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axeil posted:Jesus christ. The Trump wing of the GOP has no morals or scruples. How can you leave someone out to dry like that? Dunno. https://mobile.twitter.com/JWGOP/status/761277074694733825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Found the tweet
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Popular Thug Drink posted:lol yeah the problem is that you're too leftist and it's definitely not your sanctimonious victim complex and piss poor reasoning skills Can you tell me what point it is that you thought I was making?
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Noam Chomsky posted:originally i did actually try to debate and i posted sources, which were ignored, because many posters ITT don't care and just want to dogpile. And when people started to argue with you you got immediately hyper-defensive about it. You're not being persecuted by the secret USPol Republican cabal, you just Lost An Argument. It happens to everyone! Mel Mudkiper posted:The fact McCain ever endorsed Trump in the first place is hilarious to me Jesus, Trump's grudge-holding ability is incredible. And people actually wanted this man to be President 
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:you posted exactly two sources. one of which is about currency manipulation as the main driving factor in job losses, with a bunch of numbers that don't really make sense, and another is an article from a newspaper that was focused on the somewhat inconsistent opinion among economists on TPP. At least I posted some. More than you have done.
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A Winner is Jew posted:I mean... have you just ignored all the reports of Trump leaving contractors holding the bag over the years on his properties? Trump doing that is par for the course. But Pence? drat. I wonder what its like watching you set your own political career on fire to please a narcissistic child?
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:you posted exactly two sources. one of which is about currency manipulation as the main driving factor in job losses, with a bunch of numbers that don't really make sense, and another is an article from a newspaper that was focused on the somewhat inconsistent opinion among economists on TPP. True leftists don't click on links, they accept the community's wisdom. Spiritus Nox posted:loving lol, Pence is letting Trump stick his arm straight up Pence's rear end. It's not like he has anything to go home to anymore. Hopefully it's still warm fom Christie.
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Also, McCain is only +2 from the latest poll on the 23. The poll done a week or two before he was +9.
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Noam Chomsky posted:Can you tell me what point it is that you thought I was making? i actually can't, you flop all over when pressed into a reflexive posture of being unfairly picked on and as such you keep retreating from your arguments aside from a vague distrust of free trade deals as being unfairly pro-corporate and against the little guy. which is enough of a baseless talk radio argument that it's hilarious that you're saying people are mad at you for being just too darn leftist
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Noam Chomsky posted:At least I posted some. More than you have done. I posted a very basic argument about the utility of free trade with examples and facts that you have still yet to respond to. Get off your high horse.
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axeil posted:Trump doing that is par for the course. But Pence? Probably something like this. 
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What's this referring to?
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Noam Chomsky posted:At least I posted some. More than you have done. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/07/bernie-s/sanders-overshoots-nafta-job-losses/ I've posted, extensively, about the effects of free trade in various iterations of this thread; including a long multi-page discussion last month where I openly disagreed with Democratic leadership and Hillary Clinton on DNC trade politics.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Probably something like this. Shrink this down make it USPOL AUG yoda rape gif
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Spiritus Nox posted:What's this referring to? The secret Iran video that he keeps alluding to is actually some cable news b-roll.
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Noam Chomsky posted:At least I posted some. More than you have done. Still waiting for you to comment on the sources I posted.
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Yinlock posted:And when people started to argue with you you got immediately hyper-defensive about it. You're not being persecuted by the secret USPol Republican cabal, you just Lost An Argument. It happens to everyone! I got defensive because the typical group of posters were saying things just like the bolded, which I never said. Also, I've posted multiple times that I was never really making a firm argument against the TPP, just that I can see why people are against it. Like I said, certain posters are upset that someone is challenging them. It's happened before with Bernie vs. Hillary derails. A certain group of posters gets pissy and hammers on people until they go away. I'm not trying to get any sympathy; just stating the facts. In order to lose an argument you actually have to be trying to make some kind of point. You can't really win an argument when both sides aren't arguing in good faith, either. I still sure would like to see someone post some sources that NAFTA didn't lead to the death of American manufacturing and a loss of jobs.
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zoux posted:The secret Iran video that he keeps alluding to is actually some cable news b-roll. Oh my loving god. Source?
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Noam Chomsky posted:Like I said, certain posters are upset that someone is challenging them. this is the one correct thing you've said so far itt it's you Noam Chomsky posted:I still sure would like to see someone post some sources that NAFTA didn't lead to the death of American manufacturing and a loss of jobs. bip roberts said this, you never responded to it Bip Roberts posted:Point to me where the 700K jobs were lost?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCYTI6Sh4kY How can we defeat the hero of this game?
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Spiritus Nox posted:Oh my loving god. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...money-transfer/
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Noam Chomsky posted:I got defensive because the typical group of posters were saying things just like the bolded, which I never said. I just did. I also made a case for you, based on long trends of manufacturing and jobs, that easily refute your claim that NAFTA "lead to the death of American manufacturing."
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borkencode posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCYTI6Sh4kY This is actually amazing.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:you can't possibly differentiate between jobs lost to NAFTA, jobs gained by NAFTA, jobs which were going to be lost anyway, and jobs which were going to be gained anyway So how exactly would we go about studying/proving suggested economic effects of NAFTA, if we literally can't even use economic data? Praxeology?
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borkencode posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCYTI6Sh4kY Become ghosts? 
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Periodiko posted:So how exactly would we go about studying/proving suggested economic effects of NAFTA, if we literally can't even use economic data? http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/docser...7D8ECA5DC5B0A23 (disclaimer: it might be behind a paywall, i am a university machine)
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Spiritus Nox posted:Oh my loving god. This is probably gonna be an amazing segment on All In tonight of its true 
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/docser...7D8ECA5DC5B0A23 It's not.
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Noam Chomsky posted:I got defensive because the typical group of posters were saying things just like the bolded, which I never said. All you're doing is talking about yourself constantly, please shut up 90% of this has been posting about posting
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borkencode posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCYTI6Sh4kY That's not how Pac-Man scoring works. 
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Periodiko posted:So how exactly would we go about studying/proving suggested economic effects of NAFTA, if we literally can't even use economic data? i'm saying poster Noam Chomsky can't just say "this one dude said NAFTA cost 700k jobs" and stick to that argument while ignoring everything else going on in the US / Global economy that could have an impact on jobs for example, NAFTA also created jobs. cherry picking your sources is generally frowned upon here, especially if you rely on those sources to make your argument for you
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Taerkar posted:That's not how Pac-Man scoring works. whoa don't pop a gasket there Billy Mitchell
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New McClatchy/Marist poll has H48 T33 Thirty Three.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:whoa don't pop a gasket there Billy Mitchell I'm just bitter that I'm not good enough at Pac-Man to get 30k
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There has to be some kind of limit in polls-only and polls-plus forecasts on FiveThirtyEight, right? Because this far out, there's still a big number of unknowns and possibilities. Like those charts on weather that shows a cone of where a hurricane could go, and a dark red cone of where it's most likely to go. Has Nate Silver ever said if there's a floor for this? Because as much as I'd bet for Clinton at this point, I admit there's still strange-rear end futures where she could lose. But it'd call for a Trump Pivot that keeps his base, Clinton loving up on unprecedented levels, and a series of horrible tragedies Trump could safely spin in his favor. I'm saying, we have to be near that floor, and we're considering the bit of the yellow cone where Hurricane Donny does a 180 degree turn and starts raining blood instead of water.
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Bear in mind that economists themselves don't agree on the job impact of NAFTA, what hope have we?
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TVarmy posted:There has to be some kind of limit in polls-only and polls-plus forecasts on FiveThirtyEight, right? Because this far out, there's still a big number of unknowns and possibilities. Like those charts on weather that shows a cone of where a hurricane could go, and a dark red cone of where it's most likely to go. Has Nate Silver ever said if there's a floor for this? Because as much as I'd bet for Clinton at this point, I admit there's still strange-rear end futures where she could lose. But it'd call for a Trump Pivot that keeps his base, Clinton loving up on unprecedented levels, and a series of horrible tragedies Trump could safely spin in his favor. I'm saying, we have to be near that floor, and we're considering the bit of the yellow cone where Hurricane Donny does a 180 degree turn and starts raining blood instead of water. They build in some things.
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So claiming footage of outrageous things exist, when they clearly don't, is just like Trump's thing? He did it with the "Muslims cheering 9/11" thing, he's doing it with this hostage payoff thing. Did he claim to see PP footage of crazy poo poo that wasn't in the release too? Why does he keep doing this - Never mind, keep trucking there Trump. Keep trucking.
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TVarmy posted:There has to be some kind of limit in polls-only and polls-plus forecasts on FiveThirtyEight, right? Because this far out, there's still a big number of unknowns and possibilities. Like those charts on weather that shows a cone of where a hurricane could go, and a dark red cone of where it's most likely to go. Has Nate Silver ever said if there's a floor for this? Because as much as I'd bet for Clinton at this point, I admit there's still strange-rear end futures where she could lose. But it'd call for a Trump Pivot that keeps his base, Clinton loving up on unprecedented levels, and a series of horrible tragedies Trump could safely spin in his favor. I'm saying, we have to be near that floor, and we're considering the bit of the yellow cone where Hurricane Donny does a 180 degree turn and starts raining blood instead of water. Which major black swan event that's happened this year helped Trump?
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