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nachos posted:Wasn't there a graphic posted here about how terrorism and the national debt are basically white people problems? Meanwhile blacks and Hispanics care mostly about racism, police, education, etc. I would love to see more data like that. Well, they're definitely white people problems considering we don't have to worry that much about being shot dead by a police officer for the offense of being black. I don't think it'd be possible to pretend to care about those things when you're living under a de facto occupying army of 'peace officers.'
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The Iron Rose posted:I'm less worried about a terrorist attack killing me than I am about the damage terrorist networks do to american interests worldside, and that, along with foreign policy generally, is my predominant concern in any election. in their totality, the amount of damage terrorist networks do to American interests worldwide can be summed up as "LOL." in the past twenty years, our losses to terrorist attacks have been two eyesores in new york, one lovely little ship, and a couple of attacks on embassies. by any historical standard this is cost-of-doing-business poo poo. terrorist-inflicted damage to our interests doesn't even rise to the level of a rounding error on american global power. the most egregious outside defeat we have suffered was when it turned out that if you give Egyptians the vote, they vote to say "gently caress America," so we quietly worked around some of our "no funding coups" laws to make sure an American-friendly dictatorship could get back in the driver's seat. now, the amount of damage America has done to American interests worldwide in the name of swatting gnats with enough force to get Team Bomb Iran to climax, that's quite another story, but it's one that tends to annoy you to tell. Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Aug 16, 2016 |
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https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/765563431416193024 lol It could be fairly close here.
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ReidRansom posted:https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/765563431416193024 So that's like 3% of Texas' population, right?
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ImpAtom posted:So that's like 3% of Texas' population, right? It's the majority of the population (clustered in major cities), but all the rural bumfucklands in between screw us over.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Hillary up 9 points in new NBC poll proving that her convention 'bounce' is the new normal. 
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iospace posted:On that note, how does NBC do it? They had Tom Brokaw, who is well loved, Brian Williams was just as well received until it came out he lied about a few things, and Lester Holt is also kickass. Look at the other networks, and when their big 1990s national news anchors retired they had revolving doors for a while. They had Tim Russert too, who was very highly regarded (maybe overmuch). I didn't care for Luke though, whoever first called him the dauphin of NBC was dead on the money. He's gone as of July though.
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WampaLord posted:What exactly do you mean by "American interests worldwide?" The Iron Rose wishes for an American Empire to rule the world
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theflyingorc posted:The word has existed for a really, really, REALLY long time, and has been used as an insult for a long time, as well. Right, but you weren't going to see it outside Chaucer or Shakespeare -- it wasn't a modern insult. I think it's gained prevalence because people are realizing you can't call people homosexual slurs, and you can't use gendered slurs, so they want another insult that means "sexually passive". Plus it has a racial connotation in pornography but isn't explicitly racist. It's a win win all around.
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ImpAtom posted:So that's like 3% of Texas' population, right? The last proper secession poll I could find was 2011 and only had 18% support. Even assuming it has climbed a bit, leading 54-41 with 75% of the population isn't bad. Of course the other 25% is almost 100% Trump, with a smattering of Johnsons.
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The Iron Rose posted:I'm less worried about a terrorist attack killing me than I am about the damage terrorist networks do to american interests worldside, and that, along with foreign policy generally, is my predominant concern in any election. So things like the health system, the economy, gun violence, financial regulation, the environment, fostering an innovative economy, etc simply don't matter to you compared to what some religious extremists do on the other side of the world? I'd be interested in analyzing the rational decision-making process that you employed to reach that... interesting... point of view.
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ReidRansom posted:The last proper secession poll I could find was 2011 and only had 18% support. Even assuming it has climbed a bit, leading 54-41 with 75% of the population isn't bad. Of course the other 25% is almost 100% Trump, with a smattering of Johnsons. I mean superPAC's are completely independant. So some of Hillary's independently run SuperPAC's should just start running Gary Johnson anti Trump stuff in battleground states.
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I'm willing to give Iron Rose the benefit of the doubt in that they didn't say overseas Terrorism was the number 1 concern, just that it's more of a problem than domestic terrorism, since boy howdy if it is you really don't have enough to be worried about. As Ze Pollack said though the American reaction to terrorism had a lot more of a negative effect on us than any actual terrorism, overseas or local, did. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Aug 16, 2016 |
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Aesop Poprock posted:I think they were referring to how for years you'd hear all the time about how terrifying africanized bees were going to be swarming all over north america but they never really moved far beyond the far south There was a Dollop about this recently
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The "well these poors should just die because if they use healthcare it increases my rates" messaging is a little too real for me (especially from doctors) and also concerning since it's not resulting in the horrified reaction it deserves.
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axe_vendetta posted:Interesting point - that fear of terrorism is largely a "white person problem". Whites tend to be more individual- than community-oriented than minorities and suffer higher suicide rates despite achieving higher in almost all other socioeconomic indicators. Last year Angus Deaton, a very famous economist, wrote a very interesting paper about an inexplicable but very significant rise in mortality amongst middle-aged white Americans NYT. Of course putting all white people in the same bucket is a terrible generalization. I would wager, though, that a lot of these disenfranchised white people are Trump supporters. Perhaps rallying around a scapegoat like terrorism and creating new myths of government betrayal is some reaction to their reduced socioeconomic prospects. All I read is a buncha bullshit. When folk be chalking swastikas, spraypainting '9/11 was an inside job', and hosting the flag of hamas outside and within walking distance to synagogue, how else can it be taken other than an attack upon community?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Hillary up 9 points in new NBC poll proving that her convention 'bounce' is the new normal. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-clintons-lead-is-clear-and-steady/ Confirmed by 538. Also  to GOP polls showing that Clinton is still up 4-5 points. They cant even skew the polls enough to show their candidate is even with HRC.
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Radish posted:I'm willing to give Iron Rose the benefit of the doubt
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FCKGW posted:Trump will be the nominee twice on California ballots, for the Republicans and the American independent party Haha doesn't surprise me that this is possible
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Dexo posted:
I'm not sure how to feel about that. Anything that takes away support from Trump is a nominally good thing, but if it were successful enough (probably wouldn't be though) to get him into the debates, the potential tag team factor on Clinton might not be so good. That's assuming Trump isn't a total moron though, so he'd probably just lash out in all directions not realizing Johnson was trying to help.
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Dexo posted:It's probably not far off. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permissive_Action_Link#Development_and_dissemination "For the Minuteman ICBM force, the US Air Force's Strategic Air Command worried that in times of need the codes would not be available, so they quietly decided to set them to 00000000." As others have said, this was merely one in a series of safeguards. Not "a padlock that could be easily cut through" as it was built into the weapon, but not considered to be worth the tradeoff for response speed I guess.
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FCKGW posted:Trump will be the nominee twice on California ballots, for the Republicans and the American independent party The 'angry man’s candidate': George Wallace and the roots of the American Independent Party "Angry white people" sounds pretty familiar. WE MUST FIND OUT WHAT THEY ARE SO ANGRY ABOUT! (it's racism  )
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MacheteZombie posted:Haha doesn't surprise me that this is possible I'm surprised that foll don't copy this strategy in battleground states to try and split off 1 - 3% from candidates.
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Kilroy posted:That's down by one from their previous poll though I am curious as to how this "ideology test" thing is going to play out in the media and with the public, as Trump apparently managed to not poo poo himself during the speech.
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ReidRansom posted:I'm not sure how to feel about that. Anything that takes away support from Trump is a nominally good thing, but if it were successful enough (probably wouldn't be though) to get him into the debates, the potential tag team factor on Clinton might not be so good. That's assuming Trump isn't a total moron though, so he'd probably just lash out in all directions not realizing Johnson was trying to help. Your assumption is unfounded. Anything which takes attention away from Trump, is an enemy to Trump.
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FCKGW posted:Trump will be the nominee twice on California ballots, for the Republicans and the American independent party Does this count electorally as total votes for Trump? Or total votes for Republican Nominee, and then total votes for AIP nominee?
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FCKGW posted:Trump will be the nominee twice on California ballots, for the Republicans and the American independent party Also known for putting up George Wallace in the 1968 election on a segregationist platform. Sounds about right.
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Ruh roh https://mobile.twitter.com/ppppolls/status/765570042658512897?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Iron Rose is a decent Fallout modder so when she says something stupid in D&D I ignore it because now all my guns are properly balanced in Fallout 4.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Your assumption is unfounded. Anything which takes attention away from Trump, is an enemy to Trump. Part of me understands that. The other part keeps trying to apply reason to Trump even though I know it's pointless.
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FairGame posted:Wasn't there some article a few years ago that showed how a bunch of nuclear missile silos had either no password protection or a default password of like "12345" because the people in charge of them had no loving clue or hadn't bothered? Dexo posted:It's probably not far off. The AF had their permissive action links set to 00000000 because doing code management/rotation was perceived (by upper ranks) as leaning too far away from the always/never balance they had struck previously.
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Ze Pollack posted:in their totality, the amount of damage terrorist networks do to American interests worldwide can be summed up as "LOL." Not to defend the other guy, but I'd agree that there's substantial foreign interests tying the US to the Middle East and thus to the efforts of the Daesh and the Taliban, beyond the possibility of terror attacks in the US itself. Destabilization of the supply of oil from the middle east, the suez canal, the rise of opium farming in Afghanistan, the refugee crisis possibly destablising Turkey and Europe, the India-Pakistan nuclear standoff. All of this means that geopolitically the US really does not want the Daesh to win.
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ReidRansom posted:Part of me understands that. The other part keeps trying to apply reason to Trump even though I know it's pointless. You can't reason stupid; you can only shock and awe stupid.
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zoux posted:Ruh roh What was Obama/Romney? edit: Found it! Obama 41 - Romney 57 - Johnson 1 Trump has lost 10 points on the previous nominee in Texas.
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zoux posted:Ruh roh I was hoping for 5% or less, but 6% is promising.
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Fangz posted:Not to defend the other guy, but I'd agree that there's substantial foreign interests tying the US to the Middle East and thus to the efforts of the Daesh and the Taliban, beyond the possibility of terror attacks in the US itself. Destabilization of the supply of oil from the middle east, the suez canal, the rise of opium farming in Afghanistan, the refugee crisis possibly destablising Turkey and Europe, the India-Pakistan nuclear standoff. All of this means that geopolitically the US really does not want the Daesh to win. ISIS is an idea, like the nazis and vietcong were manifestations of inappropriate ideas. You cannot defeat an idea with limited strikes attempting to minimize casualties amongst a host population.
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theflyingorc posted:What was Obama/Romney? R+16 or so And McCain won by 12 in 2008.
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Also it just finally occurred to me that we've got tons of complaints from people going 3rd party that "WE ARENT GIVEN ANY REAL OPTIONS" ...while both major 3rd party candidates are literally the same people they put up in 2012
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