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Cythereal posted:Huh. I never used it, because I already had a shitload of good water types with ice moves so I saw Suicune's typing and tossed it in the computer. My Johto runs don't typically include a consistent water type that I like. I start with Cyndaquil. I like Poliwag, but I've never gone out of the way to pick him up. Especially since stones are a bitch (ruling out Vaporeon as well). Tentacool doesn't appeal to me. Krabby doesn't do much for me. I always just end up using the Red Gyarados. Which is a "Doh!" moment literally every time I realize I need a way to Cianwood, but it's a Red Gyarados. Suicune was a nice way out of that box since it isn't 4x weak to electric. EDIT: Update on the last page, did not intend at all to bump to the next one.
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SonicRulez posted:My Johto runs don't typically include a consistent water type that I like. I start with Cyndaquil. I like Poliwag, but I've never gone out of the way to pick him up. Especially since stones are a bitch (ruling out Vaporeon as well). Tentacool doesn't appeal to me. Krabby doesn't do much for me. I always just end up using the Red Gyarados. Which is a "Doh!" moment literally every time I realize I need a way to Cianwood, but it's a Red Gyarados. Suicune was a nice way out of that box since it isn't 4x weak to electric. Lapras is an easy pick-up and one of my consistent favorites throughout the series. Surf, ice beam, and the rest is gravy on a mountain of HP.
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Blaze Dragon posted:Yay, you got the bad Poli evo. How neat At least until BW where it becomes the best poli evo Blaze Dragon posted:Even generations are always awful with new Pokemon distribution. Gen 2 has several Pokemon locked in Kanto, far too late to matter (even moreso since this is Gen 2, the generation that hates the idea of you ever changing your team), Gen 4 outright puts some of its Pokemon outside its own Pokedex because gently caress you I guess (especially gently caress you if you wanted to use a Fire type), and Gen 6 talks about Mega Evolution all game long then locks nearly all of them in the postgame because you should be using Lucario or your starter, why do you want choices? This seems to be a problem in almost every generation though, at least for me; I see a new pokemon that I'd like to use but isn't available until way late in the game. Either it's located way late in in the game, in the middle of nowhere and/or at a very low level. Bagon in RSE, various pokemon from BW (especially larvesta) and noibat in XY. Mega evos were also pretty annoyingly distributed in XY. I believe only about a fourth of them were available before postgame, So if your team doesn't include your Kanto starter, Lucario, Gengar, Aerodactyl, Ampharos or Abomasnow, you're not using mega evolution for a long time(not mentioning Blaziken because it is event only).
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I mean Blaziken was technically event only but still every copy of the game gave it to you for free though. E: Also that one specifically was so god damned broken too I used Politoed in my SoulSilver playthrough, he was pretty good and held down the special sweeping water type role to balance out with my Feraligatr.
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SonicRulez posted:My Johto runs don't typically include a consistent water type that I like. I start with Cyndaquil. I like Poliwag, but I've never gone out of the way to pick him up. Especially since stones are a bitch (ruling out Vaporeon as well). Tentacool doesn't appeal to me. Krabby doesn't do much for me. I always just end up using the Red Gyarados. Which is a "Doh!" moment literally every time I realize I need a way to Cianwood, but it's a Red Gyarados. Suicune was a nice way out of that box since it isn't 4x weak to electric. I...you don't like Wooper? WOOPER IS LOVE.  I'm doing something kind of ridiculous in my current Heart Gold run. I decided to use Krabby, then realized it had garbage Special Attack, so I needed something that could make use of Surf. BUT I didn't want another water type on the team. So I looked at what else COULD learn Surf, and Nidoking and Nidoqueen can, and not only that but they have fairly good Sp.Att so right now rollin' with a Krabby and a Surfin' Nidoking. gotta leave Krabby unevolved until after it learns Crabhammer at level 41, though, but that isn't a problem because it has absurdly high attack and defense. wish its HP were better, though.
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Spatula City posted:I...you don't like Wooper? WOOPER IS LOVE. The list of weird pokemon who can learn surf. Nidoking/quen Furret Sneasel and Weavile Miltank Rhydon Aggron Lati@s Rayquaza Stoutland Beartic Hydreigon Diggersby Pangoro Slurpuff (Cotton Candy melts in water...) Heliolisk Avalugg (A goddamn Glacier.) Seriously, WHY DO SO MANY ODD POKEMON GET ACCESS TO SURF.
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Spatula City posted:I...you don't like Wooper? WOOPER IS LOVE. I decided to make a competitive Nidoking in X (just transferred over to AS yesterday actually), and was thinking he would be like a physical attacker/tank. Nope! Special sweeper stats and moves, I think he's rocking like Earth Power, Flamethrower, Sludgebomb, and something else I can't remember.
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Silegna posted:Seriously, WHY DO SO MANY ODD POKEMON GET ACCESS TO SURF. I don't know but it's a godsend for not having to double up on Water moves to have that and Waterfall to hand, so I'm not questioning it.
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Aug 2, 2016 20:37
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Silegna posted:Avalugg (A goddamn Glacier.) The rest of the list, however, is a bit of a stretch. Especially Rhydon and Aggron, who have a type weakness to water, no less. What the hell, GameFreak?
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Aug 2, 2016 20:47
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Surf on Stoutland to Doggie paddle to victory! 
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Aug 2, 2016 20:50
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AradoBalanga posted:Especially Rhydon and Aggron, who have a type weakness to water, no less. What the hell, GameFreak? Well, I mean, do you think they take damage from just drinking water? I think it is more that they are hurt by the effects of water attacks, like erosion due to the force of the water, or things like that, than just taking damage from simply touching water. However, that said, Aggron weighs 794 lbs. and has steel plating on him. Unless he is hollow on the inside, he should not be buoyant.
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Aug 2, 2016 20:54
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Silegna posted:The list of weird pokemon who can learn surf. Polar bears can swim and ice floats.
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Aug 2, 2016 21:20
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I could see the Latis and Rayquaza surfing.
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Aug 2, 2016 21:31
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Silegna posted:The list of weird pokemon who can learn surf. Bulbapedia posted:Its ability to learn Surf may be a reference to the common basilisk, a reptile capable of running on water for short distances
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Why is wonder trade so poo poo?
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Avalugg's design was also partly based on aircraft carriers, with its flat top design. Nidoking and Nidoqueen are based on rabbits, and there are rabbits that can swim so I guess that's the logic? Granted, Nidoqueen could also learn Bubblebeam back in Gen 1 so it might just be more of that nonsense. Blaze Dragon posted:Its ability to learn Surf may be a reference to the common basilisk, a reptile capable of running on water for short distances That brings such a wonderful mental image to mind. A Heliolisk lifting his trainer who is three times his size above his head and just hauling rear end across the water with that wide-eyed, open-mouthed look the basilisks have.
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mateo360 posted:Why is wonder trade so poo poo? People want good things for nothing. I got a Legendary off of there once, though. Can't remember what it was. Maybe Zygarde?
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Aug 2, 2016 22:52
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Wonder Trade is the best, and I will not hear such slander against it.
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Aug 2, 2016 22:56
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Wonder Trade is the only casino we need in Pokemon.
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Spatula City posted:I...you don't like Wooper? WOOPER IS LOVE. I've never even considered him. I just don't dig him. Surfin Nidoking generally makes my FireRed team. The Nidos can learn a bunch of ridiculous stuff. I'm pretty sure my endgame FireRed Nidoking is like Earthquake/Ice Beam/Surf/Thunderbolt or something like that.
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Silegna posted:Seriously, WHY DO SO MANY ODD POKEMON GET ACCESS TO SURF.  Also Bouffalant but they don't have a comic.
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Arcade Rabbit posted:Nidoking and Nidoqueen are based on rabbits, and there are rabbits that can swim so I guess that's the logic? Well. A president WAS attacked by a swimming rabbit once...
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Well the Surfchat got me wondering and behold! Swimming cows! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32KLIrgXsr4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-WZpnzHgqI I learned something new today.
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Arcade Rabbit posted:That brings such a wonderful mental image to mind. A Heliolisk lifting his trainer who is three times his size above his head and just hauling rear end across the water with that wide-eyed, open-mouthed look the basilisks have. That is one of the most beautiful mental images I've ever had. Thank you!
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Update 33: The Sliding Faff of the Ice Path Mahogany Town  Rejoice! We'll be heading to new areas in this update. But first, now that Team Rocket has left, what has become of their front?     It acts more or less like a normal Mart, which we have been missing since, like, Olivine. Good to stock up for the road ahead. Route 44 I wonder what brand new Pokemon and trainers we'll find?  Gah! That was quick.     Alright, good start. Psybeam (Saike Kōsen: Psyche-beam) is a Psychic move with 65BP, 20PP and 100% accuracy that has a 10% chance of confusing the target. It's an okay move, but there are better Psychic moves like, well, Psychic, that you'll replace it with.    "on your side."Churchill handled herself well as per usual, but I think she's missing something.   I had Bite for Granbull to use as a special move. Giving it Shadow Ball would've made it a wrecking ball early in the game. Now that the rest of our team has caught up power wise, I think it's fair to give Churchill her own boost to stay relevant.   Neat.   : I also battle until I drop. That's my relationship with my POKéMON.  So you gonna drop?   Wow, that's one hell of a record. Did you balance it on purpose?  Gah!   : Good trainers seek tough opponents instinctively.   HP: 75 | ATK: 80 | DEF: 85 | SP.ATK: 90 | SP.DEF: 100 | SPD: 50 | TOTAL: 480  #086: Bellossom  I've mentioned it so many times in various analysis, so let's talk about Solarbeam (Sōrā Bīmu), a Grass move with 120BP, 10PP and 100% accuracy that takes one turn to charge, then one turn to attack. While it's not the strongest Grass move overall, being barely beaten out by Petal Dance, it's still one of the most available, so it'll be the one you choose, most likely. It can be used immediately in the sun, but has half the power in the rain or in a sandstorm.   Thanks, mom. I'm sorry, gurl, you were saying? : We all get better by experiencing many battles. I battled a lot to become what I am today--an elite. Gah!  "looking at you." : I'm good at POKéMON, and I can see that you are too.    : No wonder you're so tough. I wonder if ECRUTEAK GYM's MORTY is still in training? He really hammered me.  While we've reached the end of the route already, it's basically a large circle, so there's still a bit more to explore.  "rare POKéMON!"   HP: 80 | ATK: 85 | DEF: 95 | SP.ATK: 30 | SP.DEF: 30 | SPD: 25 | TOTAL: 345  #206: Rhyhorn    : What? You mean that's not true?  Beat you in a battle? Yeah, I take no prisoners.   I already have.  "It was huge.": I swear it must've been 16 feet tall! Eh, our battle was fun. I'd say... When I'm fishing, I sometimes snag items that people have dropped. Do you want them? What's the number?Sure, wynaut? Wilton doesn't do anything much in Crystal, but in Gold and Silver he calls up when Remoraid swarms.   "to let you know."Alright, that's all the trainers, so on to the center of the route.   Deelish.   We can finally catch Lickitung here. Much more preferable to the second to last Pokemon we ever catch.   Still not all that great, unfortunately.   Tangela is the second of three Pokemon that we can actually use the Fast Ball on. So, uh, might as well use it.    Interesting that these two new Pokemon we can catch here can evolve in Gen 4.  And of course...   We've got every GS exclusive Pokemon, as well as all the Gen 1 exclusive Pokemon. So we should be good to catch the remaining... 100 Pokemon? Oh geez.   Imma cannon you. Later.   "POKéMON?"I may have heard of them once or twice.     Neat.    : I heard there are other legendary birds, though. You know, you are really strong. But I don't want to just slink off... I know! Could I get your number? Let's meet up for more battles!I literally cannot say no.   "challenge you!"Uh, sure.   We're not done with this update just yet, so let's head into the Ice Path. Ice Path The Ice Path looks real fuckin snazzy in comparison to Gold and Silver. It's more or less the same, layout wise, so those ice puzzles ingrained in your memory still work just fine.   Unfortunately, there's not a huge amount to this cave aside from lots of items and lots of ice.   Wheeeeeeeeee   You already know how I solved these ice puzzles, right? Like, who doesn't?   Here's a random HM. Don't miss it! Waterfall (Taki Nobori: Waterfall Climb) is a Water move with 80BP, 15PP and 100% accuracy. It's a good move, but it doesn't match up to Surf until it becomes physical. So use it when you have to.   New area means we can catch a lot of new Pokemon here. Finally I can get my pig son.     Now we switch to night to find...   HP: 45 | ATK: 55 | DEF: 45 | SP.ATK: 65 | SP.DEF: 45 | SPD: 75 | TOTAL: 330  #190: Delibird Uh...?  OH JESUS!  ...oh okay. Never mind then. Present (Purezento) is a Normal move with a varying BP, 15PP and 90% accuracy. The move has a chance to either damage with an attack, or heal the target for 80HP. It has a 40% chance to be a 40BP move, a 30% chance to be an 80BP move and a 10% chance to be a 120BP move. Then a 20% chance to heal. Overall, it's a pretty bad move for a pretty bad Pokemon.    I look forward to using this on my te-ahahahahaha.   Now we're switching from ice puzzles to Strength puzzles. Oh how wonderful! (sarcasm)  I don't know how many times I've done this puzzle. I could do this with my eyes closed. I'm not gonna. But I could.    They're four mini-puzzles that do require you to think for a few moments. I like them. Sometimes, Strength puzzles are fun.   That's two down.   And that's the last two. Easy enough.   The next floor is a large ice room, which we can completely traverse now that all the boulders are here.   I think we're past the point where we need to sell these stat boosts, so time to drug up my monsters!   Another item.    Not much else to this room, so let's move onwards.  It's been a while since we last saw a smashable rock. They don't give us anything new though.  The Nevermeltice boosts Ice moves by 10%. I'll maybe give this to Jeremiah? I dunno.  This is the only change between GS and Crystal, where before there were a load of rocks, there is now a raised section with a ledge. I mean, okay? Doesn't really change anything.   On this bottom floor are a couple more Pokemon we can find. They could've been found on the higher floors, but here is there highest encounter at 10%. Powder Snow (Konayuki) is an okay Ice move with 40BP, 25PP and 100% accuracy and a 9.8% chance to freeze the target. Aside from the weird chance to freeze, this move is an alright stop gap before you find better Ice moves. Like Ice Punch.    Once we hatch the starter eggs we can get ourselves a Smoochum. Neat!  This is an interesting change. In GS, you could only catch Sneasel at the very last location in the game, limiting its usefulness. Now its location draws on its Ice type instead of its Dark type.   Now we head back up, but through different, slightly smaller, rooms.   Alright, now we can pull off the RestTalk combo. If we were crazy.   Moving on.   There's really not much to these ice "puzzles", so we'll be out of this cave pretty soon.   And now we're back where we started, but on the other side, near the exit.   Strong doggy woggy.   Lot of nice items in this place, but there we go. We have reached our destination. Blackthorn City "PATH?": You must be a real hotshot trainer! That I am. We have a new location to explore with plenty to do... NEXT TIME!
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GameFreak must really hate birds, because there are so many of them that are exceptionally mediocre.
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I gave most pokemon a shot, at least in the first couple generations, but one I never touched was Exeggcute and it's evolution because holy poo poo those weaknesses.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:GameFreak must really hate birds, because there are so many of them that are exceptionally mediocre. Not near as much as they hate ice.
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:I gave most pokemon a shot, at least in the first couple generations, but one I never touched was Exeggcute and it's evolution because holy poo poo those weaknesses. if you pick up Sun and Moon, consider that Exeggutor is now this
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Carlosologist posted:if you pick up Sun and Moon, consider that Exeggutor is now this I'm now considering using Exeggcute for the first time because of this. In general Alolan Forms will probably get me to use a few mons I've never used before, which might be the point? gonna get dat Ice Ninetales.
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Carlosologist posted:if you pick up Sun and Moon, consider that Exeggutor is now this Lance better use one of these next time we fight him.
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Carlosologist posted:if you pick up Sun and Moon, consider that Exeggutor is now this 
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Carlosologist posted:if you pick up Sun and Moon, consider that Exeggutor is now this People say it (kinda) resembles a dragonfruit palm? I dunno, I always liked Exeggutor and I hope that Alolan Exeggutor is actually worth using. EDIT: Quoted wrong comment, oops.
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Imma use six Exeggutor in my Moon LP.
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AradoBalanga posted:I'm still trying to understand how a longer neck causes a type change from psychic to dragon. FriskyBoat posted:People say it (kinda) resembles a dragonfruit palm? I dunno, I always liked Exeggutor and I hope that Alolan Exeggutor is actually worth using. I've heard that it's a pun on the scentific name of some type of palm tree
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I did NOT know you could catch Sneasel that early. Too bad it's typing is bad for it, being a physical attacking with two Special STABs in Gen 2-3.
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FriskyBoat posted:People say it (kinda) resembles a dragonfruit palm? I dunno, I always liked Exeggutor and I hope that Alolan Exeggutor is actually worth using. The Ayshkerbundy posted:I've heard that it's a pun on the scentific name of some type of palm tree
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AradoBalanga posted:That's a bit of stretch (pun not intended), but it's not the first time the series has done things like "kind of resembles" before, I guess. Alolan Exeggutor is actually canon. Earlier pokedex entries say when exposed to tropical sun, it's heads would grow.
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