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greatn posted:What Trump could do for the debates is pull a Mike gravel. E:f;b
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Charlz Guybon posted:Did his security detail really gently caress up the elevator? More people should microagress Trump, is what I'm saying.
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Radish posted:gently caress John McCain, he's a slimy poo poo. Whatever you say about him, coward isn't the word I'd use. The Vietnamese offered to send him home when they found out he was an admiral's son and he refused unless the rest of the men in the Hanoi Hilton could come with him. He endured two more years of torture for that.
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Aug 2, 2016 13:36
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Antti posted:Actually I'd call this pulling a Perot:
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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:From that cufflinks story, this is the best part: Damien Sandow was released by the company several months ago, and Vince will literally put aside grudges to make money. The only one of his major drawing cards made amends with was Savage, and that's probably because Randy unexpectedly died from a heart attack or molested a young Stephanie McMahon. He even got the Ultimate Warrior to come back to the company. ... then again Bob Backlund is currently "coaching" (screaming unintelligble rhetorical pablum at) an openly homosexual black wrestler to greatness under the slogan "MAKE DARREN YOUNG GREAT AGAIN". 
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Aug 2, 2016 13:43
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Charlz Guybon posted:Whatever you say about him, coward isn't the word I'd use. The Vietnamese offered to send him home when they found out he was an admiral's son and he refused unless the rest of the men in the Hanoi Hilton could come with him. He endured two more years of torture for that.
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https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/760448768349204481 Seems like a pretty moderate Rep (as far as these things go) and not running for re-election, but there's now a leak in the dam.
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MonkeyOnFire posted:https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/760448768349204481 All of his birds being dead was probably the final straw.
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Aug 2, 2016 13:48
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My dad's an ancient hippie and hasn't voted in an election since way before I was born (he went door to door for RFK, and was pretty disillusioned after he was killed). He despises Trump enough that he's registered to vote again just to vote against him. He lives in PA, so I'm really proud of him even if I've been bugging him about voting since long before I myself could vote. I honestly wish I was still registered in PA; I'm in Baltimore, and there's no way 99% of the people here aren't going Clinton. Even our Republican governor has said he'll probably do a write-in rather than vote Trump.
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Aug 2, 2016 13:53
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MonkeyOnFire posted:https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/760448768349204481 Looking him up, he's also one of the few Republican reps to refuse to sign Norquist's bullshit pledge.
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Aug 2, 2016 13:54
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Trump is bragging about raising 35 million this July. Romney raised 100 million in July 2012.
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Aug 2, 2016 13:57
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Trump is bragging about raising 35 million this July. Romney raised 100 million in July 2012. Romney should really get on calling him a poor.
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Aug 2, 2016 14:01
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Trump is bragging about raising 35 million this July. Romney raised 100 million in July 2012. I don't know why anyone even brings up campaign money in this election. It clearly didn't make a difference in the primary.
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Aug 2, 2016 14:02
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On Terra Firma posted:I don't know why anyone even brings up campaign money in this election. It clearly didn't make a difference in the primary.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Somewhere Jeb sighs He looks at the gun with his name engraved in it, wondering if today will be the day he works up the courage to finally end it all. But he knows it won't be. Maybe tomorrow...
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The primary and the general are really hard to compare. If the primary had been Jeb, Rubio, Cruz, and Trump and Jeb, Rubio, or Cruz swallowed their egos and bailed when it initially became clear they were not popular Trump probably would not have won. He was able to float amidst the chaos of that ridiculous primary where fourteen idiots fumbled around while he was able to throw out insults. The media was also enamored at the guy that wasn't playing by the rules and the rest of the candidates were a combination of too cowardly to stand up to Trump (Jeb shaking his hand after Trump insulted him and his wife was the last nail in his coffin) while also not wanting to hurt the GOP brand (something Trump gives zero fucks about) giving him free positive publicity. The media now doesn't seen to care what kind they give him now as long as it's a spectacle. There's no way this Khan stuff is helping him and even his idiot supporters realize this with their pathetic attempts to claim that family is anti-American.
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On Terra Firma posted:I don't know why anyone even brings up campaign money in this election. It clearly didn't make a difference in the primary. Because the general is not the primary. Trump bucked the trend there because of multiple causes. It was a very diluted race, with debates not even able to accommodate all challengers at once. Trump never won a majority of any state, only pluralities wherein more people voted for all of his opponents than him. The others, Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio, had thier knives pointed at each other as much as Trump, and he exploited that division with singularity of message and appealing to the GOP base in the most blatant way we have seen. Him vs Hillary is very different, and the nature of the electoral college means he HAS to bring new voters to his side. He HAS to convince people who right now, are not voting Trump. And he will not do that with media appearances and interviews on fox news. He got disproportionate media treatment for a primary, however in the general both candidates are front and center 24/7 until the election. Obama proved just how powerful a good ground game is, and how it can turn out votes. However, your point does stand, as little about this election has made any sense.
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Luna Was Here posted:Alright, I get the fact that it would be a cool precedent to set that anyone of any sort of gender background along the LGBT wheel can make it in politics in America, but do they really expect a Trans candidate to win in loving Utah?!?!?! No, nobody expects her to have any chance. She's - a trans woman - with no political experience - who is 30 years old - running for US Senate - as a first ever run - against an incumbent - in Utah. She was nominated because the other person running in the primary was a right-wing Democrat so if you're going to lose anyway, why not make a statement instead of just fizzling out?
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emdash posted:
Noteworthy also that Clinton seems to do fine to better without third parties which means that if they shrivel up as they usually do by election day she should be fine. Well she's fine if she's polling over 50 anyway, natch.
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Aug 2, 2016 14:12
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Stultus Maximus posted:No, nobody expects her to have any chance. She's And yet with all that, the latest polls show her closer (37-51) than the last Democrat who ran against Mike Lee(32-61). Of course she's still losing badly, and the gap can widen between now and November, but I think it's okay to be a little optimistic about he DOA run.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Because the general is not the primary. Trump bucked the trend there because of multiple causes. It was a very diluted race, with debates not even able to accommodate all challengers at once. Trump never won a majority of any state, only pluralities wherein more people voted for all of his opponents than him. The others, Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio, had thier knives pointed at each other as much as Trump, and he exploited that division with singularity of message and appealing to the GOP base in the most blatant way we have seen. If there's anything I hate this election season it's a bunch of idiots who got sideswiped by Trump winning the primary who are now breathlessly proclaiming that all the rules are dead and we've entered some new phase of American politics. Cokie Roberts was on NPR yesterday claiming that the Khan thing won't hurt him because Trump is immune to controversy and that we're all doomed. Trump broke a lot of brains.
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Litany Unheard posted:Cokie Roberts was on NPR yesterday claiming that the Khan thing won't hurt him because Trump is immune to controversy and that we're all doomed. Trump broke a lot of brains. Tbf, this is the first controversy that has even remotely lingered.
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Aug 2, 2016 14:27
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LeeMajors posted:Tbf, this is the first controversy that has even remotely lingered. The Mexican Judge thing lingered about as long and would've gone longer if he'd still poked that bear.
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Aug 2, 2016 14:30
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LeeMajors posted:Tbf, this is the first controversy that has even remotely lingered. in the primary, we all knew that his base bathed itself in the blood of democrats every day so these controversies are a good thing for him in the general, if you consider that polls don't matter until 2 weeks after the conventions, we don't actually have evidence that these controversies don't "stick"
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LeeMajors posted:Tbf, this is the first controversy that has even remotely lingered. Curiel. Both controversies involve racism and the victim is inviolable by norm.
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Aug 2, 2016 14:30
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The star of David thing didn't get resolved so much as another scandal happened.
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LeeMajors posted:Tbf, this is the first controversy that has even remotely lingered. Yeah but I would expect any political commentator to know that most of the country doesn't pay attention until after the conventions. We follow the daily news because we're weirdos. The folks in the bubble have forgotten there's a whole bunch of people outside the bubble who aren't comfortable with open racism and picking on the families of dead service members. Also Cokie Roberts is a big dumb.
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Aug 2, 2016 14:32
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Odds on Trump trying to say something outrageous to steal the spotlight from the Olympics?
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Nothing is ever resolved with Trump's scandals, it's just that something new happens. They still sit, untended, like an abcess on the rear end of his candiacy, waiting for somebody to shine a light on it. The entire primary, he was never really hit on calling McCain a coward or saying Mexicans were rapists. These things just kind of lingered but whoops, now they're back all over the place. I'm sure EVENTUALLY, Trump will stop scoring own goals long enough for it to be smart for HRC to sneak in with a new take on an old controversy for a new audience. Whenever that day comes expect a nostalgia tour
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iospace posted:Odds on Trump trying to say something outrageous to steal the spotlight from the Olympics? "Zika is caused by vaccines." -Trump a week from now, probably
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All these Stein and Johnson voters are probably mostly from safe red or safe blue states anyway, right?
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iospace posted:Odds on Trump trying to say something outrageous to steal the spotlight from the Olympics? The Olympics last for like two weeks. I don't think Trump is capable of going that long without saying something outrageous.
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There is absolutely no way that Johnson pulls more dissatisfied leftists (I'm guessing the vast majority of BoB Johnson voters are just assholes and never vote Democrat anyway) than Republicans pissed off at Trump. Stein doesn't even matter.
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greatn posted:All these Stein and Johnson voters are probably mostly from safe red or safe blue states anyway, right? idk about that but they will almost certainly wither away to 1-2% combined for election day
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iospace posted:Odds on Trump trying to say something outrageous to steal the spotlight from the Olympics? My money on some dogwhistle remark about our women's gymnastics team. He already hit the vets and firefighters, lets attack another American sacred cow.
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Looking back, it's pretty funny to think about Jeb's "lose the primary to win the general" thing. Trump's strategy was really the exact opposite. He won the primary so hard that I think he's still stuck there.
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greatn posted:All these Stein and Johnson voters are probably mostly from safe red or safe blue states anyway, right? Stein has less than half the support enjoyed by a dead gorilla, they aren't a threat anywhere. The Green party really only has infrastructure in deep blue states, and will destroy itself with ideological purges if it ever gets within a sniff of actual relevance. Johnson may pull votes in Utah, and maybe a few other states where Republican Jesus isn't the gold standard for excellence and morality, but I doubt he wins a state or anything, or swings one for Hillary.
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My gut feeling is that Bernie probably ended up siphoning people that would have normally voted Stein towards the Democrats which is why she's acting particularly manic and trying to get attention. I doubt that it will be a huge amount since Green party voters are statistically insignificant but I don't think they'll end up with more than they did in 2012.
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Pakled posted:The Olympics last for like two weeks. I don't think Trump is capable of going that long without saying something outrageous. He'll probably make some riff on the special Olympics
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