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Grundulum posted:There appears to be a very very vocal part of the "progressive/left-leaning" population who believes that Hillary Clinton and the DNC cannot, axiomatically cannot, do anything good. The DNC platform being the most progressive it's been in the history of the DNC apparently isn't worth poo poo because: 1. There are no mechanics for holding the candidate to the platform the moment they enter office (which means it'll be instantly ignored) 2. All of the stuff that wasn't in the platform, that would have been had Sanders gotten his way
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Being enthusiastic for Jill Stein is clearly their greatest sin. If they are actually liberals and not libertarians that call themselves liberals, start calling them libertarians; that should annoy them on a very deep level until they can't stand it anymore.
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Aug 12, 2016 09:50
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Whatever happened to the Unskewed Polls guy anyway?
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Brown Paper Bag posted:Whatever happened to the Unskewed Polls guy anyway? He gives people sixers whenever he shows up while Trump is having a good day
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Aug 12, 2016 12:10
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Aug 12, 2016 12:19
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My Imaginary GF posted:We didn't kill Hitler by trying to minimize radical germanic extremist casualties, now did we? We didn't kill Hitler at all
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Aug 12, 2016 12:21
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 After 36 hours of insisting Obama and Hillary literally founded ISIS, suddenly it was sarcasm. Is this the pivot we've been waiting for? 
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pacerhimself posted:
He's gonna cling to the "just joking" defense to the day he dies whenever he screws up, isn't he?
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Geostomp posted:He's gonna cling to the "just joking" defense to the day he dies whenever he screws up, isn't he? I like Trump because he's a straight talker who says what means and means what he says.
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Aug 12, 2016 12:26
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Luckily it's customary in geopolitical wranglings to give all statements a "cooling off" period of 48-72 hours where the person who said it can say they were just kidding and everybody goes along with it
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Aug 12, 2016 12:27
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That's how Presidents do things. "Release the hostages, now! Or... just kidding??" "You need to stop putting your dissidents into an industrial blender! Maybe just kidding?"
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Aug 12, 2016 12:32
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Grundulum posted:There appears to be a very very vocal part of the "progressive/left-leaning" population who believes that Hillary Clinton and the DNC cannot, axiomatically cannot, do anything good. Anything that Clinton says is either a lie to earn her votes (if they agree with it), or her true opinion that will be enacted as soon as she is in office (if they disagree). Among my friends list, these people went hard for Sanders and are now equally enthusiastic for Jill loving Stein. I have a friend who fits this to a T. Really disappointing. He has a propensity to share about 10-15 FB posts a day which can get annoying but now it's even worse because it's all Hillary tinfoil.
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What the gently caress is this poo poo, NPR?
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gradenko_2000 posted:The DNC platform being the most progressive it's been in the history of the DNC apparently isn't worth poo poo because: over the last 25 years, politicians have voted in accord with their party's platform 82 percent of the time. yes, there is no formal mechanism to guarantee compliance but platforms set the foundations of debate and set voter expectations. unless you think hillary clinton is a dramatic break from the past, the criticism makes no sense.
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My carefully curated list of hardcore insane Bernouts is down to just two people - one who legit loathes Clinton and everything to do with her because ??? who does the whole, "lol that sourced argument you made is lovely, the truth is X and lemme find some stuff to support it" and then never does thing, and the other is one of those people who shares a thousand delusional posts at 4am. Both are hardcore for Stein and neither responded when I asked them their opinion on the fact that our children's heads are being cooked by wifi. Neither responded to my, "the people who are still holding out will never vote for Clinton or a Democrat under and circumstances, so gently caress'em" either. I guess they still feel like they're a relevant bloc despite neither major party wanting anything to do with them One of my sarcastic, traditionally Democratic friends did respond with this however  Which I enjoyed.
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Solkanar512 posted:What the gently caress is this poo poo, NPR? Maybe, just maybe, the truth is in the middle, arghle bargle glargle
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Aug 12, 2016 13:03
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Every one of these quotes needs to be followed by - Posted from my Android or - Posted from my iPhone, so we know which one's are the crazy ones and which ones are the ones trying to not be driven crazy by the other one.
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Aug 12, 2016 13:11
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Comstar posted:Every one of these quotes needs to be followed by - Posted from my Android or - Posted from my iPhone, so we know which one's are the crazy ones and which ones are the ones trying to not be driven crazy by the other one. In the end, it is the iPhone ones that will be the most lunatic Anyway I thought Trump banned all Apple products and/or just iPhones from the campaign? Whoever else is in control of that account is playing with fire Probably eats Oreos while they do it too. Probably feels the most beautiful adrenaline high from fear
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Aug 12, 2016 13:13
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I dunno Donald, Prester Jane figured you out to a tee. I'd suggest someone send him a copy of her analysis to see how he reacts to someone reading him like a book, but nobody deserves the direct attention of the Donald or his followers.
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Yvonmukluk posted:I dunno Donald, Prester Jane figured you out to a tee. Maybe the most confusing thing about this election are people who still somehow think Donald Trump willingly reads anything.
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Solkanar512 posted:What the gently caress is this poo poo, NPR? We're a serious news organization with a serious readership! Our readers know we're not biased because we equate banning all Muslims with some emails or something.
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Aug 12, 2016 13:28
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NPR's political stuff is generally loving trash because a bunch of their funding either comes directly from conservative leaning sources or if they skew too hard to the left with the GOP in control of congress they'll be operating out of a shack under a bridge
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Epic High Five posted:NPR's political stuff is generally loving trash because a bunch of their funding either comes directly from conservative leaning sources or if they skew too hard to the left with the GOP in control of congress they'll be operating out of a shack under a bridge I don't think it's entirely motivated by funding. I think it's about appealing to liberal readers who smugly don't want to think of themselves as "biased".
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Grundulum posted:There appears to be a very very vocal part of the "progressive/left-leaning" population who believes that Hillary Clinton and the DNC cannot, axiomatically cannot, do anything good. Anything that Clinton says is either a lie to earn her votes (if they agree with it), or her true opinion that will be enacted as soon as she is in office (if they disagree). Among my friends list, these people went hard for Sanders and are now equally enthusiastic for Jill loving Stein. Sorry for not letting tribalism blind us to the ills of the Clinton clique, I guess? That said, my fellow Bernie supporters in my metropolitan area seem to be about ⅓ in favor of toeing the party line, ⅓ in favor of Stein, ⅙ in favor of Johnson, and another ⅙ split between a general protest vote and not voting. I'm in the latter group, myself—Stein's an anti-nuclear, anti-GMO, and anti-vaccine kook whose greatest achievement in life is running for president a half dozen times with nothing to show for it; John's a conservative scumbag with little to no good ideas for the country; and Clinton is the embodiment of the braindead entitlement of our political class that has led the country to the political climate we find ourselves in today. That's only going to get worse once she assumes the presidency. Nah, I'll indulge my privilege and write-in either myself or, as many a proud Minnesotan before me, 'lizard people'.
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Solkanar512 posted:What the gently caress is this poo poo, NPR? Epic High Five posted:NPR's political stuff is generally loving trash because a bunch of their funding either comes directly from conservative leaning sources or if they skew too hard to the left with the GOP in control of congress they'll be operating out of a shack under a bridge There you go. There was a big controversy within the last few years where NPR started going after the GOP a bit more than the GOP liked, and the GOP in congress decided to threaten to pull funding. So if anyone has to do "Truth is in the middle" and the horserace narrative, it's them, and not by choice either.
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Economist Jared Bernstein has an analysis of Trump's tax plan up at http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/some-points-you-may-have-missed-on-trumps-ill-advised-tax-plan/ quote:He claims to close one loophole but opens up a much bigger one. This, to me, is a big deal that’s easy to miss. I’m talking about the Trump plan for a 15% tax rate on “pass-through” income. He has some more stuff on the childcare stuff and the estate tax also.
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QuoProQuid posted:over the last 25 years, politicians have voted in accord with their party's platform 82 percent of the time. yes, there is no formal mechanism to guarantee compliance but platforms set the foundations of debate and set voter expectations. Where is this statistic curated from, I'd like to cite it
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It doesn't even matter because the President doesn't vote. Executive stuff is what matters. SCOTUS is what matters. Having the veto pen (and having someone who will not veto progressive legislation) is what matters. Have fun explaining this to low-info voters though.
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Antti posted:It doesn't even matter because the President doesn't vote. Executive stuff is what matters. SCOTUS is what matters. Having the veto pen (and having someone who will not veto progressive legislation) is what matters. Have fun explaining this to
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Cugel the Clever posted:Sorry for not letting tribalism blind us to the ills of the Clinton clique, I guess? I chose my words very carefully. This is not letting party allegiance blind me to differences in policy. I am aware that Clinton doesn't match all of my personal political beliefs. The people I was describing have shown no indication that Clinton matches any of theirs, in spite of claiming the mantle of progressivism. On a personal note, it's getting incredibly frustrating, because they spam their Facebook wall with more poo poo than I can easily research and rebuff, and it's slowly drawing other friends into their insane tinfoil circle.
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Aug 12, 2016 14:09
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You say potato, I say potatoe.
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Aug 12, 2016 14:11
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Antti posted:You say potato, I say potatoe. Look at these poor, dummy slobs chatting away about some loser food like potatoes. I like people who discuss steak. We need more steak in America, big, beautiful steaks, the best steaks. Michelle Obama's brainwashed, she's brainwashed American children to think about potato! I mean, potato! Can you believe it? It's horrible. We're gonna make American schools great again, steak for every child, the best steak, there's no problem there I guarantee it! Loser Obamas and their potatoes. Losers who hate steak! They hate America!
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Solkanar512 posted:What the gently caress is this poo poo, NPR?
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AmiYumi posted:Ugh some "expert" is on NPR comparing Trump's "Obama and Clinton are the Founder and MVP of ISIS" quotes (which they did at least play the direct audio of and fact-check as "no") to claims that Reagan is responsible for Al-Qaeda just because he equipped and supported the mujahadeen. As in, they're both just lies and slander. Well, they are both lies and slander. Carter and Brzezinski equipped and supported the Mujahadeen and deserves the credit for bringing down the soviets. E: this was covered
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"my dudes, I was just running for president for the lulz. you seriously think I want that job? You guys are like puppets on a string"
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Epic High Five posted:In the end, it is the iPhone ones that will be the most lunatic Don't forget Starbucks!
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