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So, how many percentage points deviation in Clinton's favor from the last pre-election polls will Trump's complete denial of a ground game deliver?
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zoux posted:US already Brexited in 1776 and canceled another Brexit with some vigorous debate from 1861-1865. Honestly, we made good calls on both instances at this point. We and India got out of that garbage fire when the getin was good. Now the rest of the isles have to deal with a post Cameron gently caress-up.
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Aug 12, 2016 17:48
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Deified Data posted:I remember a certain group of Bros who got in hot water for telling black people how to vote No, you don't understand. Killer Mike just doesn't know how to vote in his best interest.
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Aug 12, 2016 17:50
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Goatman Sacks posted:So, how many percentage points deviation in Clinton's favor from the last pre-election polls will Trump's complete denial of a ground game deliver? We don't know, because nobody's done this so badly before. Hillary's out there reminding people to register who wouldn't normally by the thousands, Trump isn't. It's free votes on the table he's not taking.
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Aug 12, 2016 17:52
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Business Gorillas posted:No, you don't understand. Killer Mike just doesn't know how to vote in his best interest. It's that he's voting (not voting?) like an entitled pasty white prick.
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Aug 12, 2016 17:52
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MariusLecter posted:It's that he's voting (not voting?) like an entitled pasty white prick. White people vote like this and black people vote like this
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theflyingorc posted:We don't know, because nobody's done this so badly before. Hillary's out there reminding people to register who wouldn't normally by the thousands, Trump isn't. It's free votes on the table he's not taking. Yeah polls are more likely to be overestimating his performance at this point rather than the reverse, imo. https://twitter.com/MattFriedmanNJ/status/764085843359215618 They also apparently had to talk him out of opening offices in every state, oh and he's spending this weekend campaigning in Connecticut.
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Aug 12, 2016 17:53
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John Dingell would like to remind all visitors to USPOL to please keep a proper sense of perspective. https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnDingell/status/764141623949271041
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Aug 12, 2016 17:54
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Business Gorillas posted:No, you don't understand. Killer Mike just doesn't know how to vote in his best interest. Haha, I saw that post you quoted and thought to myself, "I wonder how long it'll take BG to comment?" Five minutes. It took you five minutes.
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Deified Data posted:I remember a certain group of Bros who got in hot water for telling black people how to vote I'm black but thanks for the patronizing reply!
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Business Gorillas posted:No, you don't understand. Killer Mike just doesn't know how to vote in his best interest. Getting your meltdown started early today, I see. Goatman Sacks posted:So, how many percentage points deviation in Clinton's favor from the last pre-election polls will Trump's complete denial of a ground game deliver?
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Aug 12, 2016 17:55
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Nucleic Acids posted:I saw CNN reporting that, supposedly, the FBI and DOJ had talked about the Clinton Foundation. What they talked about I don't know, as I had to leave for work before CNN got to that report. The current story involves a high level advisor/aide(?) to Clinton during her time as Secretary of State also working (at the same time) at the Clinton Foundation. It starts to fizzle out though as it's been reported that she did it on her own time as a volunteer, in a unpaid position. The appearance though still stinks though. The other story that I haven't seen reported as much was the FBI had requested earlier in the year to the DoJ to start or inquire about starting a probe into the Clinton Foundation and the DoJ refused without giving any reason. These are off the top of my head so apologies if I got the details wrong.
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Aug 12, 2016 17:55
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I'm actually pretty firmly in the "Bernie would have been great but Hillary is also fine" camp, but if we're going to rake people over the coals for claiming to know what's in someone else's best interest better than they, let's at least be consistent. Either that or agree that certain candidates are objectively better for certain groups of people whether individuals in that group agree with you or not, i.e. Clinton vs. Trump.
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Aug 12, 2016 17:57
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Malmesbury Monster posted:That's a poor read on the UK situation. The Tories won election specifically by pandering to Brexit voters - Cameron promised to hold the referendum to sap support from UKIP, etc. If the anti-elitist voters had actually lost, there wouldn't have been a Brexit vote at all. Also, like Dexo said, there's just not that much room to grow for Trumpist populism. No no, I don't mean a literal Brexit by USA voters. I mean disaster wrought by anti-establishment reactionaries, not specifically white supremacism or succession. There's a significant population of Brexit and Trump/Bernie supporters who weren't espousing a policy position, they were just saying "the institution is rigged and I hate it". That hasn't gone away just because Trump is a clown. It'll resurface when we have a debt ceiling vote or something. When elites are warning about the disaster, the hoi polloi will be shouting "let's try it, you were wrong about NAFTA, you're wrong about this". Although they might come up with something catchier. Edit: and if anyone figures out how to be anti-establishment without being a racist about it, we're proper hosed. PerniciousKnid fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Aug 12, 2016 |
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Aug 12, 2016 17:59
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MariusLecter posted:It's that he's voting (not voting?) like an entitled pasty white prick. Sorry Killer Mike isn't voting black enough for you I guess? I mean it sounds like you're two inches away from calling him a race traitor
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Aug 12, 2016 18:00
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PerniciousKnid posted:No no, I don't mean a literal Brexit by USA voters. I mean disaster wrought by anti-establishment reactionaries, not specifically white supremacism or succession. This is already happening on a small scale in Tea Party-dominated states like Kansas.
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Aug 12, 2016 18:01
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Business Gorillas posted:Sorry Killer Mike isn't voting black enough for you I guess? I mean it sounds like you're two inches away from calling him a race traitor Boy you sure are getting unreasonably upset that people don't like your favorite mediocre performer's bad politics.
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Aug 12, 2016 18:02
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Deified Data posted:I'm actually pretty firmly in the "Bernie would have been great but Hillary is also fine" camp, but if we're going to rake people over the coals for claiming to know what's in someone else's best interest better than they, let's at least be consistent. Either that or agree that certain candidates are objectively better for certain groups of people whether individuals in that group agree with you or not, i.e. Clinton vs. Trump. Like most things I think there's nuance and a very fine line between something which is patronizing and not. Objectively, there exists candidates that are better for a) a person and/or b) a group, whether or not that person or group realizes it. People make their own perceptions on reality, but reality is just that. Assuming that a person always knows what's best for themselves is demonstrably false. The question is, who is qualified to to say what is best for said person?
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Aug 12, 2016 18:04
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haveblue posted:This is already happening on a small scale in Tea Party-dominated states like Kansas. Or Flint.
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So, since Bernie seems to have somehow forced Hillary to become hard-core opposed to TPP, what are the chances that the lame duck congress passes it?
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Aug 12, 2016 18:04
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I think they will, that works out best for everyone involved.
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Aug 12, 2016 18:06
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It's very very likely to pass.
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Aug 12, 2016 18:11
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greatn posted:I think they will, that works out best for everyone involved. The most likely things to come out of the lame duck session are TPP and Associate Justice Merrick Garland.
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Aug 12, 2016 18:13
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Good, hopefully Hillary has decided that it is going to pass before she assumes office, freeing her to publicly oppose it.
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Aug 12, 2016 18:14
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HorseRenoir posted:I like Killer Mike, but gently caress Killer Mike. Easy there commando, we still have a few months before the election. Mike's a smart guy, he'll come around.
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Aug 12, 2016 18:17
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Business Gorillas posted:No, you don't understand. Killer Mike just doesn't know how to vote in his best interest. He definitely told women that they weren't voting in their best interest.
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Aug 12, 2016 18:19
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There are some black people who won't vote for Clinton, that's fine, she can win without either of them.
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Aug 12, 2016 18:18
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ComradeCosmobot posted:John Dingell would like to remind all visitors to USPOL to please keep a proper sense of perspective. let me tell you about racism in board games
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https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/764126384885264384
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Aug 12, 2016 18:20
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I'm surprised that it's higher in NC than Florida.
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Aug 12, 2016 18:21
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Hilary Clinton has released her tax returns: http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37062123 (Let me know if this was already posted)
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Aug 12, 2016 18:22
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It is okay, however, to tell impoverished white people how stupid they are for voting against their own self interests.
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They were banking so hard on being able to run against the concept of an unpopular Obama third term. That combined with the fact that their 30 year long campaign to keep HRC out of the WH is going to end with her having the largest mandate of any Democratic president since LBJ makes me this guy irl 
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Grouchio posted:Hilary Clinton has released her tax returns: http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37062123 How much of it comes from Soros? Huh? HUH?!
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For those wondering, HRC paid just over a 30% effective tax rate which is less than in previous years but still in line with her rhetoric and policy. Trump will never release his tax returns so this is all kind of moot past being a talking point off the table for the GOP and another nail in the coffin of another bad newscycle for Trump.
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DemeaninDemon posted:How much of it comes from Soros? Huh? HUH?! All of it. Literally every column just reads SOROS.
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Boon posted:For those wondering, HRC paid just over a 30% effective tax rate which is less than in previous years but still in line with her rhetoric and policy.  Top story on cnn.com
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Aug 12, 2016 18:28
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Antti posted:There are some black people who won't vote for Clinton, that's fine, she can win without either of them. I had to read this twice and then choked back a laugh so hard my coworkers thought I swallowed something
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Or Flint. Oh right, Flint still has bad water but no one bothers to cover the situation further deteriorating because its old news and this is an election year.
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ImpAtom posted:All of it. Literally every column just reads SOROS. Usually he at least tries to hide it by spelling Soros backwards
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