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_areaman posted:No, we don't want to sell drugs. We just want to sell things using a different ecommerce model. Whereas every company tracks and analyzes you, we do no such thing. The customer doesn't care. See for comparison Amazon, Facebook, etc.
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Also rule 1 of business: sell things that your customers want to come back and buy again. Repeat custom is the difference between having a business and being a random guy trying to flog stuff. Kill your own customer data and you don't have a business.
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I bought this $100.00 'water pipe' shaped like a mushroom from your online store, but now I want a refund... What do you mean, you don't have a record of my transaction?
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The criticism makes sense, but the whole point of this and any business is to be honest and trustworthy though the business's actions. The payments will only be as traceable as the customer allows, because we will only accept bitcoins. Revenue will be logged, but dates and times of transactions will be stored generally ("The week of July 1..."), and customer information will not be stored. We have a system developed for warranties and returns. This is a unique business model, an experiment, and it will be selling to people who care deeply about their privacy. It could fail, and that's fine. I am taking a contrarian view on normal ecommerce practices, and think a subset of the population will be interested in a radically different model. My concerns are if wiping customer information is a problem. Apparently it's not.
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_areaman posted:The criticism makes sense, but the whole point of this and any business is to be honest and trustworthy though the business's actions. The payments will only be as traceable as the customer allows, because we will only accept bitcoins. Revenue will be logged, but dates and times of transactions will be stored generally ("The week of July 1..."), and customer information will not be stored. We have a system developed for warranties and returns. Dear god.
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You should consult an attorney about this. Not this thread. A business law attorney who does formations and e-commerce would be my recommendation. Insurance companies may not like your model either.
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_areaman posted:No, we don't want to sell drugs. _areaman posted:The criticism makes sense, but the whole point of this and any business is to be honest and trustworthy though the business's actions. The payments will only be as traceable as the customer allows, because we will only accept bitcoins. Sure you don't
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_areaman posted:The criticism makes sense, but the whole point of this and any business is to be honest and trustworthy though the business's actions. The payments will only be as traceable as the customer allows, because we will only accept bitcoins. Revenue will be logged, but dates and times of transactions will be stored generally ("The week of July 1..."), and customer information will not be stored. We have a system developed for warranties and returns. it could not be more obvious you're supplying goods that might not be illegal themselves but are definitely for use in illegal activities
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Bitcoins are only useful for criminals and only solve problems criminals have. I agree that you need to get proper counsel before you go forward with any bitcoin business. Just getting banks to do business with you will be a challenge enough because of the money laundering implications. Also, you're absolutely going to get used frequently for money laundering if you accept bitcoin only. You better do as much due diligence to cover your own rear end or you'll end up in jail like oh so many bitcoin celebrities.
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# ? Aug 4, 2016 17:36 |
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Look, goddamnit, don't run the good ones off right out of the gate!
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# ? Aug 4, 2016 17:54 |
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Tell me more about the market of people who 'care deeply about their privacy'? Also tell me more about your 'contrarian views.' Thanks in advance.
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# ? Aug 4, 2016 17:55 |
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What are you selling? Just answer this question
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# ? Aug 4, 2016 18:03 |
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blarzgh posted:Look, goddamnit, don't run the good ones off right out of the gate! Not empty quoting
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# ? Aug 4, 2016 18:08 |
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EwokEntourage posted:What are you selling? Just answer this question Goods. With "enhanced privacy". Just like Uber, we're disrupting the business practice of "keeping records" and "not dealing exclusively with money launderers"
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Now we know why he can't pay for legal advice I guess.
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terrorist ambulance posted:Goods. With "enhanced privacy". Does uber have some side business I don't know about
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euphronius posted:Now we know why he can't pay for legal advice I guess. Wait lawyers don't take bitcoins?
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blarzgh posted:Look, goddamnit, don't run the good ones off right out of the gate! I'm hoping for a response to see how he's different than the rest.
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# ? Aug 4, 2016 19:20 |
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Look through his past posts. Nope, this will be a good business. Not three kids in a trenchcoat.
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# ? Aug 4, 2016 19:54 |
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xxEightxx posted:Does uber have some side business I don't know about Yes actually, it's called "lease people camries for 160 dollars a week" quote:Currently, I am in a situation that I'm not sure to keep going with or should walk away.
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God bless Uber, American company for good.
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# ? Aug 4, 2016 20:39 |
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Also to go back to the original question, the reason deleting customer records after doing a non-cash transaction differs from a physical cash transaction is specifically because the latter involves cash. It's not the keeping of records that differentiates other payment methods from cash, it's that non-cash payment methods are required by law to keep up with more stringent record requirements because there isn't the assurance of a physical exchange of currency. And even brick and mortar cash-based businesses print and keep receipts or at least log cash transactions; you might not get a receipt for buying beef jerky at a convenience store, but the POS system still logs that it was sold and for how much. If a business didn't keep these records, it would be almost impossible for them to stay in business, and if these records are kept in any form they are accessible to law enforcement and tax officials in some capacity. So beyond the general advice of getting a commercial lawyer who specializes in this, I would say that conducting any business where you deliberately destroy records of said business is going to not work out so well.
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# ? Aug 4, 2016 20:56 |
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Mucilaginous posted:Look through his past posts. It's just one lovely get rich quick scheme after another
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# ? Aug 4, 2016 21:21 |
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terrorist ambulance posted:Goods. With "enhanced privacy". Dildos? Incontinence products? Embarrassing creams for embarrassing rashes?
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# ? Aug 4, 2016 21:27 |
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My guess is on various types of goods with clear and prominent statements saying "not for human consumption."
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# ? Aug 4, 2016 21:34 |
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_areaman posted:I want to take a board game, develop it online, and charge money for it. I don't want to pay a dime to the company that produces the board game. I know companies can get away with doing this if they make some changes. _areaman posted:Would it be legal to create software that accessed a person's account data, and displayed it in a more useful format, and profit from that software? _areaman posted:They could ban a person who uses the software, but is creating and profiting from software that facilitates users to break the ToS themselves opening my company up to legal action?
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# ? Aug 4, 2016 21:46 |
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When did people get too lazy to go out and slang drugs
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# ? Aug 4, 2016 22:20 |
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Is it fine to store a myriad of geography pictures you find from various countries off of panoramio for reference on your drive?
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_areaman posted:The criticism makes sense, but the whole point of this and any business is to be honest and trustworthy though the business's actions. The payments will only be as traceable as the customer allows, because we will only accept bitcoins. Revenue will be logged, but dates and times of transactions will be stored generally ("The week of July 1..."), and customer information will not be stored. We have a system developed for warranties and returns. "WE WILL DESTROY ANY EVIDENCE OF THIS TRANSACTION!" is right up there with "NO VISIBLE HUMAN MEAT IN PRODUCT!" in terms of guarantees only sketchy businesses would ever need to give. Now I'm sure you're just an honest and trustworthy businessman probably selling Pop Tarts and oatmeal online and are just trying to corner that lucrative privacy-oriented breakfast market, but your lack of records can come back to haunt you in case you should ever need to fight money laundering charges or IRS tax audits. Also, should law enforcement ever launch an investigation into you sending delicious breakfast treats across state lines, you could face additional charges of tampering or destroying evidence. GamingHyena fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Aug 4, 2016 |
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_areaman posted:whole point of [...] any business is to be honest and trustworthy though the business's actions. Wrong. The point of a business is to make money. It's hard to do so without being honest and trustworthy but... Yeah. Have you talked to an accountant about this plan? They might have some issues with the lack of record keeping.
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FrozenVent posted:Wrong. The point of a business is to make money. It's hard to do so without being honest and trustworthy but... Yeah. Huh? Wha?
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Konstantin posted:My guess is on various types of goods with clear and prominent statements saying "not for human consumption." "I know the shady Chinese research chemicals I sold that guy killed him, but he signed a form in triplicate promising me that he would only use them for research!"
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Grouchio posted:Is it fine to store a myriad of geography pictures you find from various countries off of panoramio for reference on your drive? Are they pictures of famous landmarks and/or are you brown?
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EwokEntourage posted:Are they pictures of famous landmarks and/or are you brown?
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Grouchio posted:They sometimes are, usually they're pictures of fields, deserts, coasts, mountains, etc. I do not intend to use them for any projects/commercial use. Also all of them happen to also show up on Google Earth, which says you can print them for non-commerical use. So I don't know. And no I'm very pale. quote:Can I use, copy, print or download a photo from Panoramio? tho I doubt you'll get caught, and I doubt anyone would pursue action against you if you don't do anything with them but look at them
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EwokEntourage posted:tho I doubt you'll get caught, and I doubt anyone would pursue action against you if you don't do anything with them but look at them Grouchio fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Aug 5, 2016 |
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EwokEntourage posted:When did people get too lazy to go out and slang drugs When God invented the internet.
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I went and deleted all of those panoramia photos I found to be safe. Where would be some good places to legally archive such images from?
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Grouchio posted:I went and deleted all of those panoramia photos I found to be safe. Where would be some good places to legally archive such images from? Well, you have to get permission to download them, then you could store them anywhere you wanted to and were allowed to store images is there a reason you think someone is going to come after you for this?
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EwokEntourage posted:Well, you have to get permission to download them, then you could store them anywhere you wanted to and were allowed to store images
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