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Speaking of Journey to the West, I find it great that there's been 6 movies out of China based on it in 4 years, including next year's sequel to Conquering the Demons. I should get about to watching that, I loved the book.
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Sir Kodiak posted:Maybe this is what you're referencing, but Snyder has a copy of the Washington Crossing the Delaware painting in his office and he points to it as the motivation for why he wants to make the movie. Robot Chicken was just telling the truth? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTcVNuNX8yY
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Vegetable posted:Sometimes I literally have no idea what you're trying to say. In this age where we literally have a presidential candidate calling for the construction of a wall shoring off our borders from rapists and drug lords, does the propagandistic implication of this film really not occur to you? The point is that Wu is only ostensibly criticizing a lack of diversity in an regressive, imperialist fantasy because she does not in fact see the work as anything other than a tropic narrative. She reads the point as being that Matt Damon is a 'white savior,' and asks "Why can't the militaristic savior be a POC?" The real question is why would this have been the case? She overlooks that the ethno-national distinction between Damon, Pascal, Dafoe and the Chinese cast is the point, that Damon is not saving the Other, but standing in for the dominant subjective of the American imaginary and assisting this projection of the Chinese national imaginary in fortifying their own 'pure' ethno-nation against 'invasion.' If we imagine for a second that The Great Wall has no revisionist white protagonist, or, indeed, no Western characters at all, regardless of ethno-national identity, what does this do to redeem the Other? Realize, that China Film Group and its interests are not the Other in this scenario. The Other are the dragons, the 'Mongoloid races' that threaten the rightful manifestation of Western and Eastern 'civilization.' We need to work together to fight 'the real enemy.'
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kiimo posted:The monsters are just a thinly veiled racist representation of Mongolians. if that's the case, what about the mongolians singing Adele in Skiptrace?
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K. Waste posted:In this age where we literally have a presidential candidate calling for the construction of a wall shoring off our borders from rapists and drug lords, does the propagandistic implication of this film really not occur to you? I still have absolutely no idea what your last two paragraphs are trying to say. What is the "American imaginary"? What is the "Chinese national imaginary"? What is the "rightful manifestation of Western and Eastern civilization," as the film asserts? Also, you're missing Wu's point entirely (not to mention butchering the use of ostensibly over and over again). Of course the film could be enmeshed in whatever ethno-national subtext you're imagining. That doesn't preclude her point that this is a Hollywood co-financed production that invents ahistorical scenarios just to parachute white saviors into the picture. She has no interest in whether this makes sense for the particular story, the market, or the powers that be; she's taking the broader view and reading this film within the history of Hollywood racism.
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I'm the guy laying on the floor behind the lockers.
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Vegetable posted:Who's propagating this comparison? "Propaganda" suggests somebody is selling their agenda. Who actively engineered and benefited from a story about walls keeping "the Others" out? Man everything you're asking is answered in the posts you've quoted. K. Waste already wrote that the entities making the film - Universal Pictures, 乐视影业, and 中国电影集团公司 - are neoliberal, pushing for globalization. The narrative of the film - white dude helps build a great wall in China to keep out the mongol hordes - is an outgrowth of the partnership between the white dudes at Comcast/NBCUniversal and China Film Group Corporation (which is run by the Chinese state). SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Aug 2, 2016 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Man everything you're asking is answered in the posts you've quoted. That said, your clarification makes sense. My problem isn't with the argument, which is thoughtful, but with the expression, which was genuinely messing my head up. Vegetable fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Aug 2, 2016 |
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falz posted:Gosh I can't wait to see this! Looks like a quality production.
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falz posted:Gosh I can't wait to see this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtMmpHFTMnU
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Vegetable posted:The only statement about neoliberalism was in this garble of a sentence: "What is occurring in neoliberal discourse is essentially the spirit of mutual confirmation between international superpowers, basically the tacit 'free market' re-working of both the U.S.'s relationship with Communism as well as China's relationship with the U.S.'s orientalism." That sentence is really pretty clear. Great Wall is China appropriating orientalist imagery and using it to sell authoritarian capitalism ("capitalism with Asian values") back to the US. As Zizek notes: "It's a supreme ironic fact that where today communists still in power, they are the most efficient ruthless managers of capitalism. The ideal place to be a capitalist is China: they control trade unions and guarantee workers will not rebel." In this context, the basic 'wall' imagery is unmistakable: "People say our society is becoming global: Berlin Wall fell down. Yes, but new walls are emerging everywhere, even literally. United States and Mexico, Israel and West Bank. And so on. [...] [Peter Slotterdijk] said that globalism doesn't mean we are all in one big global society, he said that globe also means globe in the sense of cupola, grouping us and isolating us from the rest. Like he was probably referring to films like Elysium, where the privileged elite live under a protective cupola. And this is more and more our situation today. Go to LA: you have the symbolic cupola of Hollywood, Santa Monica, and then you have Inglewood, and literally if you are within the privileged part you are rationally aware there are slums but you don't really see them, they are not part of your world. You just become aware of them when violent riots, protests, explode." -Zizek Great Wall is Elysium from the perspective of the Elysians, and it seems unlikely that it'll be conducive to being read as satire. The slums are 'what they are trying to keep out.' And the joke is that liberals in the US embrace this as a solid example of multiculturalism, with the only concern being that it's not multicultural enough.
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I want to see Gary Busey play the coach like in that episode of Tom Goes to the Mayor and hurl cutting abuse at everyone involved in the scene, including the crew. Fifteen minutes of Busey angrily ranting about how poo poo the movie is would be the only thing that could make it watchable.
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Millions of Crows posted:I want to see Gary Busey play the coach like in that episode of Tom Goes to the Mayor and hurl cutting abuse at everyone involved in the scene, including the crew. Fifteen minutes of Busey angrily ranting about how poo poo the movie is would be the only thing that could make it watchable. I loved Busey's insistence that Eric fire Tim from his own show and that Busey didn't remain cooperative long enough to take the various still poses required for the animation style, so they just put his face on Eric's body.
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Nice to see the 4th Doctor's regeneration getting some much needed high school zany hijinks experience between companions.
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I love when comics do movie homage covers. This mini-series came out a while ago, but I still dig these covers.     
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Yeah, that's what I immediately thought of.
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Cebulski/Moline/Strain really like John Hughes movies, huh
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SciFiDownBeat posted:Cebulski/Moline/Strain really like John Hughes movies, huh Yeah, I was about to ask, where's the other non-Hughes '80s teen movies like Tuff Turf...  ...or The Sure Thing...  ...or Better Off Dead 
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They loved the Scarface poster... WITH A VENGEANCE.       e: and since we're on the subject of homages. http://www.shortlist.com/entertainment/films/lookalike-movie-posters ruddiger fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Aug 2, 2016 |
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Detective No. 27 posted:DC did a similr movie variant month last year. While some of these are okay (and the Green Lantern one is cool,) the Sinestro one is kind of stupid.
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And then there was this one by Frank Quitely when he was working with Grant Morrison on Batman And Robin a few years ago. 
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muscles like this? posted:While some of these are okay (and the Green Lantern one is cool,) the Sinestro one is kind of stupid. It seems really low effort. Like they didn't even try to make it relevant.
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I think that's less "Home Alone" and more "I've never seen a dick this big but I'm a prostitute and completely have but that's not important".
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I've never seen this show but I'm gaga for Lizzie Caplan so I might search for it.
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Inzombiac posted:I've never seen this show but I'm gaga for Lizzie Caplan so I might search for it. She gets oggled by a gorilla, this is a plot point. A serious plot point.
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This show has been around for a few seasons now. How's it doing? Does it fall to the Showtime curse of every show of theirs turning to absolute crap after a couple of seasons? (I know Dexter had 4 excellent seasons, but after that...)
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kiimo posted:I think that's less "Home Alone" and more "I've never seen a dick this big but I'm a prostitute and completely have but that's not important".
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Nihonniboku posted:This show has been around for a few seasons now. How's it doing? Does it fall to the Showtime curse of every show of theirs turning to absolute crap after a couple of seasons? (I know Dexter had 4 excellent seasons, but after that...) Eh...it's uneven. The first season is genuinely excellent. It doesn't feel like Showtime tried to do anything particularly salacious with it after that, but it doesn't feel like it quite has enough story to keep going the way it has. However it does still have great peaks and some really good performances, but for me its never been as good as it was with S1.
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Distorted Kiwi posted:Poster Six-Pack: A Bunch of Stuff Edition That Incubus image is pretty great, and the director also did... 
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