The American Green Party is the fringe of the fringe. They don't want to change things, they want to win. If they ever accomplished their explicitly stated goals, it wouldn't satisfy them. What they want is to defeat the antagonists they assume are bedevilling them. If they get what they claim to desire, they'll wander the earth slack-jawed wondering why the gently caress they don't feel any better, and then... Well. That's when they'll call shenanigans and say that the other guy cheated. They really are just fascists who like trees. Don't tell them though. They might just realize it's true.  Transhumanist Party, meanwhile, is an advocacy group an actual coherent platform that it works to achieve outside of quixotic attention grabbing and nationally broadcast nonsense. They write legislation and have a literary journal with critique.
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Metapod posted:I guess I need to say I also think the old way is pure loving garbage. Yes I'm aware how math works. Sometimes new is really awesome and helpful like when a new way to factor became mainstream that really made factoring way easier to understand but other times new isn't all that helpful and can over complicate things for no real reason like what was wrong with carrying numbers? It is a very useful visual tool so why change it to counting dots? I'm going to go out on a limb and say you probably haven't looked at the Common Core math standards too deeply. Here's the relevant standard for first grade addition: CCSS.Math.Content.1.NBT.C.4 posted:Add within 100, including adding a two-digit number and a one-digit number, and adding a two-digit number and a multiple of 10, using concrete models or drawings and strategies based on place value, properties of operations, and/or the relationship between addition and subtraction; relate the strategy to a written method and explain the reasoning used. Understand that in adding two-digit numbers, one adds tens and tens, ones and ones; and sometimes it is necessary to compose a ten. There is no forbiddance of "carrying" (though best practices suggests we should call it "regrouping" at all times, as that's a more exact use of terminology), just the requirement that the student be able to explain what is happening when they do it by using a model (e.g. base-10 blocks), drawing or written explanation. I'll grant you, the standards do basically prevent you from telling kids to just "carry a one," but I don't really consider that a downside if understanding is the goal of education.
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archangelwar posted:Plus the CC math standards were heavily sought out and research precisely because we did not stack up well in math education. The more or less represent what is believed to be best among those whose goal is to study such things. Admittedly the transition has been terrible but that is because of infrastructure and our general lack of will to actually address education, like you said. Thank you! In my experience it's not worth worrying about parents though it's great if you can have their help. Ultimately though, if a kid is in your classroom you have to teach them whether or not they have an ideal home life. It would be great though, if parents would just let us educators do that and not perpetuate dumb stuff about standards.
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Bast Relief posted:Have you read them? You're picking the wrong battle. It's so easy for people to say blah common core sucks and leave it at that without fighting for the real issues. The standard changes absolutely needed to happen. I believe both common core and the "old way" suck largely because neither one of them are going to get or got the proper funding to succeed throughout the country. This does not mean something new should not be tried but perhaps something easier to transition to. I understand the real problems which is why I don't like cc because I know it's going to be used as a scapegoat instead of acknowledging the actual problems. Want this to be clear cc is bad because it doesn't solve any of main issues (because standards really can't do that) while also creating short term problems. Now it could very well solve a good deal of minor issues which would make up for the short term problems. I really really hope you're right about cc but I think it's going to end up as a lateral move
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Munkeymon posted:I can't speak to their statistical methods, but assuming that older machines must be less accurate and that hand recounts reveal a problem with the machine count are both pretty bad signs Sorry if I wasn't clear- it's an insane conspiracy theory.
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Bast Relief posted:So all you have is two cents from the side lines. I'm telling you the standards are actually quite great and based on sound educational theory and practice. The problem is implementation where LEAs are severely unsupported both in training and in funding. I taught a subject that didn't have to cleave to CC testing standards in a school that was in the process of implementing CC and this is pretty much the consensus. Standards are great, new math methodology is great, emphasis on critical thinking when engaging with literature is great, but they basically threw a book of CC standards at every teacher in the country and said "Do this next year" and left it at that. Even the best teachers are frazzled by the switch, and it's incredibly confusing for a ninth grader who has been told to show her work since kindergarten to have to reorient by following a teacher who can't properly articulate the new method. The overtesting makes everyone - student, parents, teachers - even more anxious. Teachers love CC the thing itself; they just hate how the department of education acted like they could just switch to it overnight.
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ErichZahn posted:The American Green Party is the fringe of the fringe. They don't want to change things, they want to win. If they ever accomplished their explicitly stated goals, it wouldn't satisfy them. What they want is to defeat the antagonists they assume are bedevilling them. If they get what they claim to desire, they'll wander the earth slack-jawed wondering why the gently caress they don't feel any better, and then... Well. That's when they'll call shenanigans and say that the other guy cheated. The Green Party doesn't actually want to win; their entire appeal is about being the fringe outsider party on the sidelines that can safely thumb their nose at the actual leftist politicians trying to enact real change inside the Democratic Party.
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