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Ghostlight posted:Her sister is Komand'r And her father is called Myand'r (because he's an indecisive leader who meanders a lot). In the foreword for the NTT Vol. 4 trade, Marv Wolfman seems really proud of the Tamaranian names he came up with.
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So is this series just Bebop and Rocksteady doing donuts on the timesteam with other temporal iterations of themselves? Because I'm okay with it if that's the case.
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Aug 16, 2016 21:38
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Wheat Loaf posted:In the foreword for the NTT Vol. 4 trade, Marv Wolfman seems really proud of the Tamaranian names he came up with. I think he's proud that he got away with it.
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Aug 16, 2016 21:38
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Choco1980 posted:Did...did they just kill their own past selves? The car was destroyed but the past selves survived and got in the other car with their other selves. So there's two sets of them careening through time.
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Aug 16, 2016 22:03
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Lobok posted:The car was destroyed but the past selves survived and got in the other car with their other selves. So there's two sets of them careening through time. It actually looks like both cars had one set of human Bebop & Rocksteady and one set of mutant Bebop & Rocksteady, and one set of the human versions was killed in the crash (you can see Bebop sprawled on the ground and Rocksteady still trapped under the vehicle right before it explodes). But both sets of mutants and one set of humans all end up in the surviving car.
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Aug 16, 2016 22:08
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Wheat Loaf posted:And her father is called Myand'r (because he's an indecisive leader who meanders a lot).
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Ashcans posted:It actually looks like both cars had one set of human Bebop & Rocksteady and one set of mutant Bebop & Rocksteady, and one set of the human versions was killed in the crash (you can see Bebop sprawled on the ground and Rocksteady still trapped under the vehicle right before it explodes). But both sets of mutants and one set of humans all end up in the surviving car. I'm hoping that the reason they're not ripping themselves apart at the atomic level from the sheer paradox of what they're doing is because they're too stupid to understand exactly what they're doing. 
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Aug 16, 2016 22:43
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From the Batman #5 preview http://www.multiversitycomics.com/previews/exclusive-batman-5/  
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Aug 16, 2016 22:45
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Cangelosi posted:
Does she drink all sodas by pouring them over her face?
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Aug 16, 2016 22:52
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dordreff posted:Does she drink all sodas by pouring them over her face? Did you ever try eating soda straight from the package? That stuff is dusty. Always use a spoon.
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Aug 16, 2016 22:56
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BeBop & Rocksteady playing time-travel chicken with themselves is the greatest thing.
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Aug 16, 2016 23:17
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dordreff posted:Does she drink all sodas by pouring them over her face? You know how Wimp Lo was trained to be a bad fighter as a joke? The Teen Titans did that with Starfire, but with social norms.
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Aug 16, 2016 23:44
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Lobok posted:The car was destroyed but the past selves survived and got in the other car with their other selves. So there's two sets of them careening through time. There's definitely a dead human Bebop, and a human Rocksteady trapped under the car in the fourth panel of the second page.
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Aug 16, 2016 23:48
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WickedHate posted:You know how Wimp Lo was trained to be a bad fighter as a joke? The Teen Titans did that with Starfire, but with social norms. I feel like it was something the cartoon really leaned into more than the comics that preceded it - I think it's more of a legacy of the cartoon than anything Marv Wolfman came up with.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I feel like it was something the cartoon really leaned into more than the comics that preceded it - I think it's more of a legacy of the cartoon than anything Marv Wolfman came up with. Yeah, but it's hilarious when used well and makes her more interesting than a generic alien sexpot.
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Aug 16, 2016 23:57
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It is. Marv Wolfman's version of Starfire didn't really have that issue. The recent Starfire series adopted a lot of stuff from the cartoon version since that's what people are more familiar with, and I think it's better for it.
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I've seen panels floating around of Starfire basically being a humongous slut. Is that just unfortunate drawings with edited text, or is it real, and if it is real how does it reconcile with baking soda chugger Starfire?
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AnonSpore posted:I've seen panels floating around of Starfire basically being a humongous slut. Is that just unfortunate drawings with edited text, or is it real, and if it is real how does it reconcile with baking soda chugger Starfire? Real, and I'm pretty sure the answer is "We don't talk about that iteration of Starfire".
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AnonSpore posted:I've seen panels floating around of Starfire basically being a humongous slut. Is that just unfortunate drawings with edited text, or is it real, and if it is real how does it reconcile with baking soda chugger Starfire? Starfire has always been an extremely sex-positive person with no real taboo about nudity, partially because comic wankbait and partially because they were trying to emphasize she was from a weird alien culture. When Nu52 came about a terrible writer decided this meant she had the memory of a goldfish and had sex with everyone because lovely writing. They've since promptly ignored that as much as possible.
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ImpAtom posted:Starfire has always been an extremely sex-positive person with no real taboo about nudity, partially because comic wankbait and partially because they were trying to emphasize she was from a weird alien culture. I'm pretty sure the second part of that is just justification, like the guy who wrote about a future where, incidentally, rape was legal, because it's such a weird setting totally different from us and you just like, don't get it man.
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WickedHate posted:You know how Wimp Lo was trained to be a bad fighter as a joke? The Teen Titans did that with Starfire, but with social norms. Oh yeah? Then try my nuts to your fist style!
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ImpAtom posted:Starfire has always been an extremely sex-positive person with no real taboo about nudity, partially because comic wankbait and partially because they were trying to emphasize she was from a weird alien culture. Yeah, the baking soda eating Starfire still really liked dudes and wasn't shy about it, especially her best human friend in that run's brother. Just in a way that was more focused on her wants and desires than what the men reading wanted. Which happens when you have a woman writer and a female artist.
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WickedHate posted:I'm pretty sure the second part of that is just justification, like the guy who wrote about a future where, incidentally, rape was legal, because it's such a weird setting totally different from us and you just like, don't get it man. No, the old Starfire genuinely had attempts to write someone who was just genuinely innocent. It was an overarching element of the character and was even converted pretty casually into the animated Teen Titans version by playing up the 'strange HU-MAN ways" aspect. There was an undeniable element of wankbait to it as there unfortunately is with a lot of comic characters (And it of course had lots of lovely moments) but still. Like there's no version of Starfire who isn't comfortable with sexuality and nudity and that unavoidably leads to certain kinds of writing from lovely writers but there's a difference none the less.
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I think having a sex-positive superhero like Starfire is pretty great, even if some of it is influenced by wish fulfillment. From what I remember of the New Teen Titans-era, she wasn't, like, just sleeping around with everybody out of boredom, so much as she just had more lax views on intimacy, and highly valued the emotional aspect of it. I remember after Raven basically brainwashed Dick to have feelings for her (the second time she did something like that too), Starfire took her aside for an entire issue and helped her work out the differences between romantic love and platonic love. Scott Lobdell then took that, and made it a really dumb thing about having casual sex with everybody because that's how she remembers people.
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Her first big story arc in NTT is basically about HIVE murdering her boyfriend and then angst between her and Nightwing when he doesn't want to take advantage of her while she's grieving and she can't figure out why he's pulling away. How Lobdell got from there to what he did, I'm baffled by.
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Lurdiak posted:Bebop and Rocksteady Destroy Everything #2 That's amazing. Also, BeBob and Rocksteady were the best parts (the only good parts?) of the most recent TMNT movie. For all its flaws, the movie got those two down perfect
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Alfred being Bruce's stand-in is now my canon no matter if they show it to be Clark or Dick or whoever.
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Choco1980 posted:Did...did they just kill their own past selves? That happens a lot in that story. Captain Bravo posted:I'm hoping that the reason they're not ripping themselves apart at the atomic level from the sheer paradox of what they're doing is because they're too stupid to understand exactly what they're doing. There's a reason it's called Bebop and Rocksteady Destroy Everything. Evil Mastermind posted:So is this series just Bebop and Rocksteady doing donuts on the timesteam with other temporal iterations of themselves? Yes. While the turtles desperately try to stop them collapsing reality. ConfusedUs posted:That's amazing. I didn't see that movie, but the IDW comics have been using them extremely well. The old cartoon had them be so stupid and incompetent that it was just kind of obnoxious, and the CG cartoon has them be completely different characters, but this comic keeps the spirit of these two loving idiots intact while making them lovable, compelling and even scary.  While I think everything about the IDW Turtles comic is great, Bebop and Rocksteady's solo comics might be the best part. I know Destroy Everything is the most fun I've had reading a comic in over a year. E: 
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Yeah, Bebop and Rocksteady Destroy Everything is probably the most fun I've had reading a comic in basically one million years The fact that it's drawn by a murderer's row of great loving artists doesn't hurt, either
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Oh my god this is perfect.
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Forgot to mention, both of those images are from TMNT Villains Micro-series #7: Bebop and Rocksteady.
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Lurdiak posted:
The movie B&R are really close to that first comic. Really close. Down to the excitement about being transformed and the Shredder-worship.
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ConfusedUs posted:The movie B&R are really close to that first comic. Really close. Down to the excitement about being transformed and the Shredder-worship. Yeah, I liked the most recent movie a lot more than the previous one, and B&R were one of the main reasons why. Also, I love the fact that it basically is just a live action version of the animated series (to the point of having a cover of the theme song play over the credits).
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I was always amazed how poorly those movies ended up since Ninja Turtles seemed liked the perfect fit for Bay's form of mindless visual experiences. B&R seem to illustrate that at least.
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Michael Bay's redeeming thematic value comes from his nihilism not his incredible technical prowess, and his production company and gun-for-hire directors don't even have that much to go on. There was no way those movies were going to end up with any sort-of soul.
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So, Mockingbird is still good. I think this is better without context: (Mockingbird #6)
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Tim Sale's Batman #5 cover has some rocking tits:
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drat that's a seriously dislocated shoulder. How do you even do that?
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Batman is a Jojo.
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