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I'd chip in 100 bucks if anyone could get "Yakety Sax" played over the PA at a Trump Rally. It really should be his official campaign song.
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A lot of veterans I know are either being silent about the Khan thing or grumbling about it. A few have outright switched to third party. My dad told me he's voting democrat for the first time in his life. He'll still vote R on down ticket though. Trump is doing more for democrats than they ever could. He's making America great again by uniting everyone against him.
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Pellisworth posted:Most of Trump's supporters would have voted for the Republican candidate regardless, but I think it's extremely likely Trump would've run as an independent if he'd been ratfucked out of the nomination and it'd be even more of a mess for the GOP. I'm guessing turnout amongst those people would have been depressed. Even though there's evil Crooked Hillary to vote against still, I don't think that's as much of a driving factor for them as the existence of Donald "make not being white illegal" Trump
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https://twitter.com/hannahfc/status/760950919466856449 I bet.
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Lemming posted:I'm guessing turnout amongst those people would have been depressed. Even though there's evil Crooked Hillary to vote against still, I don't think that's as much of a driving factor for them as the existence of Donald "make not being white illegal" Trump Can you imagine the electoral carnage if this were a four-way race between Clinton, Cruz/Kasich, Trump as an independent, and Gary Johnson?
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Aug 3, 2016 23:24
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Harrow posted:My own (not particularly well-reasoned) take is that Trump will use accusations of voter fraud and a "rigged" election as an explanation for why he, a certified winner, lost the election (assuming the apocalypse doesn't come and he doesn't somehow win). Inciting violence or civil war doesn't seem to be his MO. That's not to say that his supporters won't do that all on their own (and that he won't just maybe wink and nod in their direction), but he won't actively incite it. The belief that the only way you can lose is if the opposition cheats is a good way for him to maintain his self-image as a winner while still losing. He literally called for a revolution in 2012  Best part: He thought Romney received more popular votes because he didn't realize California was not counted yet.
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Visceral Realism posted:What made the 90s so bad wasn't necessarily that there was a huge militia movement, but that a core developed that was committed to violence. I don't know if Clinton's election will be enough to get that going again- my impression is that what radicalized a lot of those violent militia members was the cycle of violence where Waco and Ruby Ridge proved to these folks that the NWO was in fact out to get them, leading to an uptick in threatening activity, leading to more federal attention, etc until OKC. I was worried about this after Oregon, but when I was last in Southern Utah most of what I heard about the Bundy's was fundraisers for their legal battles, not organizing for retaliation. I wonder if Islamic terrorism ruined the terrorism brand for white Americans.
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Pellisworth posted:Can you imagine the electoral carnage if this were a four-way race between Clinton, Cruz/Kasich, Trump as an independent, and Gary Johnson?
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Aug 3, 2016 23:26
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sean10mm posted:USPOL August: The Vindication of Prester Jane by the Narcissist Donald Trump I'm still reading through the thread, but how is this not the title yet?
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Aug 3, 2016 23:28
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Lemming posted:The problem is that all the people who are psychopaths for Trump would have hated those people. Like, Trump isn't some black swan event, the circumstances that stumped all the other random suits in the primary is what's making Trump so successful in the first place. You can't just remove him and pretend everything would still be normal. I get that Trump supporters would have hated a Kasich or a Rubio. But given a choice between Hillary and Kasich, would the angry middle aged white guy pull the lever for devil incarnate, or white pasty guy who just wants to enjoy your local cuisine? A lot of tea partiers would have held their nose and voted Kasich, even if he wasn't pure enough. And Kasich would give his endorsements to Ryan and McCain, and the entire party would rally around him no problem.
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Aug 3, 2016 23:29
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seiferguy posted:I get that Trump supporters would have hated a Kasich or a Rubio. But given a choice between Hillary and Kasich, would the angry middle aged white guy pull the lever for devil incarnate, or white pasty guy who just wants to enjoy your local cuisine? A lot of tea partiers would have held their nose and voted Kasich, even if he wasn't pure enough. And Kasich would give his endorsements to Ryan and McCain, and the entire party would rally around him no problem. I think that Trump is the culmination of the hatred for the establishment that's been fomented in the Republican party and not as much of an instigator of it. Obviously I can't super back this up, but see how well the Zodiac Killer did despite being the person the establishment hated the second most. Kasich is still too much of a suit and also some random fuckoff idiot who didn't really have a chance anyway. It would've been between Rubio and the Zodiac Killer I think, and I don't think Rubio ultimately had really much of a chance.
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If it wasn't Trump then Hillary would be able to talk about some degree of policy which she's actually decent at.
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MrBuddyLee posted:I'd chip in 100 bucks if anyone could get "Yakety Sax" played over the PA at a Trump Rally. It really should be his official campaign song. One of the streams of the Republican primary debates played Yakety Sax as filler during an ad break. It was magical. I can't believe it's only been a year since the Escalator.
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Aug 3, 2016 23:34
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Yes... yes.
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Aug 3, 2016 23:41
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Periodiko posted:I wonder if Islamic terrorism ruined the terrorism brand for white Americans. Seriously, maybe. The other thing is that the biggest brand I see growing in terms of far right organizations is Oathkeepers. They're pieces of poo poo, but primarily current/ex-LEO's and veterans, so it's possible that unless the situation dramatically escalates they'll limit themselves to 'defensive' actions like the Bundy stuff and their poo poo in Ferguson and not outright terrorism.
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Aug 3, 2016 23:43
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Lotka Volterra posted:Yes... yes. We're gonna see some serious poo poo...
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Lotka Volterra posted:Yes... yes. I can almost believe GA, but AZ is in play too? You're making GBS threads me.
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Aug 3, 2016 23:47
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Lotka Volterra posted:Yes... yes. That's 347 - 191 EVs, by the way, if you just gave all the blue states to HRC.
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Aug 3, 2016 23:47
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So would we say Clinton's still riding the post-convention bump and we should expect that to drop a bit in the near future? Just trying to head off any Arzying at the pass.
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Aug 3, 2016 23:49
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So when Trump said, "This is great" re 9/11, was it in a, "Knew this would happen!" way or a "Get a load of the amateurs in DC" way, or an even crazier context?
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Aug 3, 2016 23:49
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Riosan posted:I can almost believe GA, but AZ is in play too? You're making GBS threads me. AZ Maybe? I dunno
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Aug 3, 2016 23:50
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Lockback posted:http://mashable.com/2012/11/06/trump-reacts-to-election/#vOW9SuRR8iqn And let's not forget he encouraged violence against (mainly black) protesters by offering to pay legal fees of anyone who attacked them. Remember when people were getting the poo poo kicked out of them at Trump rallies every other day? He was totally cool with it. I have no problem believing he'd call for violence. I don't know how many people would actually do anything though. I will say that a black woman surrounded by hicks, I am a little worried. Koalas March fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Aug 3, 2016 |
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Harrow posted:So would we say Clinton's still riding the post-convention bump and we should expect that to drop a bit in the near future? Just trying to head off any Arzying at the pass. She's riding the "her opponent keeps making GBS threads on stage and rolling in it" bump
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Aug 3, 2016 23:51
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Harrow posted:So would we say Clinton's still riding the post-convention bump and we should expect that to drop a bit in the near future? Just trying to head off any Arzying at the pass. Partially a bounce, partially Trump loving up tremendously, and also likely a normalization back to June numbers. We'll know in another week, I guess.
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Harrow posted:So would we say Clinton's still riding the post-convention bump and we should expect that to drop a bit in the near future? Just trying to head off any Arzying at the pass. These polls were taken after the convention but before/during Trumps ongoing meltdown. The polls might get even worse for him going forward.
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Clinton will probably drop a bit once Trump stops making GBS threads the bed daily. It would be entirely implausible for her lead to remain this large all the way to election day if just because even Trump is unlikely to make mistakes 24/7.
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Nessus posted:I think Clinton would still win but I'd be concerned that it would be enough of a clusterfuck to land in the House, who would hand it to Kasich to keep out Crooked Killary Clihitler. FPTP means a huge Hilary landslide in that scenario, unless you think an Independent Trump *wouldn't* have horribly split the right-wing vote?
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Riosan posted:I can almost believe GA, but AZ is in play too? You're making GBS threads me. Would anyone be interested in an AZ thread, here or in YCS?
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ImpAtom posted:Clinton will probably drop a bit once Trump stops making GBS threads the bed daily. It would be entirely implausible for her lead to remain this large all the way to election day if just because even Trump is unlikely to make mistakes 24/7. Stops?
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So I have a dumb question that I can't find an answer to by googling: Who/What is it that controls whether people participate in the debates or not? Is it like a law or something? Or if Trump decides to not show up to the Debates are they gonna be like "Hey Johnson, wanna come on down?"
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ImpAtom posted:Clinton will probably drop a bit once Trump stops making GBS threads the bed daily. It would be entirely implausible for her lead to remain this large all the way to election day if just because even Trump is unlikely to make mistakes 24/7. Trump says that's a challenge.
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ImpAtom posted:Clinton will probably drop a bit once Trump stops making GBS threads the bed daily. It would be entirely implausible for her lead to remain this large all the way to election day if just because even Trump is unlikely to make mistakes 24/7. Yes he can!
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ImpAtom posted:Clinton will probably drop a bit once Trump stops making GBS threads the bed daily. It would be entirely implausible for her lead to remain this large all the way to election day if just because even Trump is unlikely to make mistakes 24/7. I guess that depends on how permanent the damage of this week's Trumplosion actually is. It's looking pretty terminal to me. (lol nothing matters etc etc)
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ImpAtom posted:once Trump stops making GBS threads the bed daily. A bold assumption.
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Luna Was Here posted:So I have a dumb question that I can't find an answer to by googling: Who/What is it that controls whether people participate in the debates or not? Is it like a law or something? Or if Trump decides to not show up to the Debates are they gonna be like "Hey Johnson, wanna come on down?" There is a private committee that runs the debates, picks moderators, negotiates locations and so on. They have complete control over who's in the "official" debates, and could indeed decide that they'll let a third party candidate in, or even just let Hillary speak the whole time slot on her own.
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ImpAtom posted:Clinton will probably drop a bit once Trump stops making GBS threads the bed daily. It would be entirely implausible for her lead to remain this large all the way to election day if just because even Trump is unlikely to make mistakes 24/7. No. If Trump's mistakes were video games, this election would be a year long Steam Summer Sale, where every single day you log in and are like "Fallout 4 for $1.33! Sure! Plus the DLC for $0.67." Every single day, over and over again since last year. And you don't ever really get a chance to finish any games because you keep buying more. If he stops loving up, we're gonna look at the backlog and find one or two of the best games and do an elder scrolls style binge.
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Luna Was Here posted:So I have a dumb question that I can't find an answer to by googling: Who/What is it that controls whether people participate in the debates or not? Is it like a law or something? Or if Trump decides to not show up to the Debates are they gonna be like "Hey Johnson, wanna come on down?"
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Luna Was Here posted:So I have a dumb question that I can't find an answer to by googling: Who/What is it that controls whether people participate in the debates or not? Is it like a law or something? Or if Trump decides to not show up to the Debates are they gonna be like "Hey Johnson, wanna come on down?" Fishmech gave a bit more detail but it's these guys. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_on_Presidential_Debates The parties jointly run it. E: phone posting so slow. But fwiw it's a 15% threshold I believe for any candidate to participate
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ImpAtom posted:Clinton will probably drop a bit once Trump stops making GBS threads the bed daily. It would be entirely implausible for her lead to remain this large all the way to election day if just because even Trump is unlikely to make mistakes 24/7. Even if he cut his mistake diet down to 2-3 a week, he'd still be making enough that no one would stop talking about how much of a buffoon he is. All HRC has to do is literally sit back and watch. e: lest we forget 
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A Man With A Plan posted:Fishmech gave a bit more detail but it's these guys. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_on_Presidential_Debates The 15% threshold can be changed at any time mind you, should they feel like they want to change it.
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