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Just watched Schisms and when Riker is running his hand over the conn console you can clearly see philips screw heads. Not even torx. Immersion ruined.
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McNally posted:Didn't Kirk pull a handkerchief from a trouser pocket during his inspection of engineering during Star Trek II? Timby posted:There's a pocket in the front flap (the part below the belt) in the maroon uniforms used in the movies.
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McNally posted:Didn't Kirk pull a handkerchief from a trouser pocket during his inspection of engineering during Star Trek II?
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Aug 6, 2016 02:40
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Okay seriously, these Vic Fontaine episodes are the worst.
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Nessus posted:Besides which, I gather Gene was much less of a wiener during the TOS era. Gene literally had no control whatsoever over the movies after The Motion Picture.
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CharlieWhiskey posted:Just watched Schisms and when Riker is running his hand over the conn console you can clearly see philips screw heads. Not even torx. Immersion ruined. An eagle-eyed viewer might be able to see the wires. A pedant, might be able to see the wires. But I think if you're looking at the wires you're ignoring the story. If you go to a puppet show you can see the wires. But it's about the puppets, it's not about the string. If you go to a Punch & Judy show and you're only watching the wires, you're a freak.
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Rhyno posted:Okay seriously, these Vic Fontaine episodes are the worst. They are. It's my least favorite part of DS9's later seasons.
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8one6 posted:They are. It's my least favorite part of DS9's later seasons. As long as there are those last few mirror universe episodes, the Sisko's Ghost Mom (who can't act), and Quark getting a sex change, this opinion will always be wrong. Plus I really like "It's Only a Paper Moon." The others are mostly crap though. Man, DS9 didn't have a lot of filler, but the filler it did have was baaaaad.
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Aug 6, 2016 05:50
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Duckbag posted:Man, DS9 didn't have a lot of filler, but the filler it did have was baaaaad. Counterpoint: James Bond.
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WickedHate posted:An eagle-eyed viewer might be able to see the wires. A pedant, might be able to see the wires. But I think if you're looking at the wires you're ignoring the story. If you go to a puppet show you can see the wires. But it's about the puppets, it's not about the string. If you go to a Punch & Judy show and you're only watching the wires, you're a freak. I'll say your a freak, because a Punch and Judy show uses hand puppets, there should be no wires. 
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Duckbag posted:As long as there are those last few mirror universe episodes, the Sisko's Ghost Mom (who can't act), and Quark getting a sex change, this opinion will always be wrong. Plus I really like "It's Only a Paper Moon." The others are mostly crap though. Man, DS9 didn't have a lot of filler, but the filler it did have was baaaaad. It's Only a Paper Moon is dumb for the Vic parts but it did introduce me to a pretty baller song.
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Rhyno posted:Okay seriously, these Vic Fontaine episodes are the worst. WRONG idiot.
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Aug 6, 2016 07:00
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Rhyno posted:Okay seriously, these Vic Fontaine episodes are the worst. I used to be wrong like this
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Aug 6, 2016 07:19
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Trent posted:I used to be wrong like this The one where they have to rob the mobsters was too loving much. I'm in the home stretch so no more time for bullshit filler episodes.
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Aug 6, 2016 07:24
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MikeJF posted:Counterpoint: James Bond. That episode is actually pretty important character development for both Garak and Bashir. e: Just rewatched it. My favorite part is how proud Garak is when Julian shoots him. Duckbox fucked around with this message at 08:45 on Aug 6, 2016 |
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Rhyno posted:The one where they have to rob the mobsters was too loving much. I'm in the home stretch so no more time for bullshit filler episodes. Tell me... have you ever been diagnosed as anhedonic?
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Aug 6, 2016 07:55
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Rhyno posted:The one where they have to rob the mobsters was too loving much. I'm in the home stretch so no more time for bullshit filler episodes. Does a thought this wrong physically hurt?
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Aug 6, 2016 14:49
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Vic Fontaine sucks and all of you claiming he doesn't are weird.
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Duckbag posted:That episode is actually pretty important character development for both Garak and Bashir. I'm a couple episodes past that on my nth rewatch. The one with RED SQUAD and the changelings on Earth and grandpa Sisko. Holy poo poo they have a better metaphor for post 9/11 terrorism than any show that's ever actually tried to make one.  If the changelings want to ruin paradise, they'll have to do it themselves, we won't do it for them. I guess imagine that's a UFP flag and a crying Tarkosian Eagle.
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I rewatched It's Only a Paper Moon recently, and was thinking "Why did I ever hate Vic Fontaine?" ...then I rewatched the episode that introduces him. Oof, what a stinker. He's immediately elevated to this flimsily-executed wise guru status and it's just a boring, boring episode aside from that.
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I don't hate Vic, he's firmly in the does nothing for me category, but what exactly was the point of him? The crew already had a hang out place, and why choose a fifties style Las Vegish rat pack type crooner? And why is Quark okay with losing one of his holosuites to what's essentially competition?
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Aug 6, 2016 15:37
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quark is collecting the same amount of money running Vic as he would Vulcan Love Slave IV. Quark is making hella bank off of whoring out Vic
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Rhyno posted:The one where they have to rob the mobsters was too loving much. I'm in the home stretch so no more time for bullshit filler episodes. The strut episode? You don't deserve to wear that uniform.
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Baka-nin posted:I don't hate Vic, he's firmly in the does nothing for me category, but what exactly was the point of him? The crew already had a hang out place, and why choose a fifties style Las Vegish rat pack type crooner? And why is Quark okay with losing one of his holosuites to what's essentially competition? The people who made DS9 love movies. They love love love movies. Especially crime movies. If you look at any behind-the-scenes stuff, they'll talk about specific films they're referencing, rather than the broad "only know it from the parodies" kinds of pastiche you saw on TNG (ie, Dixon Hill). And they had the resources, and they had a cast who loved to ham it up in different parts, so why not? That's why you get Vic Fontaine, or any of the Orion Syndicate stuff where the bad guys are just classic crime movie tropes in Star Trek makeup, or the James Bond one, or Lawrence loving Tierney as a space dictator. And if you don't dig it, you need to get out of the Star Trek thread and go watch some goddamn movies.
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I would love a Star Trek homage to MASH. Preferably with a cameo by Donald Sutherland.
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Kazinsal posted:I would love a Star Trek homage to MASH. Preferably with a cameo by Donald Sutherland. http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Nor_the_Battle_to_the_Strong_(episode) That's the obvious one, but In the Cards feels closer to an episode of the series, complete with the A and B plots having different tones.
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Vic is great as a DS9 version of Guinan, a sounding board for the main characters. The music and his singing however are loving awful and there's far too much of it. Anyone who hates the
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It's one thing to homage movies occasionally, it's another thing to bring your space show to a grinding halt so you can make an off-brand Rat Pack pastiche. Our Man Bashir is doing it right; Vic Fontaine just feels like someone on the writing staff wanted to be working on a different show.
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Trent posted:Holy poo poo they have a better metaphor for post 9/11 terrorism than any show that's ever actually tried to make one. That's because its not one. Its the general security dilemma that's existed since the beginnings of organized society.
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applicability/=/allegory.
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Sash! posted:Its the general security dilemma that's existed since the beginnings of organized society. It's something that Star Trek has always been pretty good at talking about too. "The Drumhead" is another good example.
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Aug 6, 2016 19:57
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If you don't like the episode where the crew rob Vic's casino then you have no soul.
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Angry Salami posted:It's one thing to homage movies occasionally, it's another thing to bring your space show to a grinding halt so you can make an off-brand Rat Pack pastiche. Our Man Bashir is doing it right; Vic Fontaine just feels like someone on the writing staff wanted to be working on a different show. There is functionally no difference between the Ocean's Eleven episode and Our Man Bashir, except that the latter is riffing on a more popular franchise.
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Gaz-L posted:There is functionally no difference between the Ocean's Eleven episode and Our Man Bashir, except that the latter is riffing on a more popular franchise. One has Vic Fontaine, one has Garak being awesome.
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Aug 6, 2016 21:18
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Hey get your fun out of my very serious space drama I don't want that because I am a horrid bore.
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I mean a few pages ago you were saying that Jadzia is better than Ezri so I guess this is the wrong Star Trek opinions mega thread now.
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Aug 6, 2016 22:08
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I think Dax is cute. Like, the symbiote.
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Aug 6, 2016 22:20
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I think Dax is cute. There's stuff sold in Japan you'll love.
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Ogmius815 posted:I mean a few pages ago you were saying that Jadzia is better than Ezri so I guess this is the wrong Star Trek opinions mega thread now.  That's a bit of a fun idea isn't it, the worst Star Trek opinions. Unfortunately mine is that TAS is astonishing and beautiful, and I'm pretty sure that's more "objectively correct"
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TAS is Trek condensed down to twenty some odd minutes and works because of it. Also we learn that Satan is a pretty cool guy.
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