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Popular Thug Drink posted:you know, from the people who create political propaganda, based on ideology What is your deal, dude? Are you seriously denying that there's been a huge, heavily racialized program of demonization of welfare? I kind of had you pegged as a progressive primarily focused on racial issues, but if you also don't know about racial issues either I'm not really sure what I'm arguing with.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Once he loses a bunch of them are gonna be like "I'm glad that's over!" and think they can get back to business as usual. The business of creating the next Trump. This is why I'm actually really happy about all the press and poll results Johnson is getting. Libertarians are dumb, but they hold actual political opinions. Like things you can debate and point to data about. Compared to a lot of the right wing which currently just have vague emotional ideas they yell about so there's not much room to comprise or discuss. The worst is the freedom caucus which is essentially the party of toddlers throwing a fit when they are tired but don't want to take a nap. They don't know anything, don't want to know anything, but they know they are mad about it. They are a party within the party and would probably bolt given a chance. Maybe Trump pushes for this after the election claiming the Republican elite sabotaged his campaign? Tactically if centrist Republicans think Libertarians have a chance and use that as a refuge to reject both Trump and Hillary it'll benefit the dems tremendously especially if they stay there. I hope the Libertarians push more on a state level after the election so they get some representation in the house and senate. If this fall is an election massacre imagine ending up with republicans, freedom, and libertarians splitting the right?
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Redgrendel2001 posted:You guys are forgetting that it became an issue because of certain Mormon practices, i.e. "joy books".
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zoux posted:Posting this knowing fully well yall are going to take the wrong lesson from this and freak out about it. I wish a candidate would sponsor like a commercial free movie marathon. Could be more effective in the ad-heavy swing states. *TV announcer voice* "This Die Hard Marathon is brought to you commercial-free by Hillary Clinton."
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Periodiko posted:What is your deal, dude? Are you seriously denying that there's been a huge, heavily racialized program of demonization of welfare? I kind of had you pegged as a progressive primarily focused on racial issues, but if you also don't know about racial issues either I'm not really sure what I'm arguing with. i'm saying that if you believe there's a huge heavily racialized program of demonization of welfare why is it a leap to assume there's a huge heavily racialized program of demonization of free trade e.g. mexicans took my job like mayyyyybe free trade on the whole is a good thing but it's a useful distraction to blame ferriners overseas for shutting down the hammer factory so that you dont have to question why local government hasn't been able to help you at all (because mexicans)
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RZA Encryption posted:I wish a candidate would sponsor like a commercial free movie marathon. Could be more effective in the ad-heavy swing states. Hillary should buy out a major national network for a day and get them to show nothing but "Election."
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a shameful boehner posted:This seems like a pretty decent option given recent polls please vote
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It started with delete your account but I think an underreported part of this election is just how badly Hillary's twitter game murders Trump's. He's only good at punching down on losers like Jeb!.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:No Fucks Obama is best Obama After seven and a half years of Republican bullshit, it really, really is. This has got to be some massive catharsis. FuzzySlippers posted:This is why I'm actually really happy about all the press and poll results Johnson is getting. Libertarians are dumb, but they hold actual political opinions. Like things you can debate and point to data about. Compared to a lot of the right wing which currently just have vague emotional ideas they yell about so there's not much room to comprise or discuss. Its a sad day when the Libertarians are more of a rational political entity than most of one of the two major parties, but you're right. Economics can be debated, bigoted nationalism and mindless rage cannot.
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Periodiko posted:Okay? If you're trying to measuring the effect of a thing, that's going to potentially produce an estimated number. Popular Thug Drink posted:like mayyyyybe free trade on the whole is a good thing but it's a useful distraction to blame ferriners overseas for shutting down the hammer factory so that you dont have to question why local government hasn't been able to help you at all (because mexicans)
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nachos posted:It started with delete your account but I think an underreported part of this election is just how badly Hillary's twitter game murders Trump's. He's only good at punching down on losers like Jeb!. Trump doesn't have a twitter game, just an addiction.
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SubponticatePoster posted:WTF is a joy book, I'm a Utah native and I've never heard of this poo poo It's an FLDS thing, a book of all the marriage-eligible women (by their definition, so like, women over 14) in the community that some Dems tried to tie to the "binders full of women." It was a dumb, fake connection with no merit, especially compared to the fact that Romney probably had actual binders full of cabinet considerations, some of whom were probably women.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Don't be an rear end. Wow nice meltdown there Mr Trump
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  Forgive me if I missed it in the last few pages, but wtf just happened? Is the Captain Khan thing finally the thing that kills Trump?
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nachos posted:It started with delete your account but I think an underreported part of this election is just how badly Hillary's twitter game murders Trump's. He's only good at punching down on losers like Jeb!. His tumblr is just compromising pics of Ivanka for some reason.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i'm saying that if you believe there's a huge heavily racialized program of demonization of welfare why is it a leap to assume there's a huge heavily racialized program of demonization of free trade e.g. mexicans took my job And I asked you, "from who?" Both political parties supported NAFTA. The American business class overwhelmingly supported NAFTA.
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Hillary should use some of the ad money to hire the Stones to play You Can't Always Get What You Want outside Trump headquarters the morning of November 9th. Hell, they might do it for free.
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Periodiko posted:The massive differentials between people's opinions on "welfare" versus "assistance to the poor" strongly suggests that this is a product of political propaganda and ideology. A huge majority of the public supports "increased assistance to the poor", while only a small minority supports increasing "welfare" (http://www.shankerinstitute.org/blog/why-do-most-americans-support-assistance-poor-oppose-welfare). Also, support for welfare programs negatively correlates with income - you seem to be almost implying the opposite is true. Even if the public are opposed to "welfare", the wealthy are more opposed than the poor, so it's bizarre to blame the latter, especially when they have far, far less political influence and representation. I'm not saying that poor people are more likely to oppose assistance programs, I'm saying that opposition to these programs is coming from more than just the wealthy. And yes, a ton of that is because we have a culture where work (or, more accurately, employment) is put up on a pedestal and people who need assistance are demonized. And even more is straight up just racism. None of this supports the idea that trade policy should be scapegoated for what's really a failure of our safety nets to keep pace with a changing economy.
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Ron Jeremy posted:
those are just the odds, not an actual trendline. for a while trump was matching hillary because the RNC was about to happen, people were excited. then it was a trainwreck and trump went on an extended tantrum trump being unable to be anything but trump is the thing that kills trump
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Yinlock posted:please vote I'll vote for Hilldawg if her margin is less than 5% over Trump on Nov. 7th, otherwise abstain
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Ron Jeremy posted:
The Khan family thing was the lead, but it was part of a whole barrage of ridiculous bullshit like the Putin ties, the "hey Russia, hack Clinton please" thing, his continued idiocy on foreign policy like not remembering that Russia already invaded Ukraine or repeatedly asking people why he can't just nuke ISIS.
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"Support Are Troops but gently caress the actual troops" is a GOP double-standard that the base actually doesn't share.
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Precambrian posted:It's an FLDS thing, a book of all the marriage-eligible women (by their definition, so like, women over 14) in the community that some Dems tried to tie to the "binders full of women." It was a dumb, fake connection with no merit, especially compared to the fact that Romney probably had actual binders full of cabinet considerations, some of whom were probably women.  Did these idiots not know FLDS isn't the same thing as LDS?
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So, I've been thinking about something and I prooobably know the D&D hivemind has been too, so I'll throw it out there. Trump and the ensuing loss may lead to either a complete restructuring or (in the worst case) collapse of the GOP. But what will replace it? Will it fracture into three separate white nationalist, populist, and "pre-2016 republican" parties? Or will we just see 4 years of backpedaling and "Trump? Never heard of him" tactics? I don't think either option is the most likely or the best way to save the flaming plane in a nosedive that is the GOP, but I also don't exactly know what else it can be. 
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Periodiko posted:And I asked you, "from who?" Both political parties supported NAFTA. The American business class overwhelmingly supported NAFTA. i dunno man you're the one saying that opposition to welfare is because of political propaganda and not just homespun mess of defining an in-group, protestant work ethic, and racism it's entirely feasible to support free trade and then blame free trade to agitate your base into voting for you based on empty promises to bring back jobs, that's pretty much all the GOP did for the last twenty years. you can blame the EPA
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Periodiko posted:And I asked you, "from who?" Both political parties supported NAFTA. The American business class overwhelmingly supported NAFTA. Right now both of the major political parties are divided across the isolationism / interventionism axis. Clinton and Jeb! lean more interventionist, Bernie and Trump lean more isolationist. People who tend towards the isolationist side tend to have major issues with globalization in general and free trade in specific.
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straight up brolic posted:it was the straw that broke the camels back. it gave everyone with a conscious in the republican party an excuse to hit the ejector seat, which is piling on the pressure for others to do the same. Also, the democrats aren't going after Trump on policy but sanity which is savy as gently caress considering he's a textbook narcissist that can't stop making GBS threads the bed 24/7.
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"why can't we just nuke iraq" - the biggest rear end in a top hat in every middle school 2003-2005
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Spaced God posted:So, I've been thinking about something and I prooobably know the D&D hivemind has been too, so I'll throw it out there. I think #2 will lead naturally to #1, they'll try to sweep it under the rug and when that doesn't work melt down completely.
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Ron Jeremy posted:
Manafort had been holding trump back from when he buttoned up the nomination until the convention, and then the Khan thing started, and his entire campaign seems to have given up, and Primary Trump is back in the game, saying whatever he feels like, whenever he feels like. In addition to the khan thing, he threw a baby out of one of his rallies, accepted a fake purple heart, and has, today, thrown people with pocket constitutions out of his rallies. It's a bad scene and it's spiraling downwards. It'll be interesting to see how much longer this can go on.
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a shameful boehner posted:I'll vote for Hilldawg if her margin is less than 5% over Trump on Nov. 7th, otherwise abstain C'mon man just go out and do it. The only way I can ever see Trump winning right now is "voter apathy because he'll obviously lose". While this is hilariously unlikely, Trump is literally running for President so apparently anything loving goes now.
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Bushiz posted:Manafort had been holding trump back from when he buttoned up the nomination until the convention, and then the Khan thing started, and his entire campaign seems to have given up, and Primary Trump is back in the game, saying whatever he feels like, whenever he feels like. In addition to the khan thing, he threw a baby out of one of his rallies, accepted a fake purple heart, and has, today, thrown people with pocket constitutions out of his rallies. It's a bad scene and it's spiraling downwards. It'll be interesting to see how much longer this can go on. if trump gets completely exhausted, flames out unspectacularly, and then just stays out of the public eye for a few days/weeks it will improve his chances we need marathon crazy trump, long distance trump, to keep this up for months
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Were there ever any major news stories along the lines of "<candidate> is doing really poorly in the polls" in 2008 or 2012? I feel like the polls never got a large enough gap for that to happen. That seems like the thing that would throw any campaign into a death spiral. Report that the polls are looking really bad for <candidate>, which makes fewer people want to vote for them because nobody likes a loser, which makes the polls worse, which creates more reports about the polls looking really bad for <candidate>, which...
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