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Gammatron 64 posted:It's funny you mention that though, because people in here keep talking about designs they find ugly. If you really want some ugly designs that make no sense, look no further than STO. I mean, just look at these monstrosities: The best part is that, if I remember right, these are all the original set of ships that came with the game. There've been a lot of new classes come out since then and some are ok, others are just as cringeworthy. Evek posted:There's a non-canon Horta crewed one. Its just full of artificial rock for them to reshape as needed. "Please for the last time stop trying to eat the warp core." "Spacedock we need a few tons of gravel."
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How do you build a ship for the Horta that prevents them from burrowing straight out into space?
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Mortanis posted:Yeah, as someone that plays STO, I can't think of a non show/movie ship they've created that I don't immediately hate. There's a few that elicit an apathetic "meh" at best. The top half is glass, with has a little beach with a desert island and a sailboat inside.
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 22:24 |
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Tunicate posted:The risian luxury cruiser is pretty great Transparent aluminum!
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Cojawfee posted:How do you build a ship for the Horta that prevents them from burrowing straight out into space?
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 22:33 |
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 22:38 |
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I literally just finished this episode. I haven't watched Voyager consistently for years, but seriously, this is TNG Season 7: The Series.
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 22:59 |
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Speaking of modular ship designs, does anyone remember a game from (I wanna say) 98-2004 that let you mix and match parts and crews to make your own ships? I think it was technically an add-on for some other game. ed: Found it, it was literally just "Starship Creator" Big Mean Jerk fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Aug 12, 2016 |
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Gammatron 64 posted:It's funny you mention that though, because people in here keep talking about designs they find ugly. If you really want some ugly designs that make no sense, look no further than STO. I mean, just look at these monstrosities: "You liked Starcraft 2, right?"
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Speaking of modular ship designs, does anyone remember a game from (I wanna say) 98-2004 that let you mix and match parts and crews to make your own ships? I think it was technically an add-on for some other game. I remember this, it was pretty disappointing.
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 23:23 |
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:it was pretty disappointing. This can be said of, like, every Star Trek game except 25th Anniversary, Judgment Rites, A Final Unity (although gently caress some of the puzzles in that), Elite Force, Armada and Bridge Commander.
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Gammatron 64 posted:It's funny you mention that though, because people in here keep talking about designs they find ugly. If you really want some ugly designs that make no sense, look no further than STO. I mean, just look at these monstrosities: Worth noting that most of these are from launch, the game was rushed out the door in about a year and a half (which is loving insane for an MMO) for contractual reasons. They've come up with a much better and more consistent theme for their new ship designs. Excelsior refit: Constitution refit v2: Akira refit: Galaxy refit: Defiant refit: Nothing amazing, but much better than what they did at launch.
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 23:32 |
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Veotax posted:Worth noting that most of these are from launch, the game was rushed out the door in about a year and a half (which is loving insane for an MMO) for contractual reasons. Didn't Cryptic have to rush it because the original developer (which had a much more impressive design for the game, as I recall) went broke and had to surrender the license?
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 23:34 |
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Timby posted:Didn't Cryptic have to rush it because the original developer (which had a much more impressive design for the game, as I recall) went broke and had to surrender the license? Basically yes. STO is a shambling frankenstein built on the corpse of Champions Online.
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 23:35 |
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Didn't Gene have some 'rules' for Federation starship design that boiled down to "nacelles always in pairs, nothing between them, nothing in front of the Bussard scoops, bridge on top of the saucer"? They got pretty good results from them...
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 23:47 |
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To the point where hidden console commands from CO were still resident in the client, which didn't take long for people to have rainbow and piss beam boats (CO allowed you to change your superhero power colors and beam weapons were just a skin on that old system). The game was poo poo at launch. Kinda fun now, in a "watch tv while pressing buttons" way, but it's not a deep or complicated game.
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 23:49 |
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Timby posted:This can be said of, like, every Star Trek game except 25th Anniversary, Judgment Rites, A Final Unity (although gently caress some of the puzzles in that), Elite Force, Armada and Bridge Commander. Based on what we got on release, I honestly found Bridge Commander more disappointing than Klingon Academy. I mean, yeah, the KA Mission Builder never happening was really disappointing and the game could be pretty buggy, but I never felt quite so bait-and-switched by that as I did by Totally Games saying "we want to 'accurately' model the ships on the show, yeah some ships are going to be straight-up weaker than others, we'll do a points-value system for multiplayer" and then nope the ships are largely balanced against each other, oh also you get like twelve ships total. The game reeked to me of "gently caress it, the fans are going to flesh it out with mods anyway". That said, I will definitely concede that BC is the technically superior platform and that the fans really did do a hell of a job expanding it out.
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 23:50 |
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The most bullshit thing about Bridge Commander was having most of your first ten missions or whatever be in that goddamn nebula. gently caress.
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 23:54 |
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I just played the demo over and over. It was kinda fun watching 10 Galaxy classes phaser the poo poo out of each other. You could also manually aim and slice off nacelles.
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# ? Aug 12, 2016 23:58 |
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Star Trek Academy was pretty awesome. (Or at least I thought it was when I was a little lass.)
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Zurui posted:Star Trek Academy was pretty awesome. (Or at least I thought it was when I was a little lass.) I liked the cinematics (and the opening theme was pretty sweet). The gameplay itself felt like Wing Commander with a Star Trek skin. Klingon Academy fixed that quite a bit, but both games were running on a completely broken engine.
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# ? Aug 13, 2016 00:10 |
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I had Starfleet Academy Simulator for the SNES because my computers could only ever barely run games, it's graphics were poo poo but you could fly low poly models of all the TOS movie ships including some ridiculous Excelsior variant that could spam torpedoes if you knew the right button combo to unlock it
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# ? Aug 13, 2016 00:14 |
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At the end of STB, they show the time lapse construction of the 1701A. Are there any good hi res shots of it out there? I want to be excited about it, but there was so little screen time with the first 1701, that I'm not sure what the big differences are.
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# ? Aug 13, 2016 00:30 |
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I remember buying that Dominion Wars game and realizing very quickly that it was completely broken. A similar thing happened with another game, New Worlds. I'm glad we're not in that era of gaming. Then of course there was that bug that made it impossible back in the day to play a game of BotF past a certain point.
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# ? Aug 13, 2016 00:32 |
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I had fun with the PS2 game about Sulu and the Excelsior being stuck in the Mirror universe. You got to fly around having dog fights in evil versions of TOS episodes.
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# ? Aug 13, 2016 00:37 |
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Knormal posted:Ten years before TOS means there's basically no way they can do sets that don't either look completely dated or invalidate TOS. And that glowing blue deflector dish is completely anachronistic. But oh well, I'll take some new Trek however I can get it. I'd also much rather see something post-DS9/VOY or movie-era/pre-TNG, but not enough to not watch the new show. This is one of those things where you accept real life reasons for having CRT monitors in the 23rd century rather than saying that the aesthetic is actually canon.
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# ? Aug 13, 2016 00:45 |
Yeah, I think it'd be easy to reconcile some of the elements of the TOS aesthetic while having touches and notes indicating that, yes, it's still the future. Maybe Spock's weird viewer thing was some kind of hyper-augmented reality that his hobgoblin brain could process, which they didn't leave flashing because it would spook the hew-mons.
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# ? Aug 13, 2016 01:06 |
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Similarly, the Ent Klingon augment arc was dumb af (and I like Ent). They should have left it as a one-off joke in DS9, or at worst, actually canon but with the details left to the imagination.
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# ? Aug 13, 2016 01:20 |
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"This man is a Klingon!" He shaved. The uncanny depths of Klingon medical practitioners uncovered!
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# ? Aug 13, 2016 01:31 |
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In Eddington's quarters they found PADDs with titles like "Captain Sisko: Secret Klingon or Klingon Informant? You decide!" and "What the Federation Networks aren't telling you about Jaresh-Inyo!"
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# ? Aug 13, 2016 01:41 |
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Mortanis posted:Yeah, as someone that plays STO, I can't think of a non show/movie ship they've created that I don't immediately hate. There's a few that elicit an apathetic "meh" at best. What's wrong with the Odyssey class?!
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# ? Aug 13, 2016 01:48 |
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Oh yeah, on the subject of Trek games...I weakened and reinstalled STO recently, and I had a spin with the new "Temporal Agent" character type. You get to play as a 23rd century Starfleet captain and play around in that time period for your first few levels before you're dumped into the main Federation campaign. It's cute seeing everything done in the TOS style, but for me the best part was that Daniels from Enterprise shows up, and the game's storyline makes him a complete piece of poo poo. I'm serious. You start off in your little putt-putt ship, fistfighting guys in rubber costumes at the Vasquez Rocks, then one of your security guys introduces himself as Daniels and lays this whole "temporal cold war" thing on you. At first it's all fun and games; you get to run around in the background of "Journey to Babel," keeping the Time Nosferatus from whacking Kirk. Then you pop back in time to just before "The Tholian Web" to watch the 400 men and women of the USS Defiant die horrible deaths, only to be told you can't do anything because timeline. Finally, you end up in a big battle with the Klingons and are completely outmatched, resulting in the loss of your ship. Quick as a flash, Daniels pops you into the tardis, tells you that history says you died at that battle, but because you're such a valuable asset, he's gonna download a bunch of information into your brain and dump you in the early 25th century where you'll do some work for him on the side. So, just imagine the scene: this Andorian lady in the TOS onepiece comes stumbling out of a broom closet, blearily glaring at the lights and displays of Earth Spacedock, while all around her people are saying "gnarly costume, bra." All the while she's thinking My family is dead. All my friends are dead. Everything I knew and loved about the world is gone. I have a migraine and my eyes aren't focusing right. I am now time bitch for Sheldon from "The Big Bang Theory" for the rest of my life, which, considering he is a time lord, will probably last until sometime after the Sun has shriveled into a black husk. And there is no one in the universe that I can talk to about this. In other words, Crewman Daniels is the reason I cut. Mind you, it's not all bad. The only free TOS ship you get is the Pioneer class, which pretty much the hull profile for the patrol escort (engineer-heavy tac ship) with TOS parts. Nice design for a little putt-putt ship.
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# ? Aug 13, 2016 01:55 |
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Aw, they have short busses in the future.
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# ? Aug 13, 2016 02:07 |
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It looks like it has really puffy nipples.
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# ? Aug 13, 2016 02:17 |
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*sees first and second screenshots* "Oh that seems like a perfectly serviceable des-" *scrolls down to third pic*
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# ? Aug 13, 2016 02:53 |
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That's probably the only good design that has ever come out of STO.
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# ? Aug 13, 2016 02:56 |
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Veotax posted:Worth noting that most of these are from launch, the game was rushed out the door in about a year and a half (which is loving insane for an MMO) for contractual reasons. These are just as bad.
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# ? Aug 13, 2016 03:11 |
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That Excelsior refit is Grandfather's Axe as gently caress.
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# ? Aug 13, 2016 03:19 |
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Marshal Radisic posted:Oh yeah, on the subject of Trek games...I weakened and reinstalled STO recently, and I had a spin with the new "Temporal Agent" character type. You get to play as a 23rd century Starfleet captain and play around in that time period for your first few levels before you're dumped into the main Federation campaign. It's cute seeing everything done in the TOS style, but for me the best part was that Daniels from Enterprise shows up, and the game's storyline makes him a complete piece of poo poo. Woah woah woah. Back up. How did you get STO to run instead of hanging at the loading screen?
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# ? Aug 13, 2016 03:29 |
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Does STO still require that you pay real money for every single decent ship class?
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