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LordSaturn posted:users are lying shitheads and will actively ruin your business buying a terrible competing product with a flashy UI when they know that's not what they want the best thing we ever did was install screen recording software on our terminal servers. all the data said the users were lying but its hard to convince dumbass managers that data is real so we'd spend shitloads of time trying to hunt down and fix problems they swore existed but didn't. then we got the screen recorder and they start freaking out cause we can point to exactly where they lied and did the wrong thing just like the data said they did.
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jony neuemonic posted:so uh, what's the correct way to build a .net web app now? i just realized yesterday that you can target .net 4.6 with asp.net core and that it's not limited to .net core. short version is if you aren't going to need a lot of 3rd party libs and don't want to use any windows-specific stuff and you're gonna do sprocs and poo poo rather than an ORM then go hog wild it's pretty ok and you can put it in a container real easy
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oh, do you still miss out on libraries and specific os features even when you target 4.6 instead of .net core?
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Aug 12, 2016 05:35
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nah, if you use asp.net core on .net 4.6 you get all those libraries that are in there. 4.6 is still windows only. regardless of if you use .net 4.6 or .net core, asp.net core has a few things here and there that aren't done yet on the asp.net side. like signalr support is more recent (tho u could hack it in before) and there are other aspnet things from asp.net 4.6 that haven't been ported yet, I cant think of them off the top of my head tho. then there are some 3rd party libs that are still being ported. ex: identityserver 4 is still a work in progress. if you're doing regular mvc/webapi stuff then ur probably fine to use it.
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Aug 12, 2016 05:56
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i'd like to spend some time with asp.net at some point but i don't web dev. at least i still get to write c#
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Aug 12, 2016 07:26
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Luigi Thirty posted:huh. i found the old 486SLC 25MHz laptop that my cousin gave me when he graduated college. i tried to run POLYGON.EXE on it and it just crashes. could be because i'm running it on a 486 with no FPU, it has 3MB of RAM, or something else! oh well you're not compiling it with 586 instructions are you?
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Aug 12, 2016 10:41
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Sweevo posted:you're not compiling it with 586 instructions are you? ah. that's probably it. i'll need to figure out how to set watcom to 486 with floating point emulation and not pentium pro
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Aug 12, 2016 13:20
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triple sulk posted:i'd like to spend some time with asp.net at some point but i don't web dev. at least i still get to write c#
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Aug 12, 2016 13:38
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St Evan Echoes posted:webapi is so good, its laughably easy to create web services in it
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Aug 12, 2016 13:45
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thanks shaggar and uncurable mlady, i'm going to give it a shot. 
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Aug 12, 2016 14:28
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St Evan Echoes posted:webapi is so good, its laughably easy to create web services in it suave + f# story last week I wanted to show off a bit, so I showed my boss a simple REST webservice with several endpoints I had written to query customer data and fidelity information (we'll need to build something like that in the near future, i won't be the one to do it but want to save my colleagues some pain if possible) then I gave him the full source code for it on a single sheet of A4 paper printed in landscape mode 32 lines including boilerplate he made a memorable face and asked if I was joking
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Aug 12, 2016 15:01
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well some fuzzy business logic may have led to our """"""independent"""""" contractors getting overpayed. patching this is gonna make me sad.
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Aug 12, 2016 15:44
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:so true. the whole reason theyre forcing this on me is that we lost a couple sales to trizetto and the feedback was basically "wow, your system is much more functional than theirs, but its just so ugly". people literally dont give a poo poo what your software does or how good it is if it doesnt look like a spaceships bleached butthole. get some bleach on their t shirts
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Aug 12, 2016 15:55
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maaan is there a case where Linux syscalls to connect(3) for TCP are allowed to return eaddrinuse when the {LocalIP:Port, RemoteIP:Port} tuples still have free entries or some poo poo?! Can't make sense of some errors I'm seeing.
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Aug 12, 2016 15:55
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CTO has ruled all employees and contractors at all locations must report to the office 5 days a week.... it's already a loving poo poo show finding parking with people working from home whenever they want best part is his reasoning because we're transitioning to agile.... loving lol
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Aug 12, 2016 15:58
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oh yay, the part of the software where my project is going is still vb6 and apparently i was told to do the card ui by someone who didnt know that. we dont have any native tools for that outside our .net stuff. except hes an important guy so he said "figure out how to do it anyway". talking to people from the team he used to be in charge of, it sounds like the only way to accomplish this (he makes this order a lot) is to use our embeddable browser control as the entire screen and then just write a bunch of html as string literals in vb6. kill me. at least some guy wrote a library to generate the common poo poo, so ill only need to write raw html for some of the finer details. but still, jesus christ. to reiterate, i am literally going to embed an ie10/11 window into a vb6 control, and then use that to show html to the end user. inside of a program that is built out of 100% vb6 assets so its gonna clash like all hell. sometimes i wish i worked on our clinical poo poo. the risk of killing someone is higher, but the tools are better and you get to use .net. nobody gives a poo poo about the poor ladies in the claims office except for me (even though i actively hate their employers because i am a filthy communist).
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Aug 12, 2016 16:03
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have you guys ever heard of windows' git's bash falling into infinite loops whenever autocomplete or the error ding is invoked? im trying to use docker on my work laptop but this terminal emulation thing is the most confusing and fuucked up poo poo i've ever seen
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Aug 12, 2016 16:03
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if spring is lol, what are you supposed to use to make a web in java?
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Aug 12, 2016 16:16
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:oh yay, the part of the software where my project is going is still vb6 and apparently i was told to do the card ui by someone who didnt know that. we dont have any native tools for that outside our .net stuff. can anyone at his level explain to him why that is poo poo?
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Corla Plankun posted:have you guys ever heard of windows' git's bash falling into infinite loops whenever autocomplete or the error ding is invoked? I remember having some issue like that I "solved" it by just using cygwin git instead 
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Aug 12, 2016 16:23
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Corla Plankun posted:have you guys ever heard of windows' git's bash falling into infinite loops whenever autocomplete or the error ding is invoked? stop using git bash and docker. they are all bad.
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Aug 12, 2016 16:23
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Wheany posted:if spring is lol, what are you supposed to use to make a web in java? All the ootb solutions in Java kinda suck honestly. Guice gives you nice dependency injection and it has some basic integrations with JPA and Servlets, I guess you could maybe do something with that. I usually end up writing my own bidirectional URL mapping thing on top of it though.
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Aug 12, 2016 16:29
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KidDynamite posted:can anyone at his level explain to him why that is poo poo? nope. leadership doesnt program much (despite all being upjumped programmers) and they are 100% about chasing trends and buzzwords these days. everybody is being told to do poo poo like this when they make new controls for vb6 portions of the system.
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Aug 12, 2016 16:30
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Mr Dog posted:All the ootb solutions in Java kinda suck honestly. if the alternatives are "uhh...", i think i'll just stick with spring then.
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spring was the epitome of everything bad about java last time I used it. like, bad enough that id need to see unanimous praise for it from everyone itt before I'd be willing to try it again. if spring is really the best answer then that's a pretty serious shortcoming imo. DONT THREAD ON ME fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Aug 12, 2016 |
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Aug 12, 2016 16:46
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dropwizard is cool but may or may not be appropriate for what you're doing, it's pretty minimal.
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There's stuff like Play or Dropwizard but it feels like those packages want you to write Python in Java.
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iirc using play from java is really obnoxious, but i only tried it briefly. it seemed very much designed around scala.
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I don't like dropwizard's config handling one bit Brb gonna define every setting in code, then again in a yaml template
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Aug 12, 2016 17:11
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Has anyone used UPX on their builds? Got some statically linked code that it'd be a good fit for
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:spring was the epitome of everything bad about java last time I used it. like, bad enough that id need to see unanimous praise for it from everyone itt before I'd be willing to try it again. i will post this every time spring is mentioned http://java.metagno.me/
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Looked like the worst case is someone using antivirus from 2009 could get a false positive or smth
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i hate the days after technical interviews where you second guess things you said like calling vector<bool> "a microcosm of everything wrong with c++"
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:spring was the epitome of everything bad about java last time I used it. like, bad enough that id need to see unanimous praise for it from everyone itt before I'd be willing to try it again. someone obviously never tried to use Struts~ Struts was the old "standard" and trying to use it is comparable to trying to reassemble a clutch while simultaneously sawing your own arm off compared to that Spring is loving fairy magic
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Mr Dog posted:There's stuff like Play or Dropwizard but it feels like those packages want you to write Python in Java. any time you need a 'lightweight' java thing you should just use go
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Aug 12, 2016 17:22
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hobbesmaster posted:i hate the days after technical interviews where you second guess things you said like calling vector<bool> "a microcosm of everything wrong with c++" wait in what way? like how it's implemented as a bitmap underneath?
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Progressive JPEG posted:wait in what way? like how it's implemented as a bitmap underneath? and because of that "optimization" breaks everything
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HoboMan posted:Spring is loving fairy magic LeftistMuslimObama posted:i will post this every time spring is mentioned
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Aug 12, 2016 17:26
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also spring names but sometimes he'll use a random Spanish word instead
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hobbesmaster posted:and because of that "optimization" breaks everything idk the only time I used it was when I wanted a dynamically sized bitmap
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