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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:they booed Gary Johnson for saying he'd vote for the Civil Rights Act He literally wants facts and figures, this is such a frustrating conversation. Apparently the convention doesn't represent all of them
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Republicans won't nuke the SCOTUS filibuster for the same reason we won't, also because as semi-serious party about governing, we won't force them to do it anyway. A serious party about governing would hold hearings when the President nominates someone to a vacancy on the Supreme Court and ultimately approve or reject the nominee. All of this comity and bipartisan cooperation stuff just falls flat on its face when you remember that we are going to have an eight member SCOTUS for a year. If the Republicans don't want to see the filibuster gone, hold some drat hearings.
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Aug 17, 2016 19:08
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Pakled posted:I'm still kind of concerned that even in a tied senate, the Democrats might not be able to get much done. For one thing, there are more conservative democrats in the Senate than there are liberal/moderate Republicans, and in the current political environment, Republicans face a much heavier opposition from their base for breaking from the party line than Democrats do, so it's probably going to be easier for Republicans to peel off Democratic votes than vice versa. you're not going to buck the party on anything big, least you lose your cushy chairmanships
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Aug 17, 2016 19:10
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I apologize for being vague. It's the end result of what libertarians want in terms of government function and policy, but it's naive on their part to assume small governments will enact progressive social agendas. Especially not with so many state and local governments dogpiled by social conservatives and content to decide rights issues by referendum. To say nothing of what a lack of oversight on business hiring and customer polices would do to minorities.
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Zophar posted:I apologize for being vague. It's the end result of what libertarians want in terms of government function and policy, but it's naive on their part to assume small governments will enact progressive social agendas. Especially not with so many state and local governments dogpiled by social conservatives and content to decide rights issues by referendum. oh, you quoted the wrong post. np
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Aug 17, 2016 19:12
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Ahhhh, Aetna, way to shoot yourselves in the foot. Too bad nothing will happen to you.
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Aug 17, 2016 19:15
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So, basically: go for the 'focus testing' strategy you've accused Clinton of doing? Heh.
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Aug 17, 2016 19:16
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Perhaps Barry Goldwater's record on Civil Rights may be an appropriate comparison? IIRC he wasn't racist himself but opposed the Civil Rights Act on "it's big government!" concerns.
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Aug 17, 2016 19:18
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"Well, when you attacked Khan's mother, your numbers dropped, and when you did it again the next day they dropped again." "So you're saying that the third times's the charm?"
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Aug 17, 2016 19:18
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Sinners Sandwich posted:Did the Mealania Trump shows her US Citizenship event happened? Remember Trump saying there was going to be a show soon No, this hasn't happened. Also "we're gonna do that in a couple weeks" is exactly the sort of thing conmen say to kick the can down the road when they don't want to talk about something.
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Aug 17, 2016 19:20
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Toph Bei Fong posted:Oh, this is a road you can go down with the conspiracy guys for much, much longer than any normal person should care to... 
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Aug 17, 2016 19:20
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Shirec posted:Does anyone have a link to some hard facts about why libertarians are hypocritical jerks? I'm trying to convince a friend they aren't the pro-choice pro-gay freedom party he thinks they are. Come to the libertarian thread. We will be happy to provide the best of the worst for whatever libertarian thinker he talks about.
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Aug 17, 2016 19:21
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Shirec posted:He literally wants facts and figures, this is such a frustrating conversation. Apparently the convention doesn't represent all of them It's always a fuckbarrel when it comes up here, but bring up child porno to see what you're talking to.
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Aug 17, 2016 19:21
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Harrow posted:I'm pretty sure the "Trump has a terminal illness" thing is as much a fever dream as the "Clinton has a terminal illness" thing Have to disagree here. Trump's physical fitness report looks like a really bad con man typed it up on a piece of paper how found in the trash.
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Aug 17, 2016 19:23
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Nessus posted:Given the sheer power and majesty of the blood course that someone (probably Bill Clinton) has laid on the GOP, they'd probably burn Republican ballots on accident I just want to say thanks for making me laugh for like five straight minutes, I really needed that The mental image and sound of Bill Clinton intoning an evil rite (perhaps in a darkened oval office) is just too goddamned funny
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Aug 17, 2016 19:26
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Goon Danton posted:Come to the libertarian thread. We will be happy to provide the best of the worst for whatever libertarian thinker he talks about. Don't contradict yourself it's not good.
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Aug 17, 2016 19:26
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Unzip and Attack posted:Have to disagree here. Trump's physical fitness report looks like a really bad con man typed it up on a piece of paper how found in the trash. Oh, no question about that. I figured it was closer to "Trump is a fat 70-year-old with a poor diet and nothing even remotely close to an exercise routine" rather than "Trump is literally dying of a terminal illness," though. He's sure as poo poo not a healthy man.
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Aug 17, 2016 19:28
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Shirec posted:Does anyone have a link to some hard facts about why libertarians are hypocritical jerks? I'm trying to convince a friend they aren't the pro-choice pro-gay freedom party he thinks they are. Because they're not pro-choice or pro-gay. They in principle shouldn't oppose those things, but most libertarians support the 'ideology' (using that very generously) because they want to be anti-gay or anti-choice or anti-black and they want the government to not regulate against them doing so. And if you look around the Internet they also don't even want to hear that people who disagree exist, that women or black men or trans people exist, and desperately need the very safe spaces they like to decry.
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Aug 17, 2016 19:33
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Shirec posted:He literally wants facts and figures, this is such a frustrating conversation. Apparently the convention doesn't represent all of them you really can't rationally argue someone out of an opinion, especially since there's no objective response to "is the libertarian party of usa insincere" libertarian ideology covers a broad range of stances and it's pretty easy for people to mask their true intentions behind freedom rhetoric, like ron paul's latent racism was hidden behind "government doesn't have the right to force me to serve people i dont want to serve" ask them "should it be illegal to own child porn"
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Aug 17, 2016 19:36
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How. How does Donald Trump's campaign keep getting more and more hosed. This shouldn't even be possible. Are they shooting for single-digits in the electoral college?
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Aug 17, 2016 19:37
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Augus posted:How. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/08/17/donald_trump_s_pivots_resets_interventions_a_timeline_of_failure.html
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Shirec posted:He literally wants facts and figures, this is such a frustrating conversation. Apparently the convention doesn't represent all of them Here is an article on the Mises Institute's website defending Ebaneezer Scrooge as the hero of the story. Part of the problem with arguing with a libertarian, is that on their face, their party platform isn't so bad. The issue comes when you actually think about the implications. Private control of all natural resources and energy supply, with no regulation is a terrifying prospect, once you consider that to even do business with them you would need to agree to their terms, or not have power/water/etc. Those terms are (as per the libertarian party platform) whatever the owner/company/corporation sees fit. They could be anything from "No blacks" to "must sign 50% of your income to participate." Your only recourse, according to the Libertarian platform, would be to boycott or ostrocize the business. Difficult, when you consider water/power/other essential services.
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Aug 17, 2016 19:38
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Augus posted:How. It's like golf: you want a lower score. You see, the electoral college is run by the establishment, so if you get fewer electoral votes, that means the establishment really hates you, which means you're the perfect president and the real winner.
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OddObserver posted:Perhaps Barry Goldwater's record on Civil Rights may be an appropriate comparison? IIRC he wasn't racist himself but opposed the Civil Rights Act on "it's big government!" concerns. Oddly enough the libertarian types that argue this only seem to make their strong line in the sand stand against big government on the civil rights act, instead of other laws that aren't explicitly designed to positively impact minorities.
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Aug 17, 2016 19:42
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Wild guess which flag is in this guy's background. (I'll give you a hint, it's not the flag of the country he probably claims to love)
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Aug 17, 2016 19:47
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https://twitter.com/GideonResnick/status/765982311988989952 I can't believe I was ever worried about this guy
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Talmonis posted:Here is an article on the Mises Institute's website defending Ebaneezer Scrooge as the hero of the story. This is maybe my favorite article of all time regarding the implications of libertarian/ancap policies. http://redmoonrising.com/libjourney.htm
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Talmonis posted:Here is an article on the Mises Institute's website defending Ebaneezer Scrooge as the hero of the story. Mister Adequate posted:Because they're not pro-choice or pro-gay. They in principle shouldn't oppose those things, but most libertarians support the 'ideology' (using that very generously) because they want to be anti-gay or anti-choice or anti-black and they want the government to not regulate against them doing so. And if you look around the Internet they also don't even want to hear that people who disagree exist, that women or black men or trans people exist, and desperately need the very safe spaces they like to decry. Popular Thug Drink posted:you really can't rationally argue someone out of an opinion, especially since there's no objective response to "is the libertarian party of usa insincere" Yes, this exactly! I tried telling them that no, I didn't have the statistics of how many assholes are libertarian in front of me, but I've been following politics long enough that I know this.Thank you for the article, I'm now just dumping all the links in a google doc to send later. I think the main reason why he is so up his rear end about it is because I called them monsters and idiots. He isn't a jerk, he's pretty liberal but he gets on these kicks where I have to refute him with sourced and empirically tested data, which is frustrating as gently caress. Goon Danton posted:Come to the libertarian thread. We will be happy to provide the best of the worst for whatever libertarian thinker he talks about.  I'm scared to see how far the rabbit hole goes, but I'm saving all the articles for later. Thank you!
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The Rokstar posted:This is maybe my favorite article of all time regarding the implications of libertarian/ancap policies. Here's mine
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Shirec posted:Yes, this exactly! I tried telling them that no, I didn't have the statistics of how many assholes are libertarian in front of me, but I've been following politics long enough that I know this.Thank you for the article, I'm now just dumping all the links in a google doc to send later. I think the main reason why he is so up his rear end about it is because I called them monsters and idiots. He isn't a jerk, he's pretty liberal but he gets on these kicks where I have to refute him with sourced and empirically tested data, which is frustrating as gently caress. a healthy social relationship should not be subject to peer review, friend
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Aug 17, 2016 19:52
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/GideonResnick/status/765982311988989952 Not that I care about Manafort's comfort, but boy he must have been just miserable throughout the whole campaign. I'd have been glad to get fired.
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Aug 17, 2016 19:51
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Spiritus Nox posted:Not that I care about Manafort's comfort, but boy he must have been just miserable throughout the whole campaign. I'd have been glad to get fired. These are old, but it sounds like he gave up weeks ago. https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/760633940151443457/ https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/760644265584300032
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Aug 17, 2016 19:54
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Libertarians think Roger Ailes was just offering all those women he sexually harassed a legitimate business opportunity which they were free to take or reject.
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Aug 17, 2016 19:55
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I missed the past 10 or so pages of the thread and now I'm seeing all these posts about Manafort in the past tense, so I went and looked it up and hahahahahaha this loving election is the gift that keeps on giving.
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Aug 17, 2016 19:55
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Pakled posted:These are old, but it sounds like he gave up weeks ago. Basically this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrQcNwsjVEQ
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Aug 17, 2016 19:56
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Hahahaha. Everyone in the thread thinks it's fake and it probably is. It's TOO perfect in every way. The bowtie killed me.
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Aug 17, 2016 19:57
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JeffersonClay posted:Libertarians think Roger Ailes was just offering all those women he sexually harassed a legitimate business opportunity which they were free to take or reject. He's a job creator. Hand, blow, all the jobs.
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Aetna CEO To Justice Department: Block Our Deal And We'll Drop Out Of Obamacare
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Shirec posted:Does anyone have a link to some hard facts about why libertarians are hypocritical jerks? I'm trying to convince a friend they aren't the pro-choice pro-gay freedom party he thinks they are. It's long and some hardcore ones will have already seen it, but here's my go to for debunking libertarianism http://raikoth.net/libertarian.html
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