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Malmesbury Monster posted:What I'm saying, though, is that the forces pushing Brexit didn't get stronger because politicians ignored them, they were strengthened because politicians enabled them. Cameron might've been the proximate cause, but the apathy directed by EU institutions toward the existential worries of the commoners is what fed the initial movement. The elites just say "GDP is increasing, everything is fine, we rock", up until GDP falls, then it's the common folk who are blamed and subjected to austerity.
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https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/764173187886223360 Is it possible for Trump's black support to go negative?
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Crow Jane posted:My weed dealer, a gay black man who relies on Obamacare and sells drugs for a living, was complaining about how both candidates are equally bad when I stopped by last week. I didn't even know where to begin to respond. You can't blame him, marijuana legalization would ruin his livelihood.
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Pakled posted:You can't blame him, marijuana legalization would ruin his livelihood. He could go legit. New dispensaries need some knowledgeable people.
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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:Ignoring 2020, since anyone who runs against 4 more years of mi abuela gets what they deserve, will 8 years be long enough to keep the petty fascists from just doing it again? What's to stop someone like a true-believer terrible person like say Laura Ingraham from Trumping her way into the nomination? The latest Keeping it 1600 had a good discussion with a republican PAC running joker named Mike Murphy. His thought is after Trump is crushed they will have a bit of an internal war that the "real conservatives" are gearing up to fight and that they need to pretty much trick minorities into liking them.
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Teddybear posted:He could go legit. New dispensaries need some knowledgeable people. Can you do that from your couch?
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haveblue posted:They're also likely to come up with new rules that give them much stronger ways to ratfuck the populist at the convention in the future. Convention is too late, IMHO. GOP primary voters were doing rally-round the-leader way before that (was it Indiana primary, or maybe earlier?), and seemed to have been ticked off by some delegate games before that. Going against the primary/party base electorate at that point would have had a high chance of blowing up the party (while they can hope things will blow over by next election...)
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Ice Phisherman posted:Yeah. That's what worries me about Trump. He himself is mercifully being rejected by sane people, but he has already done damage to the country just by indulging the worst of it for support. Giving validation to naked bullying, bigotry, and ignorance solely by rising so high. When he fails, still take decades to remove his stench. Yinlock posted:Their demographic isn't getting any younger, and without Scalia they won't be able to get away with nearly as many shenanigans to get around that. Old White People have been outnumbered, which is why they present this election as the CUSP OF APOCALYPSE and the Democrats are presenting it as A New Hope Yeah. The old, scared white demographic is at the tipping point in demographics. They cannot comprehend the world passing them by because they've always been part of the dominant bloc, so they have become desperate to prevent it from happening. Things have changed so much that even they can't really fool themselves with the old "silent majority" idea and latched onto Trump because they saw him as their last shot by mistaking his belligerence and ego for dedication. After this election, the Republicans will have to either change and stop pandering to this bloc or wither into irrelevance with them.
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The Republicans around me seem to be reduced to the point where their only hope rests in Julian Assange swinging onstage and tossing a bunch of paper mache thunderbolts to smite their enemies. I mean, they kind of realize they're in real deep poo poo. Speaking of which, I have a friend or two supporting Clinton who choose to consume themselves with worry about this same thing. My position is this: I think there's a remote possibility Wikileaks could have something that could have some impact on the election, although if they do it's probably something fairly weak sauce like this ambassador stuff that's just come out of Judicial Watch (I'm suspecting that was it, Assange's death blow that's gonna put Hillary in prison). But... Why worry about that? It's pointless. You might as well worry about some other rare event like your candidate literally getting struck by lightning before the election. It's a rare and unlikely event that you have no control over in any case. Furthermore, Trump's ship is on fire and sinking. If you were trying to help him, and sink her, and you had anything significant, why would you hold it in reserve at this point? Anything really damaging has a LOT more impact early in the race when you can tip the balance from a "strong Hillary win" with the associated narrative to a situation tilted towards Trump with associated narrative. October surprise stuff only might have impact if it's a close race like GWB/Gore or GWB/Kerry. If your candidate is at the point where they will very soon no longer be viewed as viable by almost anyone, whatever you have in reserve might not mean anything unless it's live boy dead girl territory. Does that reasoning not make sense? Zwabu fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Aug 12, 2016 |
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Mr Hootington posted:The latest Keeping it 1600 had a good discussion with a republican PAC running joker named Mike Murphy. His thought is after Trump is crushed they will have a bit of an internal war that the "real conservatives" are gearing up to fight and that they need to pretty much trick minorities into liking them. Hahahaha good loving luck - there are these things called "primaries" and if your goal is to lure minorities into the fold, you've kind of hosed yourself by training your base to the dogwhistle for the last 50 years.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There is no "they" left to coordinate attempts at reform. The party structure has too little remaining control over candidates and primaries. I always had a sense of this but I've never known just how extensive it was. Can you elaborate on this and/or do you have any links? Geostomp posted:That's what worries me about Trump. He himself is mercifully being rejected by sane people, but he has already done damage to the country just by indulging the worst of it for support. Giving validation to naked bullying, bigotry, and ignorance solely by rising so high. When he fails, still take decades to remove his stench. I think it's not exactly Trump that it's emanating from. He's both a cause and a symptom, but mostly I think he falls into the symptom category beyond pushing the whole birthing thing for most of a decade. I feel like the real problem is coming from a number of ultra-right and alt-right echo chambers where they only talk to themselves. On the shallow end you have places like Fox which honestly aren't as bad anymore, not because they've changed their format, but because the media has gotten worse. You also have churches which are encouraging strands of political thought which smash directly into pluralism and egalitarianism. I think the biggest dissemination though are right wing internet sites and right wing radio. Places where the last of the ad funding, which is now one of the last moderating factors (corporations), either doesn't exist or doesn't care if you say something racist or crazy because they're catering to a niche market.
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https://www.donaldjtrump.com/lp/volunteer-to-be-a-trump-election-observer Trump is looking for "Election Observers". Is this a normal thing that candidates/parties do, or is this gonna be some poo poo he's gonna use to cause poo poo after he loses horribly? "ALL OF MY ELECTION OBSERVERS REPORTED ELECTION FRAUD!(Because they saw someone who looked foreign)"
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wilderthanmild posted:https://www.donaldjtrump.com/lp/volunteer-to-be-a-trump-election-observer its usual
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Teddybear posted:He could go legit. New dispensaries need some knowledgeable people. Sadly people with criminal records are being locked out of the legal weed system, because god forbid we allow disadvantaged people to participate in a growing industry: http://www.vox.com/2016/3/17/11254852/marijuana-legalization-racism-industry
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Geostomp posted:That's what worries me about Trump. He himself is mercifully being rejected by sane people, but he has already done damage to the country just by indulging the worst of it for support. Giving validation to naked bullying, bigotry, and ignorance solely by rising so high. When he fails, still take decades to remove his stench. Nope, what you're seeing has always existed.
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wilderthanmild posted:https://www.donaldjtrump.com/lp/volunteer-to-be-a-trump-election-observer He's going to have no GOTV effort but will have election observers, so when they observe that everyone there is voting for Hillary they can claim it was rigged.
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wilderthanmild posted:https://www.donaldjtrump.com/lp/volunteer-to-be-a-trump-election-observer Nah, it's fairly standard for campaigns to have observers at polling places, especially in places they're concerned about. What role they can play varies from state to state, but I believe they can observe the counting and challenge ballots for inadequacy or error.
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Random rear end in a top hat posted:Sadly people with criminal records are being locked out of the legal weed system, because god forbid we allow disadvantaged people to participate in a growing industry: http://www.vox.com/2016/3/17/11254852/marijuana-legalization-racism-industry The legalization effort in Oakland CA is trying counteracting that by reserving 50% of permits for legal public weed stores for people who have been convicted of a drug crime or live in specific neighborhoods where drug arrests were high. Sadly few people who meet this qualification also have the money to open a new business as 50+% owner.
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Luigi Thirty posted:https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/764173187886223360 I wonder if he internally had to fight off a "black men aren't fathers" joke when he made that statement.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:its usual Help Me Stop Crooked Hillary From Rigging This Election!
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zoux posted:Here's Hannity trying to make the Hillary is frail conspiracy theory real. This video would be pathetic if it weren't so disturbing. They equate Hillary reacting to some reporter and tripping on a plane doorway to mental deficiency. Also he cites the front page of the Drudge Report as a source, specifically the 49% supporting candidates releasing medical records (ignoring the larger percentage who want to see Trump's taxes) Ben Carson joins him for commentary. Fun fact: Sean Hannity dropped out of college to become a conservative radio host. He does, however, have an honorary degree from Jerry Falwell's Liberty University. TheBigAristotle fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Aug 12, 2016 |
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Nate Silver writes up all our Clinton fan fiction with numbers attached to it: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-a-clinton-landslide-would-look-like/?ex_cid=538fb Nate Silver posted:We’re going to spend a lot of time over the next 87 days contemplating the possibility of a Donald Trump presidency. Trump is a significant underdog — he has a 13 percent chance of winning the election according to our polls-only model and a 23 percent chance according to polls-plus. But those probabilities aren’t that small. For comparison, you have a 17 percent chance of losing a “game” of Russian roulette.
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Luigi Thirty posted:https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/764173187886223360 Do you mean be so racist that even the KKK shakes it head and goes, "uh, tone it down" or just general moderate flight from the Repubs?
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axeil posted:Nate Silver writes up all our Clinton fan fiction with numbers attached to it: Now I know which states should be destroyed first, if ever given that capability.
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Teddybear posted:He could go legit. New dispensaries need some knowledgeable people. Doubtful. There's a few articles and public radio pieces about black people getting hosed out of the legal marijuana business. A whitewashing of the green gold rush is you will.
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 21:01 |
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Gallup finds that Trump supporters aren't disproportionately affected by trade or immigration and are not disproportionately poor or unemployed compared to non-Trump supporters. I guess we'll never know what drives their support for him! (they're racist)
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Trump surrogates still fighting the good fight. https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/764188155171991552
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Grundulum posted:There appears to be a very very vocal part of the "progressive/left-leaning" population who believes that Hillary Clinton and the DNC cannot, axiomatically cannot, do anything good. Anything that Clinton says is either a lie to earn her votes (if they agree with it), or her true opinion that will be enacted as soon as she is in office (if they disagree). Among my friends list, these people went hard for Sanders and are now equally enthusiastic for Jill loving Stein. I think Hillary and her people have made as many, or nearly as many, concessions as are actually possible for her to make, so people on the left who won't vote for her should be open that there's nothing she can actually do at this point to get their votes. On the other hand, there's a very very vocal part of the Hillary supporting camp that seemingly cannot deal with the idea that there are people further to the left than Hillary or the current Democratic Party, and think that Hillary has now been crowned Most Progressive you're axiomatically not allowed not to support her and fry their brains when confronted by people who don't icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Aug 12, 2016 |
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TheBigAristotle posted:This video would be pathetic if it weren't so disturbing. They equate Hillary reacting to some reporter and tripping on a plane doorway to mental deficiency. Also he cites the front page of the Drudge Report as a source, specifically the 49% supporting candidates releasing medical records (ignoring the larger percentage who want to see Trump's taxes) The irony of asking Sleepy Ben Carson if Clinton's brain is slowing down.
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Hannity is gonna get better and better as we go on. https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/763933107972026370
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Can we weigh in on whether or not Hannity stopped beating his wife?
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zoux posted:Hannity is gonna get better and better as we go on. Who is he talking about?
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Dexo posted:Who is he talking about? Hillary was assigned a case early in her legal career to defend a man accused of sexual assault on a minor.
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Dexo posted:Who is he talking about?
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Dexo posted:Who is he talking about? Trump?
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https://twitter.com/JanieFierce/status/764105372021956608 Hahaha
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Dexo posted:Who is he talking about? A case Clinton took in the 1970s that she was assigned to as a public defender. The full story: Accusation: Clinton took the case Response: Clinton was assigned the case, public defenders are supposed to defend guilty people, it's what they do. Clinton also literally tried to NOT take the case, but they told her she had to Accusation: She accused the girl in the case of making things up Response: Distasteful, but basically her job as public defender Accusation: She laughed about knowing her client was guilty Response: No, she laughed at her own folly for believing polygraphs were reliable, when she watched her client lie during one and come back clean
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Dexo posted:Who is he talking about?
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Sir Tonk posted:Now I know which states should be destroyed first, if ever given that capability. In 2006, Barbara Cubin (R) won her reelection in Wyoming by just under 1,000 votes. I don't know what magic the DNC pulled off in 2006 was, but I still dream of it finally working in a state that blood red.
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icantfindaname posted:I think Hillary and her people have made as many, or nearly as many, concessions as are actually possible for her to make, so people on the left who won't vote for her should be open that there's nothing she can actually do at this point to get their votes. On the other hand, there's a very very vocal part of the Hillary supporting camp that seemingly cannot deal with the idea that there are people further to the left than Hillary or the current Democratic Party, and think that Hillary has now been crowned Most Progressive you're axiomatically not allowed not to support her and fry their brains when confronted by people who don't I don't have a problem with that, I do have a problem with completely insufferable shitlords who are willing to throw away all the progress that has been made because it's Not Left Enough and also Hillary Bad.
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