USPOL August: Quoth The Donald, "Arzy more."

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Lightning Knight: Feb 24, 2012; Pray for Answer

Josef bugman posted:

Being from your country is a source of pride? Not meaning that as a joke, I just do not have any idea of why people would feel that way. I mean I always thought it was just, you know, something for people who wanted to appeal to the centre right.

Wow. I mean I cannot imagine that and with all the best will in the world that is really outside of anything I would consider usual. I mean sure, whatever floats your boat but that is really different.

I was mostly being silly, you're taking all this way too seriously.

Every American is repeatedly hammered on the truthfulness and righteousness of American exceptionalism their whole life. We're just trying to channel that into positive patriotism, not racist nationalism.

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Epic High Five: Jun 5, 2004

nachos posted:

So trump is actively being advised by lewandowski who is also being paid by CNN

Luckily they avoided any bias by cutting Donna Brazile loose because she took an interim position managing the DNC for less than a week

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Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

nachos posted:

So trump is actively being advised by lewandowski who is also being paid by CNN

CNN turned on him hard today though so I wonder what kind of background drama we're missing.

It's probably super petty.

# ? Aug 4, 2016 01:36

Epic High Five: Jun 5, 2004

Realtalk tho - CNN's usual stable of conservatives all loathe Trump and won't boost him on air, so they have to import people. As you can imagine, it's not a flush market. It's basically just Jeff Lord (who will quit in tears one of these days with how well his appearances usually go) and that one Kayleignyn or whatever woman. I swear her name isn't THAT crazy but it exists in some kind of halo zone where my brain is just unable to commit it to memory

# ? Aug 4, 2016 01:39

Luna Was Here: Mar 21, 2013; Lipstick Apathy

If you don't have pride in your country then I dunno move or something I guess? Maybe don't talk about the politics for said country in said country's politics thread? I dunno, every time I hear someone talking about how people taking pride in their country or like wearing the country's flag on a shirt is stupid or pointless just seems like you're being pessimistic for no reason. Like have you ever been to a group outing of like 100+ people? Sometimes being loud as gently caress about who you are can be fun

# ? Aug 4, 2016 01:39

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Epic High Five posted:

Luckily they avoided any bias by cutting Donna Brazile loose because she took an interim position managing the DNC for less than a week

Fairness and balance requires extensively sucking up to republicans, as foretold in St. Reagan's epistles to the Virginians

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Violator: May 15, 2003

Did trump keep an actual people heart? Or was it fake? I saw him pocket something after bringing the guy on stage but I can't believe her actually kept it.

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Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

Still, the reasons behind Trump's sudden unhinged insanity are starting to show.

A Theory: Trump looks at the DNC's success, and thinks "What is wrong with my campaign?"

Because he is a narcissist, the answer cannot possibly be him. So the blame passes down to the nearest person who he doesn't consider his property: hello Manafort.

But he can't flip out at Manafort without offending his BFF Putin, so it's time for Donald to pull this ship together and get America on his side with ~the art of the deal~

Unfortunately, this strategy relies on him being as smart and charismatic as he thinks he is.

# ? Aug 4, 2016 01:40

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Lightning Knight posted:

I was mostly being silly, you're taking all this way too seriously.

Every American is repeatedly hammered on the truthfulness and righteousness of American exceptionalism their whole life. We're just trying to channel that into positive patriotism, not racist nationalism.

Oh, sorry! I hope there is a positive out of this. It always makes me a bit uneasy.

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ShutteredIn: Mar 24, 2005; El Campeon Mundial del Acordeon

Violator posted:

Did trump keep an actual people heart?

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rscott: Dec 10, 2009

Luna Was Here posted:

If you don't have pride in your country then I dunno move or something I guess? Maybe don't talk about the politics for said country in said country's politics thread? I dunno, every time I hear someone talking about how people taking pride in their country or like wearing the country's flag on a shirt is stupid or pointless just seems like you're being pessimistic for no reason. Like have you ever been to a group outing of like 100+ people? Sometimes being loud as gently caress about who you are can be fun

Didn't you like wander into D&D with a bunch of dumb opinions like a week ago, maybe you shouldn't be telling people to :frogout:

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Mel Mudkiper posted:

Remember when we thought McCain bringing Palin into the public spotlight would be the most absurd politics would ever get?

Every time I look back at his presidential run, I thought to myself "is there any way McCain could have won?" Because Obama had him beat in every way - campaign funding, charisma, not being the same party as Bush, etc etc. I think Sarah Palin was his only choice, really. I mean, he could have picked Lieberman, but that would have angered his base with Lieberman being pro-choice.

I guess it came down to "Should McCain lose with dignity or in a blaze of glory?" and he picked the latter with Palin.

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Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

Trump, in the midst of suspicions of strong Russian ties with his campaign, is currently going in on the UN and NATO because of course he loving is.

(i like how "Trump does the stupidest, most idiotic thing imaginable" is becoming white noise pretty quickly)

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Seeric: Aug 18, 2011

I really like how Trump speeches seem to be fairly run of the mill until they suddenly meander off into crazy town. I'm not sure as to how long it was going on before I tuned in, but the first five minutes I heard were about guns and religion and now it's been at least 10 minutes straight of him talking about how bad NATO is, briefly alluding to the UN also needing work along the way.

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Epic High Five: Jun 5, 2004

Yinlock posted:

Trump, in the midst of suspicions of strong Russian ties with his campaign, is currently going in on the UN and NATO because of course he loving is.

(i like how "Trump does the stupidest, most idiotic thing imaginable" is becoming white noise pretty quickly)

Trump's Razor has been a thing for awhile now, but it has really ratcheted up to "may probably appear in academic papers and become a thing" since the DNC ended

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Huzanko: Aug 4, 2015; by FactsAreUseless

Luna Was Here posted:

If you don't have pride in your country then I dunno move or something I guess? Maybe don't talk about the politics for said country in said country's politics thread? I dunno, every time I hear someone talking about how people taking pride in their country or like wearing the country's flag on a shirt is stupid or pointless just seems like you're being pessimistic for no reason. Like have you ever been to a group outing of like 100+ people? Sometimes being loud as gently caress about who you are can be fun

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FuzzySlippers: Feb 6, 2009

The first few minutes are the messaging from the advisers but that's about the limit of his attention span and then its off into mania.

His rnc speech was probably his most coherent and on message. Maybe they stuffed him full of adderall before it?

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Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

Seeric posted:

I really like how Trump speeches seem to be fairly run of the mill until they suddenly meander off into crazy town. I'm not sure as to how long it was going on before I tuned in, but the first five minutes I heard were about guns and religion and now it's been at least 10 minutes straight of him talking about how bad NATO is, briefly alluding to the UN also needing work along the way.

I think along with his other problems he has legit severe ADHD, because he reminds me of me trying to hold a conversation unmedicated.

"Yeah you're right, I think the windows could do with a wash anWAS THAT A BIRD, WHAT'S THAT BIRD DOING, WHAT KIND OF BIRD IS IT, LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT BIRDS."

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# ? Aug 4, 2016 01:52

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

In this speech alone he has drifted off thinking about loving cereal twice.

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Bel Shazar: Sep 14, 2012

Josef bugman posted:

Oh, sorry! I hope there is a positive out of this. It always makes me a bit uneasy.

There isn't. It represents a constant overinflation of our self-worth and the mistaken belief that we're some type of amazing place leaps and bounds beyond all of those other countries around the world. It lets us avoid acknowledging that we are a crass and craven society that needs a giant amount of help or a very firm slap in the face.

# ? Aug 4, 2016 01:54

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Yinlock posted:

In this speech alone he has drifted off thinking about loving cereal twice.

Trump campaign saved when plucky staffer hands him a Snickers.

# ? Aug 4, 2016 01:54

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Yinlock posted:

so Trump's blaming Manafort for his own failings and going completely off the leash, because of course Trump knows better.

I like how everyone instantly knew the moment that Trump took his twitter account back from Manafort a few days ago.

I'll bet Manafort really actually was begging Trump to stop tweeting insanity after the DNC.

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Space Poodle: Nov 11, 2007

Yinlock posted:

In this speech alone he has drifted off thinking about loving cereal twice.

Someone skipped breakfast.

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smg77: Apr 27, 2007

FuzzySlippers posted:

The first few minutes are the messaging from the advisers but that's about the limit of his attention span and then its off into mania.

His rnc speech was probably his most coherent and on message. Maybe they stuffed him full of adderall before it?

Reporters are starting to time just how long he stays on message at each appearance:

https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/760997611885195268

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Luna Was Here posted:

If you don't have pride in your country then I dunno move or something I guess? Maybe don't talk about the politics for said country in said country's politics thread? I dunno, every time I hear someone talking about how people taking pride in their country or like wearing the country's flag on a shirt is stupid or pointless just seems like you're being pessimistic for no reason. Like have you ever been to a group outing of like 100+ people? Sometimes being loud as gently caress about who you are can be fun

Nobody said it wasn't fun. NSDAP rallies were no doubt super fun.

# ? Aug 4, 2016 01:56

Triskelli: Sep 27, 2011; I AM A SKELETON
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Josef bugman posted:

Oh, sorry! I hope there is a positive out of this. It always makes me a bit uneasy.

Nah, it's fine to talk about it because America does go overboard with the patriotism. Not long ago I saw a discussion where people expressed surprise at the Pledge of Allegiance (and my own surprise at the fact Texas has its own second Pledge to Texas).

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Lemming: Apr 21, 2008

seiferguy posted:

http://donaldmaroney.tumblr.com/

Lol

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FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

Now do one with Jack Donaghy quotes over Mitt Romney.

# ? Aug 4, 2016 02:03

axeil: Feb 14, 2006

Here's Prester Jane's post. Can we put it in the OP?

Prester Jane posted:

Note: Posted this in the USPOL thread but crossposting it here as well.

I have received several messages from Goons asking about my opinion Re: how Trump will handle the pressure of a real General election. I have (with permission) reprinted one of those messages here so that I can properly address the subject.

To explain my analysis of what the impending Trump meltdown will look like (I am quite certain we are going to witness the rare instance of a narcissist dropping their mask and revealing their true ugliness, and I think we are going to witness it on live TV) I will first need to elaborate a bit on my perception of who Trump is and how his conflict with Hillary will play out.

As mentioned in earlier posts, Trump is a clinical narcissist. While many people understand that this means �a very selfish individual� I would like to explain that clinical Narcissism is a bit more complicated than that.

narcissist�s have at a deep psychological level a fundamental disconnect between reality and themselves. Specifically, they are completely unable to perceive themselves. narcissists have no self image, and no concept of a self image. They have no self awareness whatsoever. They are literally unable to think of themselves in the first person as you and I understand it. Their experience of reality is wholly different from our experience of reality as a result. They cannot perceive themselves or acquire information about themselves in any way except in the reactions of people around them. narcissists are often portrayed as obsessively staring into a mirror, and this is honestly a somewhat inaccurate way of portraying them in my view. narcissists are indeed staring intently into a mirror, but that mirror is the faces of the people around them. narcissists are like vampires in that they have no reflection in the mirror, they cannot see themselves. To think of it another way- the only surface that reflects a narcissists image is the faces of other people. And so they stare intently into the faces of others in order to see themselves.

If a narcissist is unable to see themselves they experience an unending sense of dread, a terror that they are artificial, not real. To relieve this sense of dread a narcissist is strongly compelled to force those around them to acknowledge them in some way, to react to them. (The stronger the reaction, the better, which is in large part what can compel the narcissist to such extremes of behavior) Watching people react to the narcissist provides them with relief to the immense and indescribable sense of dread the narcissist feels from being unable to think of themselves in a normal first person fashion. Not ONLY does this provide relief, but it can potentially also provide a massive rush of all the natural feel good drugs the human brain can produce. The sensation gained from these natural feel good chemicals being pumped through the narcissist�s body is what is called narcissistic Supply. (Hereafter referred to simply as �Supply�.)

All narcissists have a delusional and exaggerated false image of themselves that they cherish internally. While a narcissist is compelled to get a reaction (any reaction will do) from those around them in order to avoid the sense of dread that is the narcissist� default mode, if the narcissist is able to generate a reaction in others that is consistent with the delusional self image the narcissist carries internally, then the narcissist not only finds relief from their identity crises, but they experience a powerful drug-like euphoria. This euphoric feeling is intensely energizing, the narcissist feels like an invincible Godbeing that can change the entire world according to their personal whim. narcissists are ADDICTS to this sensation first and foremost, and the behavior of a narcissist is best understood as that of an addict. The worst kind of addict at that- the kind of addict that has completely lost themselves to their drug. A narcissist is like an empty shell-human running on autopilot, a complicated meat calculator that exists only to experience pleasure (which can only be experienced while under the effects of Supply) and devotes itself exclusively to that goal. There is nothing else to the world of the narcissist except obtaining Supply, or if Supply is not available, then the narcissist will be instantly overcome by the horrendous sense of dread that is their true existence and will do whatever it takes to force a reaction from those around them in order to find relief from this dread.

To understand the behavior of a narcissist then it is important to recognize that what reactions generate Supply vary considerably from narcissist to narcissist. Think of it like this, a narcissist cannot see themselves except by using the faces of others as a mirror. If a narcissist does not have a mirror handy, they experience a tremendous sense of dread, so they will find a mirror (face of another) to stare into and they will do whatever it takes in order to get that mirror�s attention. The reflection the Narcissist sees in the mirror is a reflection of the behavior of the narcissist, and the reflection changes as a result. There is a specific reflection that the narcissist wishes to see, a specific way of seeing themselves reflected in others- the delusional false image that the narcissist carries of themselves. If they can see this particular image of themselves, then they experience the powerful euphoria of Supply. The idea here then is while any mirror and any reflection of themselves will do in order to avoid the sense of dread, seeing the deified version of themselves reflected in the faces of others is what the narcissist is truly seeking- it is their drug.

Supply then can be thought of as a potent and astonishingly addictive drug, a drug that generates a sensation of Godlike invulnerability and confidence, but more importantly for our discussion Supply is a drug where withdrawal symptoms set in instantly. That is to say, the very moment the rush of Supply is denied a narcissist, they instantly feel the full weight of the existential dread that is their true existence. They will seek more Supply immediately, and if unable to obtain Supply then they will resort to staving off the dread by generating a reaction in those around them. Think of a narcissist this way: They are a heroin addict that is addicted to a unique kind of heroin. This kind of heroin sets in instantly, and obtains its full euphoric peak instantly. This kind of Heroin has no overdose risk, the higher the dose the greater the pleasure, so cook the biggest dose you can afford every time. The drawback is that as soon as the dose wears off, the full power of opiate withdrawal sets in instantly. So those addicted to this specific kind of heroin go from experiencing the immense euphoria of a heroin high to experiencing the hellish depths of heroin withdrawal in the space of a single heartbeat. Also in the case of our special kind of heroin here, if an addict is experiencing withdrawal they can at least find relief from the withdrawal by abusing another opiate. It won�t get them high, but it will at least allow them to function.
One final unique quality to this special heroin is something I will call �peak tolerance�. What this term is describing is the idea that once a certain �peak�, or a certain level of euphoria is experienced on this heroin, tolerance builds in such a way that any lesser of a peak is muted and almost impossible to enjoy. It is sort of like enjoying a really good cookie, and being almost unable to find any pleasure at all from any cookie that is not at least as good for the rest of your life. narcissist experience peak tolerance in that once they have hit a certain peak of euphoria from Supply, they lose the ability to really enjoy a peak that is any less euphoric. It will always feel inadequate, and they will feel slightly cheated and will be driven to seek more Supply of a higher quality very quickly.
Returning to the discussion at hand, having the false image they project of themselves validated then is what creates a literal drug like state (Supply) the Narcissist orients their entire existence towards obtaining. Exactly what that false self image looks like varies from narcissist to narcissist, and is heavily influenced by personal power fantasies known only to the individual narcissist. Not every narcissist thinks themselves a hero, some narcissist relish being a villain and obtain Supply by being hated. Broadly speaking then, supply can be either �positive� (adulation) or �negative� (hatred) in nature, depending upon the taste of the individual narcissist. Some narcissists need negative Supply (Martin Shkreli) and base their lives around being publicly despised, some narcissists prefer positive Supply (Trump) and base their lives around having a godlike image of themselves be acknowledged as the truth (In Trump�s case he projects an image of �SUCCESS� without any nuance beyond that), still other narcissists need a balanced mixture (Milo Yiannapolis) of both positive and negative Supply- as a result they base their lives around being worshiped by their friends and hated/feared/loathed by their enemies.

Few narcissists are ever able to obtain enough Supply to prevent ever running out, they often live their lives constantly on the prowl for whatever Supply they can scrounge, learning to be patient predators if need be. A cycle of feast and famine comes to typify the existence of a narcissist and their unending quest for Supply, which they consume the first moment they can. Given the opportunity a narcissist will gorge themselves on Supply, they will consume as much as they can whenever the opportunity presents itself, and they will spend all their time and effort looking to obtain more Supply whenever they run out. They are consumption machines without much self control, they simply indulge in their drug whenever and wherever possible. Every once in a while a narcissist will hit upon a vein of Supply that can keep them high as a kite for months strait, and presented with the opportunity a narcissist will binge without hesitation. The binge will last until either the Supply runs out (most common) or the body of the narcissist cracks under the abuse of being constantly high on brain chemicals.

Like any other drug addict on a binge, a narcissist bingeing on Supply will eventually crash. The process takes much longer than normal with a narcissist than it does with other drugs for a few reasons, but the process is just as inevitable as it is with any other addict on a binge. First off, understand that to a narcissist their body is nothing but a tool to obtain Supply, and they only care for it insomuch as it is useful towards that purpose. As a result of this a narcissist can tolerate immense pain and easily push their bodies to the point of physical collapse if it is in the service of obtaining Supply. (That is to say, all the normal internal warning bells that would cause a normal person to stop physically pushing themselves can be simply ignored by a narcissist right up until they literally lose consciousness from exhaustion.) Next, another important reason that narcissistic binge can last many months is because it is ultimately caused by the bodies normal feel good chemicals, as a result tolerance builds much more slowly and fatigue sets in at a much more gradual pace.
That said, the process is just as inevitable as it is with any other addict on a binge- tolerance will build and the consequences of inadequate sleep will weaken the body. Even with theoretically infinite Supply a narcissist will eventually crash, if from nothing else than from sheer physical exhaustion. Their bodies will at some point simply give out, and leading up to that point is a long period of the euphoria and endless energy of Supply going from a 24/7 sensation, to weakening and then sputtering out to emptiness. As a narcissist begins to crash they make mistakes much more often because they are fatigued, and they become much more aggressive in their pursuit of Supply because they don�t experience even a fraction of the peaks they used too and they are internally panicked at then prospect.

Consider for a moment that at the start of his campaign, Trump could still make tactical concessions if he overplayed his hand. Remember this moment when Trump patted Ted Cruz on the back?

Trump jumped the gun and attacked Ted Cruz too early, he was roundly rebuffed by everyone from Rush Limbaugh to Anne Coulter. Trump had enough tactical sense to abandon that tactic when it was failing him. Compare this with the present whereby Trump is sticking to his guns on the judge Curiel attack despite it backfiring- Trump has been on a binge for a year now and fatigue is setting in, he is making mistakes because he is tired.
Trump has been on the highest high of his entire life for a year solid now- as a result of the Supply he has obtained by running for President. He has probably only been sleeping 4-5 hours per night in that entire time, because he is absolutely compelled to indulge in as much Supply as he possibly can. Why is Donald Trump tweeting up a storm at 3 in the morning? Because Donald Trump is getting his before bedtime fix of Supply, and he is shooting himself up until he blacks out � like he always does. Why is Donald Trump running his campaign like he is the King and his advisers are nobles that must squabble with each other for the King�s favor? Because the whole purpose of Trump�s staff is to provide him with Supply, and nothing else. (Trump isn't building a Presidential campaign, he doesn't know how and he doesn't care.) Trump is building a group of people who will convince TRUMP that he is running a real Presidential campaign. And that is all he is capable of doing. Trump is fundamentally unable to run a real Presidential campaign, he doesn't understand the concept of it anymore than he understands Swahili.

So to understand my analysis of the situation at present with regards to Trump and to understand where Trump is going to take all this I had to get all of that out of the way first, its very important to understand exactly what a narcissist is and why they operate in the fashion that they do.

At present I perceive signs of fatigue setting in with Trump, both physical fatigue and �Peak Tolerance� as well. Trump has been on the greatest binge of narcissistic Supply in recorded history, but his body is burning out now. He cannot feel the energy or euphoria that he felt for months solid quite like he used too, and he is making unforced tactical errors because he is fatigued. Trump�s fatigue combined with his (subconscious, but real) growing fear that he can�t feel the rush of Supply anymore he will begin to lash out. Whereas Trump was very good at picking targets to fight with in the past, binge fatigue Trump is going to increasingly start to just lash out randomly. Trump the charming nice guy requires high levels of Supply in order to exist, as Trump loses both his access to Supply (Trump needs almost pure adulation, and the press is not cooperating anymore like it used too) as well as his ability to enjoy what dwindling Supply he can acquire Trump is going to spiral out of control. Gone will be the famous charisma/rapier wit and in its place will be hot rage and accusations. Trump will feel cheated on a deep and subconscious level because Trump does not understand why he isn't experiencing the rush of Supply anymore, to Trump the euphoria of Supply is his �True Self�, the birthright he is owed for being such a godlike being. The euphoria if Supply is what Donald Trump bases his sense of identity on, without access to Supply his charisma will wither. He will feel as if he has had his true self forcefully taken from him, and he will seek a target to vent his anger at. The further this goes, the more any old target will do and the less selective he will be.

Where then is all this going to end up? I�ve gotten many requests both public and private to elaborate on my thoughts on the endpoint for a Trump campaign, and I have been very reluctant to respond. At this point however I think that events are progressed enough that what I am about to say will not seem nearly as outlandish as it would have sounded 6 months ago.

Basically, at this point Trump is in a tail spin that there is no escape from, this will all end very likely with Trump in prison for inciting riots/pockets of civil unrest. Trump has bought into his own hype and has convinced himself that he is the next POTUS, he has drunk deeply of the Supply of believing that he will be the most powerful person in the world. After experiencing that, there is no more getting high on Supply for Donald J Trump ever again. That is the ultimate �peak tolerance�, no Supply will ever be enough again. Trump is basing his life right now on creating an illusion that convinces primarily himself that he is leading a populist revolt against a corrupt political system, and Trump has already promised himself that he will be the amazing hero that sweeps into power and sets things right with but a wave of his talented hands. There is no plan for Trump beyond the expectation that he is the next POTUS, he already feels entitled too it, it already is a possession to him. It belongs to him and no one else. When it is taken away from him, he will react like the manchild addict that he is, he will incite violence.

I wish it were not so, but I honestly cannot conceive of any scenario whereby Trump loses without trying to start a civil war. I�m not kidding, I think he will try to start one. I�m certain he won�t come close to succeeding, but he is going be deluded enough to think he can win, angry and entitled enough to try, and it will be the only path to power (Supply) he will see at that point. On top of that, once his defeat is official, shitloads of his supporters + significant portions of the militia movement will be calling for open violence anyways, he will just be echoing what his most vociferous supporters want.

What happens after that is hard to predict, because it is hard to know exactly when Trump�s full meltdown will come. It could be election night, it could be after he gets humiliated by Hillary Clinton on live television while 50+ million people watch. (We could see a full narcissistic Rage on the debate stage, Trump physically moving towards Hillary while calling her a oval office and threatening to have her killed is the most extreme scenario here but it has a real chance of happening.) It could be when the GOP does something at the RNC to assert its power over him in some way. Any of these scenario�s are possible, and there are certainly scenario�s that would trigger his full meltdown that I can�t begin to guess at.

What happens when Trump does call for violence will depend on what the exact circumstances are that surround the situation when it happens as well as how much those calls are echoed. Various Christian church�s are openly agitating/preparing themselves for civil unrest, and they are being openly egged on by their leaders. See these videos :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjjfTbzo3Ic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsY09CJkX3g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrPtz4-Ag0A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGExtHuLtM4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4iGkbGso3E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaeJafw9Jms

We also have a situation where elected officials are doing the same thing. See Michele Fiore:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw_HUHOtGM4

Over time we can reasonably expect this trend of all-but-openly inciting violence to continue and progressively worsen as the Trump campaign drags on.

So to conclude then we have a coming situation where a leader of an extremist political faction is going to be rebuffed from power and will likely react with calls for violence, and those calls are very likely to be echoed by an unpredictable number of religious leaders and elected officials. What happens then is impossible to say, who knows how many nutballs are really willing to answer the call and how many are just talk? Most of course are just talk, but there may be as many as a few thousand spread across the US that are willing to take it past talk if presented with the right circumstances.

I cannot really begin to guess what will happen once Trump�s meltdown occurs, nor can I really anticipate when his meltdown will happen at this point, although I might be able to spot the final warning signs right before it happens. I only hope that Trump continues to discredit himself as much as possible, the more his antics shake off his less hardcore supporters, the fewer supporters that will be potentially swept up into the inevitable endgame of all this.

# ? Aug 4, 2016 02:03

radical meme: Apr 17, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Epic High Five posted:

Realtalk tho - CNN's usual stable of conservatives all loathe Trump and won't boost him on air, so they have to import people. As you can imagine, it's not a flush market. It's basically just Jeff Lord (who will quit in tears one of these days with how well his appearances usually go) and that one Kayleignyn or whatever woman. I swear her name isn't THAT crazy but it exists in some kind of halo zone where my brain is just unable to commit it to memory

My question is and always has been, why the gently caress does a news channel have to have anybody that supports Trump or any other jackass, racist, bigoted, rear end in a top hat candidate?

News is supposed to be about the facts, not stroking the egos of politicians and the people who support them. If the fact is that the son of a bitch is an ignorant, racist, bigot, then you don't have to have someone supporting his peculiar position on how the world works; you're the news for fucks sake.

radical meme fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Aug 4, 2016

# ? Aug 4, 2016 02:03

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Mel Mudkiper posted:

Whats really funny is Trump had shut the gently caress up this week that Iran thing could have been a dagger

Between Trump and the Olympics nobody is gonna give a poo poo and they'll almost certainly get the families of the freed hostages to shield them if somehow it gets legs.

Hell, Trump saying he saw a video of it is just gonna cement the story as bullshit to most people.

# ? Aug 4, 2016 02:03

Epic High Five: Jun 5, 2004

Because I love this country I respect your desire to be suspicious of people who love this country

Satan Bless America friend

radical meme posted:

I my question is and always has been, why the gently caress does a news channel have to have anybody that supports Trump or any other jackass, racist, bigoted, rear end in a top hat candidate?

News is supposed to be about the facts, not stroking the egos of politicians and the people who support them. If the fact is that the son of a bitch is an ignorant, racist, bigot, then you don't have to have someone supporting his peculiar position on how the world works; your the news for fucks sake.

24 hour news channels ain't about facts and never have been. CNN doubly so

# ? Aug 4, 2016 02:04

Luna Was Here: Mar 21, 2013; Lipstick Apathy

rscott posted:

Didn't you like wander into D&D with a bunch of dumb opinions like a week ago, maybe you shouldn't be telling people to

Dumbest thing I said was the rigged election thing because I heard all of that stuff as the emails were coming out and didn't look further into it, which was my mistake. The big thing about those emails was the dating and the fact that there were literally like 5 of the 20,000 emails that even alluded to Bernie and it was all after Bernie dropped out of the race. Other than that, no, haven't said as stupid stuff like "having patriotism is just stupid"

# ? Aug 4, 2016 02:04

Aesop Poprock: Oct 21, 2008; Grimey Drawer

Luigi Thirty posted:

Today in Trump, he testified to Congress in 2005 and tweeted in 2012 that asbestos would have saved the WTC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG6w8Aiv4rI

# ? Aug 4, 2016 02:06

UV_Catastrophe: Dec 29, 2008; Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are,

"It might have been."; Pillbug

radical meme posted:

News is ~~supposed to be~~ about ~~the facts~~ money

# ? Aug 4, 2016 02:06

radical meme: Apr 17, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Epic High Five posted:

24 hour news channels ain't about facts and never have been. CNN doubly so

Agreed. It was a rhetorical question.

# ? Aug 4, 2016 02:06

ImpAtom: May 24, 2007

Luna Was Here posted:

If you don't have pride in your country then I dunno move or something I guess? Maybe don't talk about the politics for said country in said country's politics thread? I dunno, every time I hear someone talking about how people taking pride in their country or like wearing the country's flag on a shirt is stupid or pointless just seems like you're being pessimistic for no reason. Like have you ever been to a group outing of like 100+ people? Sometimes being loud as gently caress about who you are can be fun

Nationalism is dumb. Moving wouldn't change that. That doesn't mean I don't care about the politics because I live here and would prefer it not to be a shithole.

Believing the place you live should be a good place isn't the same as believing it is blessed by god to be the greatest nation on earth.

# ? Aug 4, 2016 02:07