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Article looking back on Fantastic 4, mostly interesting for a few details on what was in the original draft of the script: http://screencrush.com/fantastic-four-2015-what-went-wrong/
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:And Green Lantern WB? Rumors from 4chan suggest WB is courting Alfonso Cuaron to direct The Green Lantern Corps. https://twitter.com/GeekPride5/status/765656480250892288 Biggest "holy poo poo if true" for me is New Gods with George Miller directing. That's basically 
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:That moment fell flat for me, just because I thought he was about to use the nukes, and was disappointed when I realized he wasn't. Yes, the *not* using nukes is a vastly more impressive display of power than if he had. He basically accomplishes Shaw's plot from First Class in 2 minutes, and then decides it's beneath him.
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Aug 17, 2016 02:54
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Chairman Capone posted:Article looking back on Fantastic 4, mostly interesting for a few details on what was in the original draft of the script: This is very interesting. Like, it's really obvious to pick out what went wrong with Fantastic Four, but the movie that the screenwriter in this article had written sounded not only incredibly expensive but probably at least two movies long. Squeezing Annihlus, Doom and Mole Man into a movie with the origin story sounds like a lot. I don't think Trank's idea was so terrible, but I also don't think he was quite capable to make it happen. teagone posted:Rumors from 4chan suggest WB is courting Alfonso Cuaron to direct The Green Lantern Corps. I bet very little of this is true. They're gonna let Snyder do Man of Steel 2 if he wants it, and the rest is basically just "Director Mad Libs". Actually, I know Miller has been talking to WB, if Snyder doesn't do Man of Steel 2, I'd bet Miller would be given that one. I also don't buy that a New Gods movie is gonna be a thing, and I think DC is trying to stay away from explicitly connecting any TV shows to the DCCU, especially Titans, which is just something that has been in development for a long rear end time. Yoshifan823 fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Aug 17, 2016 |
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Aug 17, 2016 02:58
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teagone posted:Rumors from 4chan suggest WB is courting Alfonso Cuaron to direct The Green Lantern Corps. It makes sense that they push back Justice League 2 if they're adding another Man of Steel. The next few years are going to be packed though, including the MCU there's like 5-6 comic book movies a year coming out.
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Aug 17, 2016 02:59
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Comic book movies are pretty much the only non-animated and non-horror movies that makes money this year.
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Aug 17, 2016 03:04
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Yoshifan823 posted:They're gonna let Snyder do Man of Steel 2 Yeah, I'm dubious of a long list of directors doing DC properties with Zack Snyder's name nowhere on it.
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Aug 17, 2016 03:14
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Sir Kodiak posted:Yeah, I'm dubious of a long list of directors doing DC properties with Zack Snyder's name nowhere on it. It's coming out a year after Justice League and I think he's doing JL2 already so he'd be kinda busy. That being said, it probably should already be in preproduction if it's supposed to come out in 2018. I'm betting it'd fit more where the Batman film is since Affleck is already working on that. computer parts fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Aug 17, 2016 |
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Aug 17, 2016 03:19
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computer parts posted:It's coming out a year after Justice League and I think he's doing JL2 already so he'd be kinda busy. My comment was taking into account the whole of the list, including that Patty Jenkins is listed as a possibility for Justice League 2, not Snyder.
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Aug 17, 2016 03:22
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David Ayer said he also wanted to direct a Superman movie.
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Aug 17, 2016 03:43
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I don't think I could thing of 3 more radically different directors than the ones listed as being the top contenders for MoS2 if I tried.
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Aug 17, 2016 03:46
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Tim Burton, Tyler Perry, and Roberto Bernini
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Aug 17, 2016 04:20
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Shane Carruth, Tom Hooper, and Nicholas Stoller.
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Aug 17, 2016 04:54
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Lars von Trier, Michael Bay, Seymore Butts.
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Aug 17, 2016 08:52
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TetsuoTW posted:Lars von Trier, Michael Bay, Seymore Butts. Nice try, we all know Lars Von Trier and Seymore Butts are the same person
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Aug 17, 2016 12:55
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Dinesh D'Souza, David Lynch, and Joss Whedon
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Aug 17, 2016 14:12
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The MSJ posted:David Ayer said he also wanted to direct a Superman movie.
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Aug 17, 2016 14:53
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I wonder what the reception of BvS looks like if it's largely similar to the current film but with Batman being played by Christian Bale as a post-TDKR retired Batman who makes his return after MoS. Obviously people liked Affleck and there'd be big tonal/plot/character weirdness to allow that Bruce Wayne to come back, but from a marketing/financial/critic perspective Bale and the TDK movies would've brought along a lot of pre-existing goodwill. It's kinda weird to me how much trouble DC is having winning people over with the Snyder films when the Dark Knight movies were so popular, they don't feel that different to me. If anything, Nolan is more clinical/sterile/cold than Snyder's more vivid comic book-ness. Alternatively, make Birdman even more awesome.  
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Electromax posted:I wonder what the reception of BvS looks like if it's largely similar to the current film but with Batman being played by Christian Bale as a post-TDKR retired Batman who makes his return after MoS. Obviously people liked Affleck and there'd be big tonal/plot/character weirdness to allow that Bruce Wayne to come back, but from a marketing/financial/critic perspective Bale and the TDK movies would've brought along a lot of pre-existing goodwill. It's kinda weird to me how much trouble DC is having winning people over with the Snyder films when the Dark Knight movies were so popular, they don't feel that different to me. If anything, Nolan is more clinical/sterile/cold than Snyder's more vivid comic book-ness. The only negative thing I've heard in BvS about Batman is that he kills* people. People were a little wary about him going into it but him and Wonder Woman were by far the most well received parts of the film. The issue has always been Superman. *Read: Does exactly what Batman does in every other iteration for the past 30 years, but doesn't explicitly say "oh they're just unconscious".
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Aug 17, 2016 15:25
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greatn posted:Tim Burton, Tyler Perry, and Roberto Bernini Yoshifan823 posted:Shane Carruth, Tom Hooper, and Nicholas Stoller. TetsuoTW posted:Lars von Trier, Michael Bay, Seymore Butts. greatn posted:Dinesh D'Souza, David Lynch, and Joss Whedon I expected this to happen and I'm glad it did
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Aug 17, 2016 16:23
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I didn't care for Affleck's Batman much at all but he was definitely one of the better Bruce Waynes.
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Aug 17, 2016 16:25
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computer parts posted:*Read: Does exactly what Batman does in every other iteration for the past 30 years, but doesn't explicitly say "oh they're just unconscious". The problem is that if you read DC comic books from, I dunno, 1990-2010 then you probably read well over a dozen stories that were specifically about how Batman never kills and never uses guns. Entire story arcs that spanned multiple titles were all about how the heroes can never, ever kill anyone. Wonder Woman killed one dude, who absolutely had to die, and it almost resulted in the permanent disbanding of the Justice League. The entire basis behind the character of Huntress is that she doesn't mind using lethal force and Batman will not allow that in his city. The entire Under the Red Hood arc is all about how Batman wouldn't kill the Joker. It's stated outright multiple times in Batman comics that if Batman were to ever kill someone, Gordon would immediately take charge of the task force to hunt Batman down. There's probably well over a dozen panels where Batman rolls up on someone with a gun and gets right in their face and says "I don't like guns" before loving them up. The supremely badass moment in Batman/Superman comics where Batman dons a sword and starts loving up Doomsday clones that aren't technically alive would make no sense if Batman was already lethal. I could go on and on really. Also Bale's Batman is weird. It's fine on the very first viewing of whatever movie, but upon a second viewing you start to notice how garbage he is. For one, that voice sucks but oddly enough it didnt really bother me until someone pointed it out to me. Also it became impossible for me to take anything he says seriously once I noticed that he loving almost never closes his mouth. Poke some loving airholes in the nose, dumbass. SolidSnakesBandana fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Aug 17, 2016 |
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Aug 17, 2016 17:10
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If you read comic books at all, the premise of a different take on a well known character is built right into the concept of superheroes.
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Aug 17, 2016 17:13
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Bale doesn't close his mouth because the suit was too constricting. He's on record saying he physically couldn't breathe through his nose when in suit.
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Aug 17, 2016 17:19
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Detective No. 27 posted:Bale doesn't close his mouth because the suit was too constricting. He's on record saying he physically couldn't breathe through his nose when in suit. Which is something you'd think they fix, unless Nolan was just in love with mouth breathing Batman.
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Aug 17, 2016 17:20
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:The problem is that if you read DC comic books from, I dunno, 1990-2010 then you probably read well over a dozen stories that were specifically about how Batman never kills and never uses guns. Entire story arcs that spanned multiple titles were all about how the heroes can never, ever kill anyone. Wonder Woman killed one dude, who absolutely had to die, and it almost resulted in the permanent disbanding of the Justice League. The entire basis behind the character of Huntress is that she doesn't mind using lethal force and Batman will not allow that in his city. The entire Under the Red Hood arc is all about how Batman wouldn't kill the Joker. It's stated outright multiple times in Batman comics that if Batman were to ever kill someone, Gordon would immediately take charge of the task force to hunt Batman down. There's probably well over a dozen panels where Batman rolls up on someone with a gun and gets right in their face and says "I don't like guns" before loving them up. The supremely badass moment in Batman/Superman comics where Batman dons a sword and starts loving up Doomsday clones that aren't technically alive would make no sense if Batman was already lethal. If there are so many of those stories why do you want yet another one?
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:If you read comic books at all, the premise of a different take on a well known character is built right into the concept of superheroes. Batman has three defining traits in the comics and has for decades: 1) Wear Bat stuff 2) Best martial artist in the entire world 3) No killing. So yeah it is weird when suddenly they deviate for no obvious reason. It's not like Batman killing people in BvS added anything to the movie. In fact since nobody ever mentions the fact that he's doing it just says to me that Zack Snyder never read a comic book in his life. As if he didn't realize the no killing was even a thing. Like for instance I thought the conflict of MoS was about how he had to kill Zod. In the comics, it would have all been about Superman's turmoil at being forced to kill. It would be a huge deal. Then when BvS came out it turns out nobody gave a gently caress about him killing Zod. I know I've talked about how one of Batman's traits is no killing but Superman takes it to another level. He really really really doesn't want to kill anything, ever, for any reason, and will go to excruciating lengths to make sure he does not take life. Tezcatlipoca posted:If there are so many of those stories why do you want yet another one? This is a silly question. Apply it to any other characters. "Do you really want to see the turtles take on Shredder AGAIN?" SolidSnakesBandana fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Aug 17, 2016 |
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Aug 17, 2016 17:24
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I thought he was the World's Greatest Detective too? It's almost like different people have different opinions on what defines "Their Batman" e: and BvS Batman is hardly different than the other movie Batmans when it comes to no killing.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Batman has three defining traits in the comics and has for decades: 1) Wear Bat stuff 2) Best martial artist in the entire world 3) No killing. So yeah it is weird when suddenly they deviate for no obvious reason. It's not like Batman killing people in BvS added anything to the movie. In fact since nobody ever mentions the fact that he's doing it just says to me that Zack Snyder never read a comic book in his life. It isn't sudden. Every live action Batman movie but maybe 3 of them have had Batman kill. It also doesn't go unmentioned. A big part of Batman's storyline is that he's escalated.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEHXMTlIJwM&t=19s
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Aug 17, 2016 17:30
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MacheteZombie posted:I thought he was the World's Greatest Detective too? I wasn't describing "my batman" I was describing the Batman presented to us from over 20 years of comic book/animated media. Sorry I forgot to mention the detective thing, but that would be a silly reason to discount my entire argument. LesterGroans posted:It isn't sudden. Every live action Batman movie but maybe 3 of them have had Batman kill. And it was stupid in each and every one of those movies.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:This is a silly question. Apply it to any other characters. "Do you really want to see the turtles take on Shredder AGAIN?" If I want to see that I have a ton of media to choose from. The first movie is probably the best version we're gonna get. I'd rather see unique takes on the characters than the same poo poo over and over and over.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:I wasn't describing "my batman" I was describing the Batman presented to us from over 20 years of comic book/animated media. Sorry I forgot to mention the detective thing, but that would be a silly reason to discount my entire argument. Why is it stupid there and not stupid to have an arbitrary no killing rule in some(not all) of the comics? If people actually cared about it why are only weirdo comic book elitists the only ones upset about it?
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Aug 17, 2016 17:35
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Tezcatlipoca posted:Why is it stupid there and not stupid to have an arbitrary no killing rule in some(not all) of the comics? If people actually cared about it why are only weirdo comic book elitists the only ones upset about it? The no killing rule is not arbitrary. It's explicitly stated that if the Justice League were to start killing people, the law would have to take them down. Evidently though you're OK with super-powered gods playing judge jury and executioner. The irony of BvS to me is that if Superman had killed as many people as Batman did, Batman would have been right about Superman and justified in taking him down. Only if Superman doesn't kill does it make any sense at all for Batman to be OK with him. edit: vv Tuxedo Catfish posted:The better question is why people like such a cowardly, self-serving fantasy so much, but that's something you could have an actual substantive argument about rather than just asking "why is taste?" Did you just come into the comic book movie thread to insult everyone that likes superhero stories? SolidSnakesBandana fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Aug 17, 2016 |
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Aug 17, 2016 17:41
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Tezcatlipoca posted:If there are so many of those stories why do you want yet another one? Maybe he likes them. The better question is why people like such a cowardly, self-serving fantasy so much, but that's something you could have an actual substantive argument about rather than just asking "why is taste?"
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Batman doesn't kill people, he just doesn't save them.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Did you just come into the comic book movie thread to insult everyone that likes superhero stories? Don't equate your preference for childish violent fantasy with all superhero stories, please.
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I got to hear yesterday over discord chat playing games how Zack Snyder loves Ayn Rand and he doesnt get it and blah blah blah. I guess it's ingrained into these peoples skulls.
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MacheteZombie posted:Batman doesn't kill people, he just doesn't save them. People rag on this but I actually think it's kind of elegant. Note that in Batman Begins, Bruce never says "I will not kill," he says "I will not be an executioner." That's actually a pretty important distinction.
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