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MikeJF posted:My battery is currently sitting at 62% charge and the percentages listed add up to 80. Then I guess the 'computed power use' is completely hosed. E: Unless you topped up your battery at any point? chippy fucked around with this message at 10:02 on Aug 16, 2016 |
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It makes more sense if you were using android for the brief period we had the 'gently caress knows' battery section displayed, I can't remember exactly what it was called But that dude is wrong, its a percentage of used battery, not the total Its always been that way, it's just not all the info is shown so the numbers don't seem to add up
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Aug 16, 2016 10:47
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Skarsnik posted:It makes more sense if you were using android for the brief period we had the 'gently caress knows' battery section displayed, I can't remember exactly what it was called Android System and Android OS were the biggest catchalls. You could even have both at the same time. How those differed from Phone Idle was a mystery.
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Nah there was a specific line separate to those for a bit E: found it 
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Skarsnik posted:Nah there was a specific line separate to those for a bit Wow, I can't believe I've never seen that. That must've been only on the original 5.0 given that that's Lollipop but before they stopped making the numbers add up to 100%. On the one hand I get how Miscellaneous is useless, but so is Android OS, Android System, and Google Play Services. The whole screen is of dubious utility unless it can tell the user which app is invoking things and apparently that's just not possible.
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I've tried to find a post I made with the explanation of it back in the day but no joy It really was a  line though, with googles support page essentially saying it was everything left after the known values We know x, and we know y, but the total battery use is more so here is 'misc' PS: gently caress you nerd
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Aug 16, 2016 11:56
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My phone's battery stats have always been consistent with "percentage of total battery" rather than battery used since last charge. It might be different for each phone model or for specific variations of android? Here's the current screen (Moto X 2014 at 93% battery, having been unplugged for about 3.5 hours):  At the end of the day those numbers have always increased to be about 8-10% or so, depending on how I've used my phone. It never adds up exactly, but I assume that's down to rounding and completely omitting things that have used less than 1%. It's Android though so it's entirely possible my phone just hasn't got a clue about the missing 95% and these stats are therefore 100% useless.
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Aug 16, 2016 12:04
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I just assume the battery screen is a filthy lie.
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Aug 16, 2016 12:14
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HelixFox posted:My phone's battery stats have always been consistent with "percentage of total battery" rather than battery used since last charge. It might be different for each phone model or for specific variations of android? You wouldn't get an accurate reading at 93% anyway. Not that it matters, look at how much falls into Miscellaneous on Skarsnik's screenshot. The stats are completely worthless in every way and even the advanced kind you can get with root are pretty difficult to interpret. The best Android can tell you is what the wakelock is and not what invoked it. Additionally, some things (think location services) work where multiple apps can request the same data so Android gives them the data it has but maybe one app wants updated data so Play Services just gets hammered so even with a specific wakelock you might not be able to narrow it down to a particular app. Unless an app uses an oddball wakelock that you can Google for, you're generally in the dark about where it's coming from. Given that even if the user has all of the data stats are impossible to figure out it's not surprising that the simplified version is completely uninformative. docbeard posted:I just assume the battery screen is a filthy lie. This is the correct thing to do.
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Aug 16, 2016 12:24
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That Engadget link keeps saying that Duo is available today. It links to other articles also written today that say the same thing. It's not up on the store though.
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Aug 16, 2016 12:30
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Miscellaneous includes things like the resistive load of pocket lint in the USB connector.
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Aug 16, 2016 12:31
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Jerk McJerkface posted:That Engadget link keeps saying that Duo is available today. It links to other articles also written today that say the same thing. It's not up on the store though. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.tachyon shows COMING SOON on the index and a "Pre-register" button for me. I don't think I'll be installing that, since I'm predicting a market prenetration of 0.1% at best. Maybe if it gets preinstalled on Samsung phones or something.
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HelixFox posted:My phone's battery stats have always been consistent with "percentage of total battery" rather than battery used since last charge. It might be different for each phone model or for specific variations of android? I've been keeping an eye on it as the day progresses. Screen for me is on 4% - 147 mAh used which is 4.14% of the total battery capacity so currently they're still consistent with that. The percentages on those items could add to more than you've used if you top your battery up. I'm just gonna have a look at the source code when I get a chance and confirm it once and for all.
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Tamba posted:Can you flash an image (with an untouched system partition, but modified user data) without unlocking the bootloader though? Because doing so when Samsung Knox is involved seems like a bad idea. Thanks for the advice, everyone. We are in a weird spot with this initial batch of phones. They are having some custom software loaded onto them and then being resold to customers. I'm working on some long term plans to use an MDM solution in the future, but for now I just need to strip out the useless apps, add our software and then I'm not touching these phones again. We may start reselling Verizon service to our customers soon, at which point we'll start the process of using an MDM to manage those devices. I think I will work on the batch file just to get through this round of phones.
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bull3964 posted:Hangouts is dead, long live hangouts
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Grim Up North posted:https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.tachyon I was able to download and install it, but I am running a Nexus 6 currently. I'll have to check after work if the GF can get it on her Turbo
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The Merkinman posted:Even more of a push to get people off of Hangouts? So I guess I can use Nope. They're pretty adamant about it being mobile-only.
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chippy posted:I think you're wrong.. My battery's on 92% currently. The top item is 'screen'. It shows 1% and the computed power use is 41mAh. 41 mAh is 1.18% of 3450mAh, the total battery capacity. There are another 3 items, all similar levels of use (25-40mAh) all around 1% of the total battery capacity, and all showing 1%. These figures are all consistent with that percentage being 1% of the total battery capacity, not the total battery usage.
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DangerZoneDelux posted:I can't be the only one that hates how awful hangouts is on mobile now. It runs like dog poo poo on my Nexus 6. constant crashing and other bugs and it's not occasionally, a short convo will have an issue every time.  Captain Yossarian posted:I was able to download and install it, but I am running a Nexus 6 currently. I'll have to check after work if the GF can get it on her Turbo On my phone, in the play store, I couldn't install it. Just said coming soon or whatever. Then I followed the link to the play store from the AP article on my computer, and I could install it to my Turbo. Not sure why.
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Captain Yossarian posted:I was able to download and install it, but I am running a Nexus 6 currently. I'll have to check after work if the GF can get it on her Turbo I was also able to download and install. MXP.
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ilkhan posted:One of the recent versions changed it to percentage of total battery capacity. Yep, that's certainly what it seems to be on my 6P, but there are others in this thread that maintain this is not the case.
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myron cope posted:Interesting, thanks! I also hadn't heard about the watch(es) at all. I have a Pebble but may check one of those out too. What is the purpose of LTE in a watch? To use the watch without a phone at all? I thought that was the point of Android Wear LTE's purpose in Wear 1.X was the same as Wifi: expanding the range in which the phone and watch can communicate so that the Watch can retain full functionality in more places (e.g. gym when the phone is in a locker). It also enabled call forwarding. LTE in Wear 2.0 is more self-explanatory since they've moved away from the Phone companion paradigm and just have the apps connect to the internet directly. Though since watches on Wear 2.0 preferentially bridge their internet connections from the phone over bluetooth when it's in range (for power savings) it's effectively the same thing. Nifty posted:My battery life has become poo poo on my Galaxy S7, and "Android System" is to blame. Consistently takes up 30+% of my battery life. I have not rooted my device. I cannot think of any specific app or change I made now that the battery life is bad. I looked up battery monitoring and appears the device needs to be rooted which I am not going to do. Any advice? A Google search is misleading, you don't need root to access those stats. The XDA community is/was so wound up about the batterystatsservice becoming locked behind a system permission and breaking their apps (despite it never being an official thing to be used in the first place) that they never realized that an alternative was added to the system itself via ADB. If you've got that set up hook up to a PC, open up command prompt/terminal, navigate to a directory you like* and do this: code:Battery.txt is pretty human readable, the only potential snag a normal would fall into is that it uses Linux process id instead the human readable app name. So in your case it will be "uuid 1000" instead of the "Android System" you saw on the phone. However, once you've decoded which number belongs to which app (by using the battery stats on the phone as a decoder ring against the "Estimated battery use" section in battery.txt) it's just a case of searching for the number (1000) to find every wakelock belonging to that process and eventually the handy breakdown it provides of the entire process. The "Discharge step durations" at the start is also quite useful for narrowing down when exactly the battery drain happened. Zorilla posted:"Android System": the svchost.exe of Android These days its usually pretty benign unless you're using a Samsung like the OP (the more stuff you add, the more stuff that can go wrong):  Thermopyle posted:You are a wrong person. You're actually both right. In 4.4 and under it was "calculated usage as a percentage of total calculated usage" VS 5.0+'s "calculated usage as percentage of total battery capacity". Skarsnik posted:Its always been that way, it's just not all the info is shown so the numbers don't seem to add up The reason the numbers don't add up is a real world consequence of the way power calculations are done. Roughly speaking there are two principal parts: power_profile.xml in /system where the power usage of that devices base components (CPU, screen, Wifi etc) are defined in maH and batterystats.bin in /data which stores the time each app/process uses the devices base components. So with the Nexus 6P in normal conditions (Scenario A), if App A uses Wifi for 3 hours that would be 82.0 * 3 = 246 maH or 7%. Now imagine (Scenario B), where App A on the Nexus 6P also uses Wifi for 3 hours. But unbeknown to the user, some local anti-austerity protest gnomes hijack the laws of electromagnetics and impose a 5x WIFI power use tax until the government gives in to their demands (Why? Because I'm too lazy to think of something better that's why). The actual use would be 410.0 * 3 = 2050 or 35%, but the device would display the exact same 246/7% usage as Scenario A since the device is dependent on essentially a static text file to make the calculation. Now replace "normal conditions" in Scenario A with "when the device works properly" and the gnomes in Scenario B with "Complex web of issues with Commodity electronics/drivers/Linux". It's not "hiding" anything. The OS just doesn't know. A generated battery.txt calls it "unaccounted". quote:Miscellaneous also had a disclaimer which explained everything:  Your screenshot is precisely where the older Kitkat method was worthless. The Kitkat version of this screen would've shown Play Music, Screen, and Cell standby with big percentages without ever mentioning the battery stats only accounted for 30% of the total device power use, leading the user down a wild goose chase of wakelocks and/or screaming at the Play music team on Google groups. chippy posted:Then I guess the 'computed power use' is completely hosed. Just like the devices actual power usage can be more than the calculated usage, it can also be less.
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Dear Google, Stop with all the messaging app bullshit, all I want is for you to build Mighty Text functionality into Messenger so I can get my SMS everywhere.
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Duo is finally rolling out. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.tachyon&hl=en AP also put it on their APK Mirror site: https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google-inc/duo-by-google/duo-by-google-1-0-130018012-rc1_rc29-release/ AndroidPolice has had access to Duo (and most likely Allo) for a while now. The EIC says it works VERY well, even drops the device from WiFi if your video is slow and will move to mobile data. However, if that doesn't work, it'll drop video all together and you can still use voice. The huge problem? You can ONLY use Duo (and Allo, most likely) on one device and that's it. There is no web app or anything as duo.google.com leads to a promo page for it. I can't get it to install on my WiFi Nexus 7 2013, but since it will drop down to mobile data, I'm not 100% surprised. ThermoPhysical fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Aug 16, 2016 |
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Also, from looking over some of the reviews, Duo rings through any priority/silent setting you have, and you have to answer the call and hang up, there's no way to refuse the call.
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hooah posted:Also, from looking over some of the reviews, Duo rings through any priority/silent setting you have, and you have to answer the call and hang up, there's no way to refuse the call. Oh boy. And it's all phone number based and has that knock-knock 'show video before you answer thing'. Lot of women going to be getting 'look at my dick' calls.
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Installed Duo. Now I just need to know a single person in the real world that plans on installing it...
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Red Warrior posted:Oh boy. And it's all phone number based and has that knock-knock 'show video before you answer thing'. Lot of women going to be getting 'look at my dick' calls. Luckily, you can turn that off but it's on by default.
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nocal posted:Installed Duo. Now I just need to know a single person in the real world that plans on installing it... tell them that they'll get a Knock Knock from your dick
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LastInLine posted:Nope. They're pretty adamant about it being mobile-only.
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Is there a combination of root and app/cyanogenmod that will let me install apps to sd without adopting the card as internal storage? My Moto X Pure just ate another loving sd card. Nothing even detects it exists. Lost stuff on it since my backups failed and nothing decided to complain. I don't want to do this again, and my actual internal storage is too drat small.
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Vagrancy posted:good post You fucker, I just spend 45 minutes digging through AOSP to come back and make a post half as good as yours but saying the same thing.
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HelixFox posted:(Moto X 2014 at 93% battery, having been unplugged for about 3.5 hours): What sorcery is this?
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nimper posted:What sorcery is this?  I probably don't use it as much as most people in this thread, as I don't need it for navigation and don't keep the screen on when I'm listening to podcasts, etc. I also check the battery page every now and then and delete apps that I feel like are using too much for how much I use them.It's at 80% after about 9 hours, and the numbers on the usage page add up to 18%. Seems to pretty obviously be percentage of total capacity.
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Is there a site or something where I can input my current phone and money I'm willing to spend on a new handset to see if getting a new one is worth it? I've currently got a Sony Xperia Z3 Compact and I'm looking to see if I should get a new phone or not. I'm on a SIM only contract so I can get pretty much any phone I want to buy. There's plenty of comparison sites but some stats just aren't that useful (1.2 Ghz but four cores! What does that mean for day to day use?) and I can find reviews for individual handsets but it's hard to tell from them if the experience is better than what I've already got or not. Maybe I'm just itching to spend money for no reason though.
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Is Carbonite the best choice for SMS backup (without root)? I'm itching for my Note 7 and wanted to make sure my current phone is and ready to switch.
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HelixFox posted:Seems to pretty obviously be percentage of total capacity. Yes, as mentioned by Vagrancy a couple posts up (and which I can confirm after checking the source), it was changed to be percentage of total capacity in 5.0.
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CLAM DOWN posted:Is Carbonite the best choice for SMS backup (without root)? I'm itching for my Note 7 and wanted to make sure my current phone is and ready to switch. I've been using Carbonite (aka SMS Backup and Restore) for ages and never had an issue. Backup, upload to Google Drive, setup new phone, download from google drive, restore messages.
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CLAM DOWN posted:Is Carbonite the best choice for SMS backup (without root)? I'm itching for my Note 7 and wanted to make sure my current phone is and ready to switch.
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