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IRQ posted:Let's not forget Al Jazeera either, their unfortunate failure to crack the US TV news market notwithstanding they're generally really good. Why did they fail? All I can remember about their push was some anti-Gore propaganda and advertisers unwillingness to buy ad space.
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Al jazeera America was a really hosed up and weird thing where al jazeera did everything it could to force Americans to use a weird fox newsified version of their English affiliate and it went over so loving well barely anyone remembers it happening.
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Aug 10, 2016 16:57
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Oh. I thought they literally just tried to add AJ English to American cable.
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Aug 10, 2016 17:02
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hemophilia posted:We have PBS and NPR and before, you know, the powers that be realized they were paying for bad press and rebroadcasts of british media, they used to be pretty good news sources. They may still be, but I just remember the 90s where my grandpa didn't want to pay for cable and my parents couldn't afford it so I only knew broadcast TV until basically 1999, PBS used to be pretty good then.
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Demiurge4 posted:Oh. I thought they literally just tried to add AJ English to American cable. That's what most people wanted.
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Honest question, what safeguards are in place for something like the BBC to ensure the state doesn't interfere with them? I'm always immediately suspicious when a journalism outlet is reporting on the people giving them their money, and since a major responsibility of journalists is to keep an eye on the government it sounds like a conflict of interest. Same question for PBS' investigative reporting I guess. I'm not against the idea of state funded journalism but not sure how you keep it from turning into state sponsored "journalism".
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In the case of the corporation for public broadcasting, the threat is that running stories on politics gets you enemies that may eventually severely reduce or entirely sever one of your few steady revenue streams. In the case of the BBC, i dont know. Its probably similar, i seem to recall the conservatives taking a poo poo on BBC funding as reprisal for not beong a Rupert Murdoch rag yet or something. There's nothing to really stop state news from becoming loving pravda or something aside from cultural tolerance for that kind of overt propagandistic nonsense and legal protections like the first amendment. Riot Bimbo fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Aug 10, 2016 |
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Grand Fromage posted:Honest question, what safeguards are in place for something like the BBC to ensure the state doesn't interfere with them? They have a governing body which oversees their impartiality, etc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Trust The ABC in Australia has a similar body: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABC_Board Also the ABC not only takes great glee in reporting on governmental fuckups whenevethey can but they also report on their own fuckups - they have a show called Media Watch which highlights lovely journalism and it absolutely does not hold back in pointing out the ABC's fuckups. Edit: they also get reviewed fairly often and they have pretty robust complaints procedures where people can bitch about stories being unfair or unbalanced Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Aug 10, 2016 |
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Aug 10, 2016 18:28
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More safeguards than there are for private, for-profit news outlets.
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Denmark also has a pretty robust media service 'Danmarks Radio'. They run a few TV and radio channels and they produce a fair few documentaries and other shows. I can't speak for their news though, I haven't consumed TV news for years.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:They have a governing body which oversees their impartiality, etc: Speaking of Media Watch they've had some pretty great coverage of the death of journalism recently. Had a different angle from Oliver too going into how the ad money is still there just that Google/Facebook/etc. take it all with their data mining instead news companies ads did in the past among other things.
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sbaldrick posted:Newspapers are really trapped in-between a rock and a hard place that John didn't get into. The internet has now evolved to a place where people are willing to pay for things, see netflix and itunes but Newspapers have become so lovely no one is willing to pay for them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b00HsZvg-V0 A loving video for Hello World. As much as I might wish it to be this doesn't appear to be a joke. However, if this is what people are coming to expect, perhaps newspapers would be better served putting out audio versions. Just provide a transcript for those of us who still want to live in the past (but with better network access).
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prak posted:However, if this is what people are coming to expect, perhaps newspapers would be better served putting out audio versions. Is emoji news a thing yet?
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People stopped spending money in newspapers and started spending it on Netflix, so obviously the answer is "Netflix presents: Your Local News". Or "An HBO feature presentation: Your loving Local News. gently caress you and also here's some sex".
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Afro posted:That's what most people wanted. I don't understand why they wouldn't just put the AJ English channel into their slot for a few months to test when they shut it down. Licensing issues?
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Is emoji news a thing yet? A 👨👩👧👦 of 5 killed today in 🇧🇷 after a 🚂 derailed at high speeds. Acting president Michel Temer was reportedly feeling very 😭
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the answer to local news not funding journalism is, like most problems in america, a collective action problem that needs government so it's not going to ever be solved
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I think there's also something odd about this idea that local journalism is the only/best way to deal with local corruption and that we should be funding local papers because they are the real heroes. It makes more sense that the government should be encouraging a more active political citizenship, which actually attend local government meetings. Or maybe the problem is that America insists on defunding all of its regulatory agencies which should be the ones auditing this kind of poo poo. Corruption is a structural problem that isn't going to be solved by just making sure that The Springfield Gazette or whatever has enough money.
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Ur Getting Fatter posted:I think there's also something odd about this idea that local journalism is the only/best way to deal with local corruption and that we should be funding local papers because they are the real heroes. One step at a time.
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That may have been one of the filthiest gags they've done in ages. I loved it reappearing after the credit audiobox spam.
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Aug 15, 2016 08:01
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I loving love that they bought that demon car.
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Demiurge4 posted:I loving love that they bought that demon car. It wasn't the demon car. They mentioned it got stolen and the demon car was a 2004 while they said that one was a 2003.
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You can bet they were planning on buying the demon car if they actually did track it down, they'd probably already hired a priest for the exorcism
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Did anyone else notice that really weirdly inserted text that John voiced over, like it was added later? It felt so obvious and out of place. They've never done anything like that before. Weird.
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Yeah, must have been some 11th hour ADR for some reason, it was really jarringly done.
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Aug 15, 2016 16:56
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The audio mix in general was messed up. On both my recording and HBO Go, John's voice wasn't anchored to the center channel. He was bleeding into the front channels and the surrounds. It was very distracting and hard to listen to.
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bull3964 posted:It wasn't the demon car. They mentioned it got stolen and the demon car was a 2004 while they said that one was a 2003. Oh too bad. It was the one in the pictures during the segment. They used a stand in I suppose.
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Who the hell steals a 10 year old Kia?
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IRQ posted:Who the hell steals a 10 year old Kia? A car thief with low self-esteem.
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IRQ posted:Who the hell steals a 10 year old Kia? Older cars are generally easier to steal and stick out less.
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swickles posted:Older cars are generally easier to steal and stick out less. Sure but if I was out looking to steal a car that blended in I'd just go for a camry or something that at least will run, not the demon kia with a transmission possessed by satan and a bill reminder beeper (I had no idea that was even a thing holy poo poo).
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IRQ posted:Sure but if I was out looking to steal a car that blended in I'd just go for a camry or something that at least will run, not the demon kia with a transmission possessed by satan and a bill reminder beeper (I had no idea that was even a thing holy poo poo). I doubt the person who stole the car knew about its mechanical issues and bill reminder beeper beforehand. It's not like they do a lot of field research before grabbing a car off the street.
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The beeper thing sounds like something you could just jank out. You bought the car right? Is a loan clause that it has to stay in lawful?
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Demiurge4 posted:The beeper thing sounds like something you could just jank out. You bought the car right? Is a loan clause that it has to stay in lawful? You're buying a car with a loan from the dealer. Guarantee the beeper and shut off switch are in the loan clause.
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Demiurge4 posted:The beeper thing sounds like something you could just jank out. You bought the car right? Is a loan clause that it has to stay in lawful? It might be either very difficult to remove, a condition of the loan, or set up in such a way as to disable the car if removed. And before you scoff at that last one, remember that all cars nowadays are computer-controlled to some degree. They can't run without their onboard computers, and those computers can be customized. There's a whole industry that does that, in fact.
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END ME SCOOB posted:That may have been one of the filthiest gags they've done in ages. 
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tarlibone posted:It might be either very difficult to remove, a condition of the loan, or set up in such a way as to disable the car if removed. And before you scoff at that last one, remember that all cars nowadays are computer-controlled to some degree. They can't run without their onboard computers, and those computers can be customized. There's a whole industry that does that, in fact.
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I like the little sound that went along with it in the post-credits one.
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tarlibone posted:It might be either very difficult to remove, a condition of the loan, or set up in such a way as to disable the car if removed. And before you scoff at that last one, remember that all cars nowadays are computer-controlled to some degree. They can't run without their onboard computers, and those computers can be customized. There's a whole industry that does that, in fact. Say I'm dedicated to bypassing the computer on a shifty loan car. Can I? I've never fooled with my car's computer. I've owned only two and while i got this one off a self-finance lot, I also paid cash to walk out with close to the car's blue book +/- the loving shot tires i had to replace. If there's some secret loving beeper/engine killer on it i want to know and also gently caress the computer up.
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